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BENTONVILLE, Ark. - It looked like a crime scene, but no charges will be filed after Wayne Goldsberry killed a buck with his bare hands in his daughter's bedroom. The engagement lasted an exhausting 40 minutes, but Goldsberry finally subdued the five-point whitetail deer that crashed through a bedroom window at his daughter's home Friday.

When it was over, blood splattered the walls and the deer lay on the bedroom floor, its neck broken.

Goldsberry was at his daughter's home when he heard glass breaking. He went back to check on the noise and found the deer.

"I was standing about like this peeking around the corner when the deer came out of the bedroom," said Goldsberry, demonstrating while peering around his kitchen wall. The deer ran down the hall and into the master bedroom — "jumping back and forth across the bed."

"I could tell he was really tearing up the place back there," Goldsberry said.

Goldsberry entered the bedroom to confront the deer and, after a brief struggle, emerged to tell his wife to call police. After returning to the bedroom, the fight continued. Goldsberry finally was able to grip the animal and twist its neck, killing it.

"He was trying to get up a corner wall and I just came in behind him and grabbed him by the horns and just started pushing down," said Goldsberry.

Goldsberry, sore from the struggle, dragged the dead animal out of the house.

Benton County Sheriff Keith Ferguson said that when he arrived he found the deer dead in the front yard. Goldsberry intended to have the deer processed for its meat.
I don't understand why no charges will be made. This guy snapped the animal's neck when he could have opened a door and shooed the deer out. Or he could have closed the bedroom door and waited for animal control to subdue the deer with a tranq or something. A few destroyed personal items does not justify taking a life.
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bentonville....you bring so much joy to all forms of life. always.
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Holy shit! You'd have to be one tough hombre to kill a buck with you bare hands. My hat's off to this guy!
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While it takes a nutty man to attempt to fight a deer, you can't blame him for not sitting there and watch this animal run rampant through his house. Those things can cause serious damage.

If hunting deer is legal, then why would it be illegal to kill one that's fucking up your house?
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Dude's got some stones. If you can kill a deer with your bare hands, why not?
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Why couldn't he give the pwerty wittle deer a kiss and just let him go out the door.

Fuck, some people. If an animal is cornered it will tear shit up, including you. I'd like to put a deer in your room and let it tear everything to shit while you're sitting outside the door wringing your hands waiting for the deer to understand itself and apologize to you.
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I thought this was going to be an article about Small forward/Shooting guard Michael Redd meeting his maker.

PS. Diva...nevermind
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That deers life was more important than a messed up bedroom, I can't believe that his first reaction was to kill it.

It isn't like it wanted to be in there, something pretty weird must have happened to make it run into a window.
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Is deer demolishing covered by home insurance? If not (I really have no idea) should he just sit there counting up all of the money he's going to have to pay up while the deer destroys his bedroom? Or were you personally going to give him the money to pay for the damages?
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It's not like he want to cut out the gall bladder and chuck the carcass. This is a zillion times more ethical than buying factory farmed meat — or vegetables for that matter.
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While I am not a hunter or an advocate of violence, I have a feeling that if I was in that situation I would probably go in with a baseball bat (screw that bare hands stuff) and go all Al Pacino in The Untouchables on the deer.

When presented in a situation like that your adrenline rushes, you have no idea what is happening. All you know is that you must protect your family and your property. It is instinct, same as what the deer is going through.

While it is a shame that the deer died, I have no problem with what the guy did.
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Originally Posted by Brian Wehman
While I am not a hunter or an advocate of violence, I have a feeling that if I was in that situation I would probably go in with a baseball bat (screw that bare hands stuff) and go all Al Pacino in The Untouchables on the deer.
Pacino...in Untouchables. It's ok for a 40 something soccer mom from midwest shite town number 43 to confuse Deniro and Pacino...but you sir....I would hide from the oncoming onslaught. Take preserves with you...no not strawberry...peach...thank you.

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Originally Posted by Werewolf Girl
That deers life was more important than a messed up bedroom, I can't believe that his first reaction was to kill it.

It isn't like it wanted to be in there, something pretty weird must have happened to make it run into a window.
You're just jealous that a white tail buck hasn't come crashing through YOUR bedroom window.
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Is deer demolishing covered by home insurance? If not (I really have no idea) should he just sit there counting up all of the money he's going to have to pay up while the deer destroys his bedroom? Or were you personally going to give him the money to pay for the damages?
If he had closed the door and waited a few seconds it would have calmed down and he could have waited for the police or animal control to remove it. The damage to the bedroom was already done, killing the animal was completely unnecessary.
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Originally Posted by Electrichead
Why couldn't he give the pwerty wittle deer a kiss and just let him go out the door.

Fuck, some people. If an animal is cornered it will tear shit up, including you. I'd like to put a deer in your room and let it tear everything to shit while you're sitting outside the door wringing your hands waiting for the deer to understand itself and apologize to you.
The man wrestled a deer! Either he didn't think the deer was that dangerous or he stupidly risked his own life over some property damage. Personally, I don't think a dresser and end table is worth dying for.

The second part of the article...

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On Monday in Pine Bluff, the principal of Coleman Elementary School rid his building of a deer by opening a door. Students were preparing for dismissal Monday when a deer crashed through a window and bounded through a hallway.

The buck floundered on the school's slick floor for about three minutes exiting via a door along the side of a hallway. Principal Bill Tietz said the deer was slightly injured from the glass and lost an antler. Tietz says the animal leapt a six-foot fence after leaving the school.
Other people in the town didn't feel the need to murder innocent animals that got lost on their property.

It gets me that people think the animal is in the wrong for trespassing. Humans cut down forests and clear land to build property without thinking about the animals that call the land home. The deer wasn't trying to attack anyone. It got lost and needed to find a way out. Killing should be a last resort, not the first.
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Originally Posted by Werewolf Girl
If he had closed the door and waited a few seconds it would have calmed down and he could have waited for the police or animal control to remove it. The damage to the bedroom was already done, killing the animal was completely unnecessary.
How do you know the damage was already done or how much damage the man saved with his actions?

And a deer isn't going to calm down after being locked into a strange, confined space. It was already in the room for 'a few seconds', and it just proceeded to break shit (which is natural).

The police didn't get there until after the man had killed it, and dragged it out onto the lawn. Considering we're talking at least 10 minutes, how much more damage should he have just accepted?
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Originally Posted by kingcujoI
Pacino...in Untouchables. It's ok for a 40 something soccer mom from midwest shite town number 43 to confuse Deniro and Pacino...but you sir....I would hide from the oncoming onslaught. Take preserves with you...no not strawberry...peach...thank you.
OMG... This is what I get for working and reading CHUD at the same time. I knew someday this would happen. Who must I turn my geek card in to? More importanly, how do I get it back? Is being involved in a L.A.R.P enough? Must I project The Big Lebowski onto moving semis so more people see it? Can I take a road trip to Pittsburgh just to see landmarks from the "Dead" movies?

I am so sorry... *bows head in shame*
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Originally Posted by Diva

It gets me that people think the animal is in the wrong for trespassing. Humans cut down forests and clear land to build property without thinking about the animals that call the land home. The deer wasn't trying to attack anyone. It got lost and needed to find a way out. Killing should be a last resort, not the first.
Ferngully 3: The Quest for Diva's Deer

(Changed from Ferngully 3: Steve Martin Punches Your Balls Off)

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Originally Posted by Brian Wehman
OMG... This is what I get for working and reading CHUD at the same time. I knew someday this would happen. Who must I turn my geek card in to? More importanly, how do I get it back? Is being involved in a L.A.R.P enough? Must I project The Big Lebowski onto moving semis so more people see it? Can I take a road trip to Pittsburgh just to see landmarks from the "Dead" movies?
I think the proper move would be to get AWAY from the L.A.R.P. activities sir. Everything else is thumbs up though.
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Originally Posted by Diva
The man wrestled a deer! Either he didn't think the deer was that dangerous or he stupidly risked his own life over some property damage. Personally, I don't think a dresser and end table is worth dying for.

The second part of the article...



Other people in the town didn't feel the need to murder innocent animals that got lost on their property.

It gets me that people think the animal is in the wrong for trespassing. Humans cut down forests and clear land to build property without thinking about the animals that call the land home. The deer wasn't trying to attack anyone. It got lost and needed to find a way out. Killing should be a last resort, not the first.
A school isn't 'their property'. I don't think the principal owns the school, nor would he have to pay for the damages.

The animal isn't 'wrong', because it doesn't really understand right or wrong. Deer are killed every day for sport and for food. This guy killed one because it was fucking up his daughter's house, but he should be arrested? Please.
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Arrested? No. But fined, community service, anger management classes... something. I believe killing for sport is wrong. Period. This guy totally overreacted and what he did was inhumane. Its not acceptable behavior IMO.
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
How do you know the damage was already done or how much damage the man saved with his actions?

And a deer isn't going to calm down after being locked into a strange, confined space. It was already in the room for 'a few seconds', and it just proceeded to break shit (which is natural).

The police didn't get there until after the man had killed it, and dragged it out onto the lawn. Considering we're talking at least 10 minutes, how much more damage should he have just accepted?
You weren't there either man, your guess is as good as mine.

But neck snapping shouldn't have been his first reaction. He could have waited for help, or, if the damage the deer was causing was really severe, he could have guided or dragged the animal out. They were on the first floor, and if the guy was strong enough to tackle and kill it he should have been strong enough to get it out of the house. As I said, most of the damage was already done, a compassionate and sane person would be willing to put up with a little more if it meant you'd be able to save a life.
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Originally Posted by Diva
Arrested? No. But fined, community service, anger management classes... something. I believe killing for sport is wrong. Period. This guy totally overreacted and what he did was inhumane. Its not acceptable behavior IMO.
What if he killed a rat? Or even a Republican? I bet you wouldn't be so righteous then.
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So, not only should he pay for the damages to his house, we should levy a fine on him for not sitting there while it happened.

As Adam Warren was getting at, this is about as humane a death a buck could have at the hands of a human.

How the shit do you know he has anger problems? Because he killed a deer? Are you actually just using this to try and inflate the pocketbooks of shrinks even more?
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I demand a deer trial.
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Originally Posted by Werewolf Girl
You weren't there either man, your guess is as good as mine.

But neck snapping shouldn't have been his first reaction. He could have waited for help, or, if the damage the deer was causing was really severe, he could have guided or dragged the animal out. They were on the first floor, and if the guy was strong enough to tackle and kill it he should have been strong enough to get it out of the house. As I said, most of the damage was already done, a compassionate and sane person would be willing to put up with a little more if it meant you'd be able to save a life.
Guide and drag a live deer. Right.

Again, you have NO IDEA how much they put up with. None. You don't know how much damage was caused. I doubt yourself or PETA would have showed up and paid for the damage to the house had he just let it do its thing. Or for the medical bills (funeral bills?) of trying to drag a frightened deer out of a house.

He got leverage on the thing & it allowed him to take action. That doesn't mean he could have carried it out of the house.
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Stressed, trapped deer are very dangerous. Wild bucks kill hundreds of people every year. Chances are if he had tried to "shoo" it out of the house it might have gored him or one of his family members.

Frankly, when a 250 pound animal bursts into your house, it's not a real unreasonable action to try and kill it.
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I think rats are cute and I would never make a martyr out of a Republican. In all seriousness, I don't condone killing, except in the case of food, and as a last resort, for self-protection. It's just plain wrong, whether it be a human or an animal.

Guttenberg: I agree that he didn't break the law. I just think snapping an animal's neck with his bare hands when it didn't have to be killed at all says something about the man's character. Obviously, this is in disagreement with the majority of people who say killing the animal was necessary.

*Edit: I take back the comment about the man's character. It was a tense situation and he did what he thought he had to do. I shouldn't judge him based on that one action. However, killing is just something I'll never agree is the right thing to do, with the exceptions I listed above.
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I am against cruelty to animals, but I admit I like my Venison.
Some of the threads here are bordering on PETA silly/
I love Michael Moore's statement that although he thinks people who are cruel to animals are scum, everytime he hears a PETA spokesman, he feels like going home and kicking his dog.
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Originally Posted by Werbal_Kint
it might have gored him
I think it did. Original story said walls were splattered with blood. Blood doesn't spatter when all you do is break a neck. It was probably the man's blood. So yeah, go on and try to "guide" a huge, panicked deer out of your house. Make sure you leave a will.
post #29 of 212
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How come everytime someone defends animals they bring up PETA? That's like saying crazy, religious Christian fanatics are representaive of the entire religion.
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I think it did. Original story said walls were splattered with blood. Blood doesn't spatter when all you do is break a neck. It was probably the man's blood. So yeah, go on and try to "guide" a huge, panicked deer out of your house. Make sure you leave a will.
The guy wouldn't have been gored if he didn't try and wrestle the freakin' thing!
post #31 of 212
Think of it this way... he was just recouping his losses with fresh, mouthwatering deer meat. Might not cover a broken window (let alone whatever various other damages were incurred), but 100 lbs of fresh meat could feed a man for quite awhile.

Aren't deer in season now?? If so, couldn't he have just let it out into the yard and then shot it? See, nice law abiding citizen that way.
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You have to consider the situation. There was a wild animal freaking out in his daughter's house. If he had just left it be the deer could have bounded out of the room and attacked someone in the house.

So why not just close the door? Depending on how big the door was and how well built the house was that might not have done any good.

How do we know the deer didn't cause some damage to himself crashing through the window? Glass could have cut into an artery and the deer could have been suffering. It may have been a mercy killing (intentional or otherwise).

Main point is - the man acted out of an instinctual need to protect himself, his family and his property. You're acting like he walked up to a cute little bunny sitting in the forest and just snapped his neck.
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Originally Posted by JGButler
You have to consider the situation. There was a wild animal freaking out in his daughter's house. If he had just left it be the deer could have bounded out of the room and attacked someone in the house.

So why not just close the door? Depending on how big the door was and how well built the house was that might not have done any good.

How do we know the deer didn't cause some damage to himself crashing through the window? Glass could have cut into an artery and the deer could have been suffering. It may have been a mercy killing (intentional or otherwise).

Main point is - the man acted out of an instinctual need to protect himself, his family and his property. You're acting like he walked up to a cute little bunny sitting in the forest and just snapped his neck.
We don't know anything other than what the reports tell us. No one's denying the man wanted to protect himself, I just have yet to read any justfication why killing the deer was necessary. The guy says he peered around the kitchen corner and saw a deer dash into the bedroom and heard it jumping on the bed. His reaction was to run into the bedroom and wrestle the animal for 40 minutes. That probably caused more property damage than the 10 minutes it would have taken for the police to get there. Without knowing any details about the deer (size, weight, etc.), I just don't see justification for killing it.

And another article reports the man did not get gored. "He got kicked several times," Deputy Doug Gay said. "He was walking bowlegged for awhile."
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Originally Posted by Diva
Without knowing any details about the deer (size, weight, etc.), I just don't see justification for killing it.
You're right about that. There's no way for any of us to know what really happened. But that works both ways - you use it to counter every one else's points but it counters yours too. So quit criminalizing the guy. This is one of those situations in which you really shouldn't lay judgement because you don't know how you'd react in the same situation.
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ain point is - the man acted out of an instinctual need to protect himself, his family and his property. You're acting like he walked up to a cute little bunny sitting in the forest and just snapped his neck.
I think this is main point of the argument. This man was not hunting deer (granted he may, but it is not important to the story), he was not be stupid and killing animals for fun - he did what he felt he had to do in a bizarre situation.

It's got nothing to do with PETA (I agree with Diva, just because someone doesn't like animals getting hurt is no need to associate them with PETA), or hippies or even political affiliation.

It was a odd and rare situation that the guy handled the best he could, IMO. I don't think he deserves a fine, jail, or anything else. The animal (while it doesn't know any better) went into his (or his daughters) house and needed to be removed. It sounds like he had a pretty rough fight with the thing, who knows, maybe he tried to drag first and it was going no where so he decided to kill it. You don't know and none of us will.

It's just unfortunate. Same as when you see deer or dogs and such dead on the side of the highway. It stinks that they were hit by a car, but it just happens.
post #36 of 212
I hope the guy's a hunter. At least he'd get to keep the meat.
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Y'all are being awfully presumptuous... what if that deer entered for the expressed purpose of fucking shit up?

I would have put that deer down, TEXAS JUSTICE-style. You enter my house, prepare for pain. I'll take you to the blood bank!
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Originally Posted by JGButler
You're right about that. There's no way for any of us to know what really happened. But that works both ways - you use it to counter every one else's points but it counters yours too. So quit criminalizing the guy. This is one of those situations in which you really shouldn't lay judgement because you don't know how you'd react in the same situation.
Read my comments several posts up. I criticized myself for judging his character. But I stand by my comments that I think killing is wrong. And further, that killing in this situation seems wrong, barring information that proves otherwise.

I know for a fact I would not wrestle a deer and snap it's neck.
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I hope the guy's a hunter. At least he'd get to keep the meat.
Would he not be able to keep it regardless?
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Originally Posted by Diva
Read my comments several posts up. I criticized myself for judging his character. But I stand by my comments that I think killing is wrong.
Is this ALL killing or is this a selective stance?
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Originally Posted by Brian Wehman
It's just unfortunate. Same as when you see deer or dogs and such dead on the side of the highway. It stinks that they were hit by a car, but it just happens.
The situations are not comparable. A car going 50+ mph cannot swerve to miss a deer in the road because a) it'd probably hit the deer anyway and b) you'd put the passenger's life in danger by either crashing off road, or worse, going into head on traffic. This situation is indeed unfortuante, but there's not really any other option than to hit it straight on and hope it dies quickly.

While the deer in the house was a nuisance and quite possibly a phsyical threat (I'm not convinced that it was yet), there were options other than killing. They obviously weren't options the man liked (ie., closing the door and risking property damage), but the options were there none the less.
post #42 of 212
It's mating season for deer. So clearly it was after his daughter.
He actions were quite justified.
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Originally Posted by Diva
I know for a fact I could not wrestle a deer and snap it's neck.
Fixed that for ya. Face it Deev, you're just jealous.

Deer can be a serious menace to crops and people. They live to mess things up. Personally I would've gone Psycho on it, selecting my largest butcher knife. Odds are this guys just got done watching Raw and was ready to lay the smack down. Thankfully it was a deer and not his wife. Although this being Arkansas, the deer could have been a jealous ex.
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Originally Posted by Capt. Eucalyptus
Fixed that for ya. Face it Deev, you're just jealous.
You mean I can't wrestle a bear and win? I guess watching all those Walker, Texas Ranger episodes got my hopes up. Fuck you, Chuck Norris! :P
post #45 of 212
I find it hard to believe there's a house, er, trailer in Arkansas that didn't have a gun. That's the real issue here. Get this family a gun STAT!
post #46 of 212
OK, two things:

First of all, killing an animal is not "murder." You can't be punished for killing one, unless it's legally protected somehow, and even then you'd only be subject to a fine. Deer hardly qualified as protected in any way. Let's just get that straightened out.

Second, we're getting so caught up in the ethics of this guy killing the deer that we're not recognizing how fucking amazing it is that it actually happened. Bucks are very big, and very strong. This guy fought with one in close quarters and killed it with his bare hands! HOLY SHIT.
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Second, we're getting so caught up in the ethics of this guy killing the deer that we're not recognizing how fucking amazing it is that it actually happened. Bucks are very big, and very strong. This guy fought with one in close quarters and killed it with his bare hands! HOLY SHIT.
The man was over 200 pounds, so depending on the size of the deer he probably wasn't too outmatched. And while I recognize this was an amazing show of strength, I don't think it should be celebrated.
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Originally Posted by Joe LeFors
Bucks are very big, and very strong. This guy fought with one in close quarters and killed it with his bare hands! HOLY SHIT.

Well hold on now. Maybe it was:

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Originally Posted by Diva
I don't understand why no charges will be made. This guy snapped the animal's neck when he could have opened a door and shooed the deer out. Or he could have closed the bedroom door and waited for animal control to subdue the deer with a tranq or something. A few destroyed personal items does not justify taking a life.
You've obviously never lived in a place that has deer and know nothing of the law in those places. Charges???

Those who speak of funerals are correct. A full grown, horned, male buck can cause a lot of damage, both to property and people. Think of that scene in Tommy Boy. That's fairly accurate. I'm sure Goldsberry didn't want his daughter to resemble David Spade's car. There's no guiding a full grown, large, confused animal like that. You can let it go on and on and on, or you can make it stop. If it was dumb enough to jump through a window, who knows how long it would have gone on?

In such places, be it Arkansas or near my parent's central California home (yes, there are deer in California), deer are like vermin. Very Large Vermin. Rodents of Unusual Size. There is no shortage of them.

You can argue up and down that the man's daughter built her home on the deer's land, but I'm willing to bet this wouldn't bother you if you were told that 200 years ago a native American did them same thing after it tore up his Sioux tipi. And like the Native Americans, the man is going to make use of it, not discard it like waste.

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Originally Posted by Capt. Eucalyptus
Deer can be a serious menace to crops and people. They live to mess things up.
The Captain's right. Deer exist mostly to be pretty and be food for bigger animals.

There is no shortage of deer in this country, and this one will probably not be missed.

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Originally Posted by Diva
In all seriousness, I don't condone killing, except in the case of food, and as a last resort, for self-protection. It's just plain wrong, whether it be a human or an animal.
Your beliefs about killing have nothing to do with the Law. The Law has nothing to say about this, and if it did, were I serving on the jury, I'd let it go.
post #50 of 212
A five-point buck would easily top 300 pounds, and it's not just the weight advantage, but the strength advantage (not to mention the fact that the deer has weapons attached to its head). I wouldn't necessarily say that I'm celebrating this guy's achievement, but I'm definitely impressed.
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