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Originally Posted by General Zod
Halloween was a much bigger hit is why it's gets the real credit. The slasher genre didn't really take off until then.
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Originally Posted by General Zod
Halloween was a much bigger hit is why it's gets the real credit. The slasher genre didn't really take off until then.
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Originally Posted by CaptainZahn
Wait, how did Silent Night, Bloody Night inspire Black Christmas? Didn't they come out at pretty much the same time? Was SN, BN's script floating around for a few years before or something?
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Originally Posted by Chris Myers
You consider Near Dark horror? Horror like The Thing or Halloween?
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Originally Posted by Sacrilicious Supersucker
[NEAR DARK] may be the best modern spin on the vampire mythology and the only one that truly crosses the span between showing vampires as the monsters they once were viewed exclusively as and the romanticized, lonely victims that Anne Rice and White Wolf have turned them into.
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Originally Posted by Sacrilicious Supersucker
I will also defend Audition to the death and the criticism that it gets incoherent is one that I find ludicrous. Audition is, perhaps, the most deliberately paced and scripted film that Miike has ever done and the one where he reels it in for the sake of the story by far.
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Originally Posted by Sacrilicious Supersucker
As Chris said, the first two-thirds are fairly standard and tame, even though Miike's commentary on the pervasive lonliness of Japanese society and the evolution of women's roles in Japan (not to mention how vast the generational gap in that country can be) is very carefully layed out.
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Originally Posted by Sacrilicious Supersucker
I didn't find anything confusing about Audition at all and if there are a few things that seem off putting or full of questions, they are easily rectified by a subsequent viewing and some thought on what you've just watched.
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Originally Posted by Sacrilicious Supersucker
All I can say is, if you found Audition incoherent, don't even bother trying to watch anything else Miike has done. Audition is actually as mainstream as Miike has ever done.
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Originally Posted by Beautiful Nightmare
*telling my age* I saw THE EXORCIST when it was first released, was it the first horror movie I had seen? No. Was it the first that scared me? You bet. The reason? I was only a couple of years younger than Reagan and if something like that could happen to such a sweet, innocent girl like that, what was to keep it from happening to me?
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Originally Posted by GeneJacket
Perhaps its beacuse of the crude effects, or the fact that religion has never been a factor in my life, but I genuinely do not understand why so many people list this film as one of the "best" today.
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Originally Posted by S.P. Collier
Then why don't you guide me through the "Oh no, she's really nuts!" montage near the close of the film, starting with the moment when Shigeharu discovers he's been drugged and falls to the carpet. Please enlighten me as to exactly what is meant to be real, Shigeharu's dream, Shigeharu's hallucination, Shigeharu's sixth sense, or a mix of both his and Asami's? How does he even know what Asami's apartment looks like? Or is the scene with the puke and the dog bowl not supposed to be from his point-of-view? What is it? From my impression of the DVD commentary, not even Miike has a clear idea. Irrelevant. I don't mind ambiguity if the boundaries of the story as it pertains to logic and character perspective are firmly established and the writer/director is consistent with them. If there's a lack of consistency, then it becomes incoherent. . |
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Banks is my hero
Is that to say you were 10 years old the first time you saw THE EXORCIST? Wow, good for you, man. That would've put me in therapy for a few years.
I think the reason why it pops up on various lists of classic horror films is a matter of interpretation. Everyone responds to horror differently for different reasons. That's more about thematic elements or thinks like effects, like you're getting at. Having said that, there is a reason why it should pop up on the list of the very best films, and that's because of how well it's made, from top to bottom. Friedkin's direction, the performances, the sound design, Blatty's script, Owen Roizman's photography, the use of Georgetown, all of these things combine to make THE EXORCIST the masterpiece it is. So you may not respond to it as viscerally as many others, but it's the real deal. IMHO, compared with the other stalwarts of the genre, it belongs in any and every discussion of the best horror films ever made. |
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Originally Posted by Vaya the Necromancer
Rather than make a new thread, I'll just post this here, it seems fitting...
Boston.com's 50 Scarriest movies I am pretty happy with teh list, kinda agreew ith most of it, am meh about some, totally in agreement about Number 1! |
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Originally Posted by Vaya the Necromancer
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Originally Posted by General Zod
I was going to call bullshit on that article, but damn, they impressed with their mentioning of The Blob remake and The Thing at #1. Although, they are boobs for putting Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory on the list. I've seen that flick over a dozen times since I was five and never once did I get scared, except maybe those grandparents sleeping four to a bed. *shiver*
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| Despite some interesting selections, any list that includes "Blair Witch 2" and "Arachnophobia" is immediatly suspect. And War of the worlds, Willy Wonka, Videodrome and Altered States belong no where near this type of list. |
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Originally Posted by Chris Myers
The scene with the magic chairs always makes me smile.
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Originally Posted by Mattioli
Speaking of which, does anyone know how they accomplished this effect? It's a single unedited shot where Jobeth Williams pushes the chairs in around the dinner table, walks over to the sink, and looks back to find some wacky chair stacking. It's probably as simple as some union dudes marched onto the set while the camera panned away and removed the furniture, replacing it with the pre-stacked set. But I'm curious nonetheless.
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Banks is my hero
I think the reason why it pops up on various lists of classic horror films is a matter of interpretation. Everyone responds to horror differently for different reasons. That's more about thematic elements or thinks like effects, like you're getting at.
Having said that, there is a reason why it should pop up on the list of the very best films, and that's because of how well it's made, from top to bottom. Friedkin's direction, the performances, the sound design, Blatty's script, Owen Roizman's photography, the use of Georgetown, all of these things combine to make THE EXORCIST the masterpiece it is. So you may not respond to it as viscerally as many others, but it's the real deal. IMHO, compared with the other stalwarts of the genre, it belongs in any and every discussion of the best horror films ever made. |
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Originally Posted by Death Surge
Despite some interesting selections, any list that includes "Blair Witch 2" and "Arachnophobia" is immediatly suspect. And War of the worlds, Willy Wonka, Videodrome and Altered States belong no where near this type of list.
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Originally Posted by Beautiful Nightmare
*telling my age* I saw THE EXORCIST when it was first released, was it the first horror movie I had seen? No. Was it the first that scared me? You bet. The reason? I was only a couple of years younger than Reagan and if something like that could happen to such a sweet, innocent girl like that, what was to keep it from happening to me?
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Originally Posted by S.P. Collier
Egads! My thoughts exactly.
Of course, if he really wanted to be thorough, he would've gone farther back to April 1974 and acknowledged Theodore Gershuny's SILENT NIGHT, BLOODY NIGHT, which inspired BLACK CHRISTMAS. Or even farther back to give props to Bava's TWITCH OF THE DEATH NERVE (1971), which inspired at least one of the FRIDAY THE 13TH movies. Oh, but I almost forgot -- as it regards TWITCH, General Zod thinks the Europeans "suck" at this sort of thing. Riiiiiiiight. |
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Originally Posted by General Zod
Exactly. All great films, but none that I would call any type of scary. Arachnophobia is thriller I guess? War of the Worlds is science-fiction, Willy Wonka/fantasy, both Videodrome and Altered States are sci-fi/thriller. Blair Witch 2 is just crap.
Take all of those off and you got a decent list. I don't see any of those flicks creeping people out, except for Videodrome with the tv that you can fuck. Only because I could see myself owning one of those. |
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Originally Posted by CaptainZahn
Nice to see someone mention Don't Look Now. However, I'm kind of surprised no one's listed The Innocents yet.
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8
DARKMITE8's Top 13 Horror/Comedies
1. Gremlins 1 & 2 2. Shaun of the Dead 3. Evil Dead Trilogy 4. Amer WW in London 5. Dead Alive 6. Slither 7. Young Frankenstein 8. Ghostbusters 9. Little Shop of Horrors (Frank Oz) 10. Beetlejuice 11. Frighteners 12. Nightmare B4 Xmas & Corpse Bride 13. Fred Dekker Double Feature: Night of the Creeps/Monster Squad |
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Originally Posted by S.P. Collier
The problem with this list is that you have more interesting movies down in "honorable mention" and "almost made it."
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Originally Posted by DARKMITE8
You might see them as safe (or uninteresting). I see them as comforting (like Star Wars or Raiders).
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Originally Posted by Straxboy - An Anthony Hickox Film
I'll bite. And I'm taking 13 with me since I don't post as often as I should and I'm cashing in:
Battle Royale (2002) Dir: Kinji Fukasaku It's almost totally on face value that this picture works, and on the ironies which that face value throws up and the conflicts it creates that means it pulsates with subtext and emotion. The heartfelt plea by the father "You can do it" isn't cheesy. It's an aching plea for optimism in a child from an adult to save himself (in the classroom; in the game should he be picked; in life). It's aching. And the 'secret to the smile' at the end -- Fukasaku pulled Douglas Sirk into the ring with Verhoeven and created magic. It contains all this and it's a genre film. That's grandness, right there. The Blob (1988) Dir: Chuck Russell A monster movie to rule a decade. The sterling efforts of Russell, Frank Darabont meld to create one of the single greatest deaths in the modern horror film involving a sink. As invigorating as Night Of The Creeps with more genuine verve and high concept audacity than any Emmerich pseudo-b-picture picture could dream of. Curse Of The Demon (1957) Dir: Jacques Tourneur Questionable appearance of the creature aside, this combines palm-dampening dread, fiendish plotting and a raft of superb character acting to produce a British picture every bit as chilling as The Wicker Man with the same gothic panache Tourneur effortlessly elicited for his Val Lewton pictures. Candyman (1992) Dir: Bernard Rose Terror by daylight is a menacing prospect for filmmakers (if not always the audience) but Bernard Rose takes off from his Paperhouse into the heady realms of the Barkerian mind fuck. And old fashioned spook story done with exquisite taste and intelligence The Exorcist III (1990) Dir: William Peter Blatty It's been said already, but the greatest cinematic shock since Cat People is but one facet of this deeply troubling, deftly written and compellingly performed follow-up that just seems less forced than the still superb original. The Fly (1986) Dir: David Cronenberg The best remake of all time. This has the upper hand on The Thing purely by virtue of it superb realisation as a tragically dramatic chamber piece as well as a stark horror film. The most perfect distillation of Cronenberg's passionate cause for the parasite and body politic to date. Don't Look Now (1972) Dir: Nicholas Roeg One of the saddest picture ever made. It oozes tragic fatalism and tremulous unease throughout every lovingly shot frame, from the wrenching opening through the emotionally charged love scenes and menacing, always enclosing Venice streets to the truly shocking climax. The Fog (1980) Dir: John Carpenter I find this his most purely visual picture and it makes so much more of an impact because if it. Cinematographer Dean Cundey was at the top of game here and it shows in every crepuscular frame and striking composition. Inferno (1980) Dir: Dario Argento The flickering light sequence composed to a stuttering Verdi is one of Argento's most unnerving. This is his most lovingly encapsulated vision of a fever dream, succumbing to neither the pure stylistic excess of Suspiria nor that awe-inspiring narrative trickery of Deep Red, his other two finest pictures. Keith Emerson's score seals it. Jacob's Ladder (1990) Dir: Adrian Lyne My personal favourite picture of all time, it's got everything: pathos, tragedy, comedy, romance, unnerving terror, terrific performances, dazzling imagination and a pure soul raging beneath the evocation of hell on earth. Night Of The Hunter (1955) Dir: Charles Laughton Shock Corridor DoP Stanley Cortez here makes Laughton's only directorial outing look like a delirious fairy tale sprung right off the page. Swimming with tremendously fantastical imagery straight from the kid'- eye-view of the traumatic situation unfolding, it trumps even Cape Fear's incarnation of pure, devilry and menace. Waxwork (1988) Dir: Anthony Hickox As witty, vibrant and outlandish as his father's Theater Of Blood, Hickox Jnr's debut is as pleasurable as B Movies get, packed to the gills with enough ideas for 10 pictures, great f/x gags, over-the-top performances and a lush look and sound that throws back to the great exploitation of Hammer, Tigon and Amicus. It beats anything Stephen Sommers has tried or perhaps thought of since. The Changeling (1979) Dir: Peter Medak Long before The Ring (though a long time after Onibaba and the great ghost pictures of the 60s, like Black Sabbath), Medak's picture melded scarifying sound and vision so simply that it made the dread evoked seem almost effortless. Even a limp and fiery climax can't dispel the impact of the attic room, the séance and that clanging bathtub. |
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Originally Posted by General Zod
My list doesn't involve being scared, you have to be a retarded 5 y/o girl to be scared of any movie, just movies that are good at what they intend to do, except for Chainsaw, *shivers*.
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Originally Posted by General Zod
Wes Craven's Hills sucks. Both versions. Sorry, but it's not scary, Chainsaw is vastly superior.
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Originally Posted by S.P. Collier
Actually, I agree with quite a few of them -- but I would never favor something like James Gunn's SLITHER over Polanski and THE FEARLESS VAMPIRE KILLERS. One man's opinion, of course.
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Originally Posted by General Zod
I thought I was the only one that loved The Blob remake.
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Originally Posted by teledork
You know, for the most part I'd agree with you. Right up until the part where the local priest looks at Regan and sees his dead mother....and the demon just looks at him and you can feel the crushing weight of guilt just blowing through most of his defenses. That was the truly frightening thing to me....the ability of the thing to *know*....and make use of...one's deepest weaknesses.
The rest of the movie was, to me, a textbook on how to set the scares up and pay them off. THAT little scene was just fucking evil. |

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Originally Posted by the pot.
just bumpn the awesomeness of this thread
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Originally Posted by General Zod
How many Ghoulies are there? I stopped counting after 4 I think?
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Originally Posted by Xagarath Ankor
Why?
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