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Saw 2

post #1 of 57
10/19/05 at 11:16pm
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Anyone interested? The first was ok but I think they can really turn this into a Final Destination type franchise if they focus on unique and interesting ways to kill people and plenty of gore.
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post #2 of 57
10/19/05 at 11:18pm
Saw is one of the worst atrocities inflicted upon cinema in recent memory.
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post #3 of 57
10/19/05 at 11:58pm
Agree with Helix--the first one's premise could have been interesting, but it was a horribly plotted, horribly acted piece of shit. The sequel looks like a cheap cash in on the alarmingly large number of people who thought the original was incredible. It's crazy how many people on campus thought Saw was scary. One guy said it was better than Seven, and he's in the freakin' RTV department!
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post #4 of 57
10/20/05 at 1:07am
I thought it was disapointing too. The last couple of minutes were Interesting. I thought I somehow teleported to a different theater showing a different movie.

I will see Saw 2 in theaters though. I get in free, so its not like I have anything to lose, except two hours of my life... eh, I would have wasted it anyway.
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post #5 of 57
10/20/05 at 3:25pm
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Saw was far better than High Tension that's for sure but not nearly as good as people made it out to be. Still for a first effort I think it was decent and like I said the premise could be turned into something interesting. Guess we'll see.
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post #6 of 57
10/20/05 at 3:39pm
Yeah Saw wasn't the pinnacle of horror movies for sure but it was a fun little flick that I enjoyed alot. It wasn't "scary" per se, but it was clever.

Saw 2 on the other hand - I have my doubts about. It does feel like a rushed cash-in, made even more apparent by the appearance of Shawnee Smith, which just looks like a maneuver to have at least one familiar face from the first. I'm curious to see how that's going to make sense.

Plus, Beverly Mitchell's in the cast and I've had a thing for her for awhile.
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post #7 of 57
10/20/05 at 4:05pm
Saw was Seven without the tension, and all the thrills of a bad Marilyn Manson video.
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post #8 of 57
10/20/05 at 4:21pm
Funny thing is I agree with all of that but still enjoyed it. It was a nifty little concept, even if it wasn't executed all that well. I definitely recognize its flaws, but I don't see it as an atrocity. I don't even see it as a bad movie. I think one of the problems was the hype. Pre-release, people were talking this thing up like it was the second coming of the Horror genre and obviously that much hype is going to hurt it. It definitely wasn't worth all the buzz that it got but if you just watch it for what it is, (A first-time effort by some independent filmmakers) it isn't bad at all.

I won't go out on a limb and say I loved it, but I can definitely think of films that were far worse.

Edited to say I hope Saw 2 doesn't end up being one of those films.
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post #9 of 57
10/20/05 at 4:23pm
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Originally Posted by Floydian_Trip
Saw was far better than High Tension that's for sure but not nearly as good as people made it out to be. Still for a first effort I think it was decent and like I said the premise could be turned into something interesting. Guess we'll see.
Them be fightin' words. High Tension may have lost points for its final 10 minutes but all in all it was vastly superior to the shitefest that was Saw...
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post #10 of 57
10/20/05 at 4:26pm
I went into the movie knowing very little, was seriously creeped out by it, and enjoyed it in spite of the flaws more than I did Seven (which I still don't get the love for). Saw II looks good. Don't know if I'll go see it our not.
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post #11 of 57
10/20/05 at 6:10pm
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall
Them be fightin' words. High Tension may have lost points for its final 10 minutes but all in all it was vastly superior to the shitefest that was Saw...

Indeed.

I don't understand how any mentally abled person could consider SAW anything less than crushingly stupid.
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post #12 of 57
10/20/05 at 6:28pm
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Originally Posted by fabfunk
Indeed.

I don't understand how any mentally abled person could consider SAW anything less than crushingly stupid.
Really? What was THAT bad about it? I mean yeah I can see people not liking it but atrocity? Crushingly stupid? What did I miss?
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post #13 of 57
10/20/05 at 6:58pm
It's a miserable pile of movie. It's badly acted, badly written, surprisingly shock free, pretty much ball-less, poorly shot, poorly directed, brainless, witless, humorless and utterly devoid of merit. High Tension's "twist" might've ruined the movie, but there was at least something THERE to ruin. Saw was dead on arrival.
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post #14 of 57
10/20/05 at 7:01pm
Well there ya go. Apparently I'm not "mentally abled." Who knew? lol

Ah well, I'm not ashamed to like it, and I do agree with you guys on High tension. Great film up until the twist, and the twist wouldn't have been so bad if it were executed a little better.
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post #15 of 57
10/20/05 at 7:34pm
HIGH TENSION was a great adaptation of Donald Kaufman's THE THREE. Still don't know why they pussied out and didn't make her the victim, too.

SAW, for me, was hampered by a truly terrible performance by the screenwriter. He made Cary Elwes look competent. And an engineless script. And some truly baffling character motivations. By the time they got the the fast-motion car chase, I was lost to it. And then the fast-motion car chase pretty much ended it for me.
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post #16 of 57
10/20/05 at 8:02pm
I really disliked Saw (though I found it excellent for comic relief).

Saw II is disgusting and - most important - entertaining. You know how most sequels attempt to one-up the original? This movie actually does, by quite a bit.
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post #17 of 57
10/20/05 at 8:06pm
It didn't really have much of a bar to raise.
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post #18 of 57
10/20/05 at 8:09pm
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette
It didn't really have much of a bar to raise.
True...
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post #19 of 57
10/20/05 at 8:10pm
Actually, I don't think the bar was even there. The sequel must have had to set the bar up before it could raise it. The original just left it on the floor and walked away.
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post #20 of 57
10/21/05 at 9:33pm
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Nobody's gonna get an argument out of me that Saw was any better than anyone here claims I just found it to be more interesting than most independant films and I watch quite a few of them. Open Water was a horrible, boring shitfest yet got rave reviews from not just critics but many horror fans and I found Saw to be much more enjoyable than that.

Guess I brought High Tension in here myself and didn't mean to start another discussion on that one. God knows it doesn't deserve it. But man did that movie suck from beginning to end. You guys are easily entertained by a couple nice gore shots and ugly women.
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post #21 of 57
10/21/05 at 10:18pm
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Originally Posted by Floydian_Trip of the Distant Past
focus on unique and interesting ways to kill people and plenty of gore.
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Originally Posted by Floydian_Trip of Today
You guys are easily entertained by a couple nice gore shots and ugly women.
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Originally Posted by Floydian_Trip in another thread
The worst part is that the masturbating scene would have been great had she been a hot lesbian but an ugly one does nothing for me. Had the chicks been hot I might have enjoyed it a little more.
The defense rests, your honor.
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post #22 of 57
10/21/05 at 11:18pm
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Heh, what are you trying to say.
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post #23 of 57
10/24/05 at 2:29pm
Perhaps, that your comments sound like a 14-year-old IMDB poster?
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post #24 of 57
10/24/05 at 8:08pm
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Originally Posted by birdie
Perhaps, that your comments sound like a 14-year-old IMDB poster?
Bingo.
"Saw" had a intersting premise, but aside from a little bondage action with Shawnee Smith and Monica Potter the whole thing was a disaster.
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post #25 of 57
10/25/05 at 2:52pm
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Oh come on now. It's sarcasm. Guess I'm no good at it. Saw 2 is the only horror movie coming out for what the rest of the year? I'm trying to hold onto hope that it's worth seeing in theatres. This year has been horrible so my expectations for anything decent are very low.
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post #26 of 57
10/26/05 at 12:31am
I'm seeing Saw 2 ads all over the main page, even in the film reel! What's going on?
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post #27 of 57
10/26/05 at 2:23am
This thread shows why my esteem for Millette continues to rise while my esteem for Capt. continues to decline.
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post #28 of 57
10/26/05 at 10:13am
Did someone say SAW was better than SE7EN?
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post #29 of 57
10/26/05 at 10:57am
I said I enjoyed it more than I did Seven, which isn't the same thing. Seven is a better movie but I didn't get as much enjoyment out of it. Does that make sense?
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post #30 of 57
10/26/05 at 10:59am
No.
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post #31 of 57
10/26/05 at 1:31pm
Well then I'm not sure I can explain it to you. I recognize the flaws in Saw, but it was fun when I watched it. Those same flaws did not exist in Seven (making it technically a "better" movie), but I did not enjoy it. Blame it on hype I suppose since it was chock full of actors I enjoy in other movies. It just didn't really interest me.
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post #32 of 57
10/26/05 at 1:33pm
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Originally Posted by Charlie Brigden
No.
Give me a break.
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post #33 of 57
10/26/05 at 1:35pm
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This isn't the same good old CC from the Butane and Rotten days.
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post #34 of 57
10/26/05 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by Matt Goldberg
This thread shows why my esteem for Millette continues to rise while my esteem for Capt. continues to decline.
The fact that you held any esteem for me at all means you just haven't been paying any attention.
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post #35 of 57
10/26/05 at 2:27pm
Seven vs. Saw is the new Batman vs. Doom.
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post #36 of 57
10/26/05 at 2:40pm
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Originally Posted by Floydian_Trip
This isn't the same good old CC from the Butane and Rotten days.
Hey, man we're working on it. Give us time.
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post #37 of 57
10/26/05 at 2:56pm
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Originally Posted by Tindalos
Hey, man we're working on it. Give us time.
No, not the site Tindalos. I know you guys are going to bring back respectability to the Creature Corner. I was referring to the forum. There's basically noone left from those days when this forum was the best forum on the internet dedicated to horror. These guys seem to be from CHUD and they bring their seriousness along with them. This is horror you have to lighten up a bit. I'd hate to see a discussion about Lucio Fulci films on here now.
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post #38 of 57
10/26/05 at 2:59pm
Charlie and I have always posted pretty regularly in this here forum. I do agree though, we need to lighten up a bit.
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post #39 of 57
10/26/05 at 2:59pm
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Originally Posted by Tindalos
Hey, man we're working on it. Give us time.
Youse guys are already making this sight a milllion times better than it was in the between times.
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post #40 of 57
10/26/05 at 3:07pm
Never mention the between times.
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post #41 of 57
10/27/05 at 12:30am
Although i was greatly dissapointed with Saw 1, I think it may have been the best marketted horror movie in a while. The marketing may be the only thing that saved it. Lots of "normals" thought it was scary and clever, and that's enough to make money. The second one looks like every bad horror movie ever made, but people will go see it because it's called SAW II. I've noticed some clever marketing surrounding the sequel, but notrhing like the original marketing.
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post #42 of 57
10/27/05 at 8:08am
I'm sorry, Floydian_Trip, but no amount of "lightening up" makes Saw a good movie in any fashion. It's terrible. You're either too easy to please, or you have bad taste, period. It's not even good AS a brainless horror movie.
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post #43 of 57
10/27/05 at 11:04am
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette
I'm sorry, Floydian_Trip, but no amount of "lightening up" makes Saw a good movie in any fashion. It's terrible. You're either too easy to please, or you have bad taste, period. It's not even good AS a brainless horror movie.
Trust me I have good taste really. I'm not easy to please either. I hated Saw on the first viewing like everyone else but after watching this years line up of horror movies just got beaten down and decided, upon a second viewing, that it was a good idea just poorly executed.

The idea of a killer devising these traps for people to get out of in various grizzly ways is a really good one which if used effectively, i.e. remove the cops from the story and focus on the killer and his actions and actually so some good gore and death scenes, it could be an enjoyable series. Much like Fulci flicks where the only redeeming factors are the gore, best eye piercings ever, and zombie shark wrestling or the aformentioned Final Destination films which is simply one interesting death scene after another and quite entertaining to watch.

I can live without a plot as long as I get to see some entrails.
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post #44 of 57
10/27/05 at 11:12am
I think THE BEYOND has slightly more redeeming factors than the gore.
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post #45 of 57
10/27/05 at 11:12am
So you have bad taste and are easy to please. We get it already.
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post #46 of 57
10/27/05 at 11:40am
Remind me never to show Millette my Friday The 13th threads in Reader Reviews.
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post #47 of 57
10/27/05 at 11:45am
See me after class, Bob.
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post #48 of 57
10/27/05 at 11:54am
I've heard several people who've seen the film say its a step-up from the first SAW, even people who didn't like it.

Still, I wouldn't expect to see me there opening weekend.
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post #49 of 57
10/27/05 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by Floydian_Trip
You guys are easily entertained by a couple nice gore shots and ugly women.
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Originally Posted by Floydian_Trip
I can live without a plot as long as I get to see some entrails.
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Originally Posted by Floydian_Trip
I'd hate to see a discussion about Lucio Fulci films on here now.
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Originally Posted by Floydian_Trip
Much like Fulci flicks where the only redeeming factors are the gore, best eye piercings ever, and zombie shark wrestling...
I have no idea what point you're trying to make, but comments like this...

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Originally Posted by Floydian_Trip
These guys seem to be from CHUD and they bring their seriousness along with them. This is horror you have to lighten up a bit.
...annoy the tits off me.
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post #50 of 57
10/27/05 at 1:43pm
Look at Dan, all bitin' my style.
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