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Netflix Settlement

post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Got this in an email from Netflix yesterday:

www.netflixsettlement.com

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Settlement of Frank Chavez v. Netflix, Inc. Class Action

Welcome to the registration website for the settlement of the class action lawsuit entitled Frank Chavez v. Netflix, Inc., filed in the San Francisco Superior Court, Case No. CGC-04-434884. This site provides links to documents relating to the settlement and to the Claim Form Process.

This site provides the following information:

* Important Dates and Information, including court filing deadlines;
* The Summary Notice of Class Action Settlement that you may have received by email
* The Long Form Notice of Class Action and Proposed Settlement that describes the case and the rights of Class Members;
* A list of Frequently Asked Questions regarding the case.
* A copy of the Settlement Agreement.
* A link to the revised Netflix Terms of Use.

To register for the settlement, click here and complete the information requested in the Claim Form Process.

The Claim Form Process must be completed by any Class Members wishing to receive the settlement benefit, and the information provided there will be used to confirm eligibility and issue the settlement benefit.
I signed up and got this message:

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Thank you for completing the Claim Form Process. We will notify you at your email address when the Class Benefit becomes available to eligible Class Members following the Effective Date. As described in the Settlement Agreement, the Effective Date depends on such factors as the pendency of any appeals and is therefore difficult to predict.
We'll see where this leads.
post #2 of 27
Utterly frivolous. If a customer feels that NetFlix isn't doing what it says on the tin, it's time to move on to another provider. End.
post #3 of 27
What did NetFlix not do that they were supposed to do?
post #4 of 27
I'm sure it's in the detailed report, but I can't be bothered to read that. It makes my brain melt.
post #5 of 27
From what I can gather, people believe their high-turnover accounts are being 'limited' by Netflix. Instead of sending their next disc the moment the last one arrives at the warehouse, people are finding items shipping (gasp!) the next day.
post #6 of 27
Google "Netlfix throttling". Some say that Netflix withholds shipments on those customers whose movie return rate seems unusually speedy. You know, the folks who copy their rental DVDs immediately upon receipt, and ship them back the next day.
post #7 of 27
I got this and deleted it. I'm not signing up. I go through periods of high turnover (I averaged 20 movies a month for a few months) and I only rarely had any sort of delay in shipment.

I think this suit is silly, and their response is sufficently gracious and limiting at the same time: The payoff is that you get a month of upgraded membership (4 movies out at a time, rather than 3) but then you have to request that they switch it back, or you get billed at the higher rate after the first month.
post #8 of 27
Thread Starter 
I wasn't sure what the payout would be since I'm not a member anymore.

Settlement doesn't make me want to sign up. I just wanted to see what they would send back.
post #9 of 27
I got an e-mail yesterday, they're basically offering everyone a free month of service, even if you're no longer a member.
post #10 of 27
Hmmm, they offered me a free one month upgrade in service, not a free month of the service I already have.

In any case, this is a totally stupid lawsuit. Deleted it.
post #11 of 27
This is ridiculous. Let's find this Frank Chavez and give him a Chewer beatdown.
post #12 of 27
Yeah, it's a free month if you're no longer a member, and a free month of upgraded service if you're already a member. I'm not going to do it either. I'm on BB.com, but mainly because I was getting free movie coupons to use at the B&M stores as well. I only watch 2-3 of the rentals per month anyway.
post #13 of 27
4 movies instead of 3 for a one month period. So, if I took part in this, I could have 4 movies sitting at home unwatched instead of three? Sign me up.
post #14 of 27
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Originally Posted by Joe LeFors
This is ridiculous. Let's find this Frank Chavez and give him a Chewer beatdown.
Seriously. This is money Netflix could be using towards increasing it's inventory of new releases. Very Long Wait for Hitchhikers Guide!
post #15 of 27
What really sucks about it is the dude who sued netflix got a couple grand but his lawyers made like two million. Why is it illegal to shoot lawyers? There's enough of them. There should be a season for it, like bear hunting season except unlike bears lawyers deserve it.
post #16 of 27
I didn't do it because at the end of the upgrade month, they leave you at the upgraded level indefinitely unless you change it, so they are planning to make back some of that lost revenue from people who don't pay attention to that kind of thing. That's the first underhanded thing I've experienced from Netflix.

It's not worth the trouble.
post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by billz
...they are planning to make back some of that lost revenue from people who don't pay attention to that kind of thing. That's the first underhanded thing I've experienced from Netflix.
I think that's great, because anyone participating in this is trying to get something for nothing anyway. One good screw deserves another.

How did CEREBUS put it? 'Unorthodox economic revenge. Hisss.'
post #18 of 27
Well, I don't agree with the lawsuit, but it is a little bit sneaky to offer a settlement that sets up consumers to unwittingly sign up for a higher priced service. Again, those are consumers who don't pay enough attention to the terms, so it's their fault if they let it go. I can't see many people bothering with a one month upgrade anyway.
post #19 of 27

It's in the news again...

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SAN FRANCISCO - Manuel Villanueva realizes he has been getting a pretty good deal since he signed up for Netflix Inc.'s online DVD rental service 2 1/2 years ago, but he still feels shortchanged. That's because the $17.99 monthly fee that he pays to rent up to three DVDs at a time would amount to an even bigger bargain if the company didn't penalize him for returning his movies so quickly.

Netflix typically sends about 13 movies per month to Villanueva's home in Warren, Mich. — down from the 18 to 22 DVDs he once received before the company's automated system identified him as a heavy renter and began delaying his shipments to protect its profits.

The same Netflix formula also shoves Villanueva to the back of the line for the most-wanted DVDs, so the service can send those popular flicks to new subscribers and infrequent renters.

The little-known practice, called "throttling" by critics, means Netflix customers who pay the same price for the same service are often treated differently, depending on their rental patterns.

"I wouldn't have a problem with it if they didn't advertise `unlimited rentals,'" Villanueva said. "The fact is that they go out of their way to make sure you don't go over whatever secret limit they have set up for your account."

Los Gatos, Calif.-based Netflix didn't publicly acknowledge it differentiates among customers until revising its "terms of use" in January 2005 — four months after a San Francisco subscriber filed a class-action lawsuit alleging that the company had deceptively promised one-day delivery of most DVDs.

"In determining priority for shipping and inventory allocation, we give priority to those members who receive the fewest DVDs through our service," Netflix's revised policy now reads. The statement specifically warns that heavy renters are more likely to encounter shipping delays and less likely to immediately be sent their top choices.

Few customers have complained about this "fairness algorithm," according to Netflix CEO Reed Hastings.

"We have unbelievably high customer satisfaction ratings," Hastings said during a recent interview. "Most of our customers feel like Netflix is an incredible value."

The service's rapid growth supports his thesis. Netflix added nearly 1.6 million customers last year, giving it 4.2 million subscribers through December. During the final three months of 2005, just 4 percent of its customers canceled the service, the lowest rate in the company's six-year history.

After collecting consumer opinions about the Web's 40 largest retailers last year, Ann Arbor, Mich., research firm ForeSeeResults rated Netflix as "the cream of the crop in customer satisfaction."

Once considered a passing fancy, Netflix has changed the way many households rent movies and spawned several copycats, including a mail service from Blockbuster Inc.

Netflix's most popular rental plan lets subscribers check out up to three DVDs at a time for $17.99 per month. After watching a movie, customers return the DVD in a postage-paid envelope. Netflix then sends out the next available DVD on the customer's online wish list.

Because everyone pays a flat fee, Netflix makes more money from customers who only watch four or five DVDs per month. Customers who quickly return their movies in order to get more erode the company's profit margin because each DVD sent out and returned costs 78 cents in postage alone.

Although Netflix consistently promoted its service as the DVD equivalent of an all-you-can eat smorgasbord, some heavy renters began to suspect they were being treated differently two or three years ago.

To prove the point, one customer even set up a Web site — http://www.dvd-rent-test.dreamhost.com — to show that the service listed different wait times for DVDs requested by subscribers living in the same household.

Netflix's throttling techniques have also prompted incensed customers to share their outrage in online forums such as http://www.hackingnetflix.com.

"Netflix isn't well within its rights to throttle users," complained a customer identified as "annoyed" in a posting on the site. "They say unlimited rentals. They are liars."

Hastings said the company has no specified limit on rentals, but "`unlimited' doesn't mean you should expect to get 10,000 a month."

In its terms of use, Netflix says most subscribers check out two to 11 DVDs per month.

Management has previously acknowledged to analysts that it risks losing money on a relatively small percentage of frequent renters. The risk has increased since Netflix reduced the price of its most popular subscription plan by $4 per month in 2004 and the U.S. Postal Service recently raised first-class mailing costs by 2 cents.

Netflix's approach has paid off so far. The company has been profitable in each of the past three years, a trend its management expects to continue in 2006 with projected earnings of at least $29 million on revenue of $960 million. Netflix's stock price has more than tripled since its 2002 initial public offering.

A September 2004 lawsuit cast a spotlight on the throttling issue. The complaint, filed by Frank Chavez on behalf of all Netflix subscribers before Jan. 15, 2005, said the company had developed a sophisticated formula to slow down DVD deliveries to frequent renters and ensure quicker shipments of the most popular movies to its infrequent — and most profitable — renters to keep them happy.

Netflix denied the allegations, but eventually revised its terms of use to acknowledge its different treatment of frequent renters.

Without acknowledging wrongdoing, the company agreed to provide a one-month rental upgrade and pay Chavez's attorneys $2.5 million, but the settlement sparked protests that prompted the two sides to reconsider. A hearing on a revised settlement proposal is scheduled for Feb. 22 in San Francisco Superior Court.

Netflix subscribers such as Nathaniel Irons didn't believe the company was purposely delaying some DVD shipments until he read the revised terms of use.

Irons, 28, of Seattle, has no plans to cancel his service because he figures he is still getting a good value from the eight movies he typically receives each month.

"My own personal experience has not been bad," he said, "but (the throttling) is certainly annoying when it happens."
Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060211/...lix_throttling
post #20 of 27
Netflix is love. Damn anyone who would jeopardize their goodwill.
post #21 of 27
I haven't had any real problems with Netflix. I've been a member since 1999 and currently have one-day turn around times. I will admit though that while I don't have new releases on my list that often, when I do they are always a "very long wait". I had "40 Year Old Virgin" saved in my queue while it was in the theaters because I just didn't have time to see it. The day it was released, it said "very long wait" and I have since deleted it from my queue becuase I just got tired of waiting for it and just went out and bought the DVD sight unseen.
post #22 of 27
Netflix has its quirks. But its such a great service that I can't complain. Personally, I don't need more that 12-15 DVDs a month anyways, but if I was in film school...

Thankfully, I live near an awesome video store just in case I want something at that moment. I feel bad going in there sometimes because they're very cool to me and yet probably have figured out that I have a Netflix membership. At least the place is still busy, unlike the Blockbuster up the street.
post #23 of 27
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Originally Posted by Joe LeFors
This is ridiculous. Let's find this Frank Chavez and give him a Chewer beatdown.

What's the fucking problem? Netflix is running false marketing (unlimited rental a month) and shortchanging their customers. If they don't like people who are renting alot, then raise the fucking monthly fee.
post #24 of 27
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Originally Posted by Nelson
What's the fucking problem? Netflix is running false marketing (unlimited rental a month) and shortchanging their customers. If they don't like people who are renting alot, then raise the fucking monthly fee.
Exactly.
post #25 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Black
What really sucks about it is the dude who sued netflix got a couple grand but his lawyers made like two million. Why is it illegal to shoot lawyers? There's enough of them. There should be a season for it, like bear hunting season except unlike bears lawyers deserve it.
Yeah! And what's the deal with airplane food? Huh?
post #26 of 27
I rent a wide range of titles, though most of the New Releases I get immediately, as I tend to rent the more alternative films than the blockbusters.
post #27 of 27
This stuff is why i dropped my Netflix account. They actually were slowing down the shipments of my movies, so that instead of a 2 day turnaround, it was like 5 days. It's more cost effective now to get $1 rentals at Movie Gallery, and between the two different stores that are both within 2 minutes from my apartment, the selection is pretty good.
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