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post #51 of 212
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Originally Posted by Diva
The man was over 200 pounds, so depending on the size of the deer he probably wasn't too outmatched.
You obviously don't understand how badass a buck can be. Any human being would be outmatched in hand to hand combat with a goddamn buck.
post #52 of 212
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Originally Posted by Capt. Eucalyptus
Personally I would've gone Psycho on it, selecting my largest butcher knife.
I know you're a large man, but if I were a betting man (and I am), in a battle between yourself with a six inch knife, and a buck, I'll take the furry(er) animal.
post #53 of 212
No puny mortal can kill Gil Gerard.
post #54 of 212
Considering the average deer can write off a car by just standing in front of it this is insane.
post #55 of 212
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
You obviously don't understand how badass a buck can be. Any human being would be outmatched in hand to hand combat with a goddamn buck.
Well, anyone but Bill Brasky. One time I was in the back of a pickup with Bill Brasky and a live deer! Brasky grabs the deer by the antlers, looks at it and says, "I'm Bill Brasky! Say it!" Then he squeezes the deer so that this sound comes out of its mouth - "Billbrasky!" It wasn't exactly it, but it was pretty good for a deer!
post #56 of 212
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
I know you're a large man, but if I were a betting man (and I am), in a battle between yourself with a six inch knife, and a buck, I'll take the furry(er) animal.
Better than going bare handed and my largest knife is around twelve inch... Oh you're right I'd lose.

And Diva's from NYC, the only wildlife she knows about takes place in the Village.
post #57 of 212
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Ahoatam
There is no shortage of deer in this country, and this one will probably not be missed.
We can say the same about people. Doesn't mean we should kill them.

The issue of charging the man with a crime aside, killing the animal in the way that he did just doesn't make sense to me. People are going on and on about how dangerous bucks can be, yet this guy knowingly went into the room to wrestle the deer with his bare hands. Folks joke about using guns, knives, etc. in this situation, but any of those would be preferable to physically fighting the deer, causing the animal extreme distress for 40 minutes, before strangling it. There just had to be a better way.
post #58 of 212
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Originally Posted by Geoff Foster
No puny mortal can kill Gil Gerard.
Tigerman could.
post #59 of 212
Hey nobody so far has said that the guy was smart.
post #60 of 212
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Originally Posted by Diva
The issue of charging the man with a crime aside, killing the animal in the way that he did just doesn't make sense to me. People are going on and on about how dangerous bucks can be, yet this guy knowingly went into the room to wrestle the deer with his bare hands. Folks joke about using guns, knives, etc. in this situation, but any of those would be preferable to physically fighting the deer, causing the animal extreme distress for 40 minutes, before strangling it. There just had to be a better way.
This is precisely the reason why I'm so impressed by the guy! Who the fuck can kill a deer with his bare hands??

Besides, why should I care? It wasn't my deer.
post #61 of 212
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Originally Posted by Diva
The man was over 200 pounds, so depending on the size of the deer he probably wasn't too outmatched.
City kids are funny!

My dog weighs 65 pounds; I'm about 175. If I tried to grab hold of my dog and snap his neck while he was fighting me I'd have a chance, maybe. A buck could easily have weighed as much as that guy if not more, which would be fucking terrifying.

Doesn't matter anyway. Any animal that tries to kill its own reflection deserves its fate.
post #62 of 212
Breaking its neck is a pretty painless death. Stabbing the shit out of it would be MUCH worse.

Not to mention, the guy was trying to avoid a mess. Shooting it or going Helter Skelter on it creates as much mess as it avoids.
post #63 of 212
Speaking as someone who's dealt with an intruder in his house, when it happens, be it man or deer, you don't think about anything but stopping the intruder. Especially when it's something large that can do damage that's fucking your shit up in your pad, you don't think about methods of dispatch. You just think 'what's the best way I can get this fucker out?'
post #64 of 212
I think he should have thrown a can of coke on the deer and watched it melt away like the Wicked Witch of the West.
post #65 of 212
Thread Starter 
True. It's obvious I have no idea how big a buck can get. Doesn't excuse the man from killing it the way he did. Based on reports of all the blood splattered and the fact that he did not get seriously hurt, the deer did not get a very humane death. It makes me sad. Sorry.

Anyway, its been a slow day at work and this thread occupied my time. Thanks everyone for the lesson on the dangers of deer, but I must head home and forget this incident ever happened.
post #66 of 212
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Originally Posted by Charlie Brigden
Speaking as someone who's dealt with an intruder in his house, when it happens, be it man or deer, you don't think about anything but stopping the intruder. Especially when it's something large that can do damage that's fucking your shit up in your pad, you don't think about methods of dispatch. You just think 'what's the best way I can get this fucker out?'
Obviously, I don't think that way. If I feared for my life, I would run the other direction and out of the house. Killing, as I said earlier, would be the reaction farthest from my mind.
post #67 of 212
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Originally Posted by Joe LeFors
I think he should have thrown a can of coke on the deer and watched it melt away like the Wicked Witch of the West.
Winner.
post #68 of 212
Years ago, when I lived in South Africa, I regularly used to visit a friend of mine who worked as a core sampler for a big mining company. One weekend I journeyed up to his base of operations, which at the time was situated inside a long-extinct volcano near Messina. During the day we watched the baboons watching us from the caldera ridge. During the night, after the generator had cut out, they wandered down to the camp in search of food. The night one of them broke into my hut and started scratching around was the night I thought I was going to depart this world - in pieces.

If I could have snapped its neck I would have. Although I reckon I'd have needed to strength of ten men.
post #69 of 212
Believe me, actually living in Deer Country rids you of a lot of misconceptions about "cute ,innocent" Deer. I think it's "Bambi"that does it.
Look, I think that trophy Hunting is idiotic, and I beleive when it comes to hunting you should eat what you kill, but this is clearly self defense.
No DA anywhere is going to bring charges against a guy in a case like this.
I have noted the people who have never actually lived in rural surrounding has a lot of misconceptions about animals in the wild.
Mother Nature can be a bitch, beleive me.
And Rats are not cute if you have to live with the fuckers. You don't have to go to the country to find that out.
post #70 of 212
Jesus, it's not like the guy killed it, dragged it outside, kicked it some more, and made a shrine to his awesomeness.

He IS looking to get the meat processed so at least he's going to eat the damn thing.

I wouldn't kill an animal for sport, yet I love guns. But if a buck, gorilla, or local weatherman jumped into my house I would have no option but to take the mother down.

Maybe not jump right into action but if the thing isn't finding the exit I'll show it the exit, permanetly.


You know most of us would grab our toy lightsaber hoping to find some use for it. Then realize we like it too much to scratch it, put it back down, and cry.
post #71 of 212
Thread Starter 
At the risk of being redundant, I don't think killing is wrong if its for self-defense. My main problem with this whole story is that the man didn't seem to be in danger until he ran into the bedroom to confront the animal. Although it sucks to have property damage, shutting the door and waiting for professionals to come seems like a better solution that killing it (although from what everyone has posted, the police would probably have killed it as well). I don't pretend to know anything about deer and I take everyone's word that they can be dangerous, it just saddens me that attacking the animal was this guy's, and apparently everyone else's, first response -- except werewolf girl. Maybe its a gender thing. I do give him kudos for processing the meat for food. At least tis death wasn't a complete waste.
post #72 of 212
This sure is alot of talk for an animal that probably would have been shot dead the following day anyway.
post #73 of 212
On a not completely unrelated note, back in my hometown (high school days) I was up late one night when I heard growling out on my back porch. Turns out a rabid coyote was attacking a 3 month old pup we had sleeping out back. After yelling and prodding with a broom through the door from my mom didn't work, I ran outside with a bat in an attempt to scare off the coyote. When it didn't budge, but instead lunged at me I proceeded to beat it to death with the bat. And that was pretty tough, it didn't even go down until about the 3rd or 4th blow to the head/neck.

Now I wasn't in direct danger, I mostly feared for my dog (and mom of course), but I was still full of adrenaline and prepared to rush coyote. I can imagine this guy's adrenaline was up pretty fuckin' high if the deer crashed into his house and starts tearing shit up. So yeah I can't say I blame him for doing what he did, though I might question his methods. Bare hands?! Don't fuck with that guy.
post #74 of 212
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Guide and drag a live deer. Right.

Again, you have NO IDEA how much they put up with. None. You don't know how much damage was caused. I doubt yourself or PETA would have showed up and paid for the damage to the house had he just let it do its thing. Or for the medical bills (funeral bills?) of trying to drag a frightened deer out of a house.

He got leverage on the thing & it allowed him to take action. That doesn't mean he could have carried it out of the house.
You don't have any idea how much damage was done either. I think it's safe to assume we both have the same amount of knowledge about what happened, unless you happened to be in Arkansas that day.

I don't agree with Diva about the punishment thing, but I can't buy the idea that snapping it's neck was the best solution. The most convenient maybe, but that doesn't make it right.

Also, wrestling with a huge animal so you can kill it isn't any less dangerous than wrestling with an animal so you can get it out alive, if he was going to take a stupid risk he should have done the right thing.
post #75 of 212
I'm sort of stunned that there are folks afoot who would fault this guy for killing a deer in his own home with his bare hands.

I appreciate wildlife as much as anyone...in the wild. When it comes into the house, accident or no, it's fair game. I'm not even talking about protecting the family. Hell, if any one of you leapt through my window all high on kt-28s and started fucking up my bedroom furniture, I'd probably try to kill you, too. Pretty much any living thing that comes into the house uninvited and proceeds to fuck up the furniture goes down. No apologies.

Furniture is expensive.
post #76 of 212
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Originally Posted by Werewolf Girl
You don't have any idea how much damage was done either. I think it's safe to assume we both have the same amount of knowledge about what happened, unless you happened to be in Arkansas that day.
Yeah, but I'm not the one saying he should've just taken his chances and let whatever damage happens to just happen and worry about paying for it later. Of course, knowing that the deer was said to have been jumping over the bed back and forth I can rightfully say that shit was definately being broken.
post #77 of 212
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Yeah, but I'm not the one saying he should've just taken his chances and let whatever damage happens to just happen and worry about paying for it later. Of course, knowing that the deer was said to have been jumping over the bed back and forth I can rightfully say that shit was definately being broken.
I'm saying that killing something should never be your first thought when it's posing a problem.

And this wasn't a quick and painless death, it was already wounded from the glass and it took forty minutes of fighting for him to kill it.

I can understand that the guy was probably acting on instinct, but it's still wrong.
post #78 of 212
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Originally Posted by Diva
.... The guy says he peered around the kitchen corner and saw a deer dash into the bedroom and heard it jumping on the bed. His reaction was to run into the bedroom and wrestle the animal for 40 minutes....
I get where you're coming from (I really do), but think too much is being read into some aspects of the story.

One: Taking the location and stereotypes out of the equation, I find it hard to believe that the guy was just itching to get it on with some large vertebrate. "Hot shit, a 5-pointer! Let's wrassle!".

Two: Once the instinctive decision was made to grapple with the beast, he was likely fighting for his life at that point. Hard to back away from a careening, cornered and confronted quadruped.

Three: Fucker was JUMPING ON THE BED. That's grounds for a case of severe whip-lash right there.


Other points brought up worth noting:

I don't think it's a gender issue, but that's another argument. Killing SHOULD be the final solution (bites tongue) / last recourse, but I'm with him on this.

This DOES beg the question, though: "If a bear came crashing through your daughter's door RIGHT NOW, sir, what would you do?" Take THAT, 2nd amendment.

As for going all "Pacino in The Untouchables" (sic) on the deer, I was thinking more along the lines of "DeNiro in , um, The Deer Hunter".

And the guy's still a badass.
post #79 of 212
This guy should be made Governor.

Deer comes crashing into his house acting all bad and shit, so he handles it, he could've been at a barbeque but nooooo, but it's alright now look atchya!

Welcome to Earth.
post #80 of 212
This is the best thread since Peter Karrie was unmasked.

Seems to me that the line between heroism and idiocy is pretty thin. If the buck had killed this guy, we'd be sitting around saying what an idiot he was.
post #81 of 212
There's still the big unanswered question here and nobody has gotten to it yet. What was the deer doing in his daughter's bedroom? And why was he waiting for it? Maybe this wasn't the first time that something like this had happened, and Dad was determined to stop this unholy union at any cost.

This was a domestic crime, a crime of passion. No doubt.
post #82 of 212
The guy killled an intruding animal in a humane manner and then kept to meat for consumption. I just can't see how this was wrong.

Diva and WWG, are you vegetarians? I'm not trying to mock, but that could be a reason why you're against what this man did. As Adam Warren said early on, this guy is only guilty of catching his own food. If he had let the deer go, and then headed to the supermarket to get some porkroast, would he be any less a murderer?

If he had stabbed the deer repeatedly or something, I could see the anger, but he broke it's neck, which is about as decent a death as an animal can ask for.
post #83 of 212
Looks like Rudolph won't be guiding Santa's sleigh this year.

ZING!
post #84 of 212
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Originally Posted by Vader
You know most of us would grab our toy lightsaber hoping to find some use for it. Then realize we like it too much to scratch it, put it back down, and cry.
Fuck the lightsaber. The Anduril or Glamdring Replica would be coming off the wall for that bitch. You have to take advantage of every chance to use movie replica fantasy weapons that the good Lord gives you! That 5-point buck may be the closest thing to an Ork that you'll ever see.
post #85 of 212
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Originally Posted by bobblemonkey
I get where you're coming from (I really do), but think too much is being read into some aspects of the story.
I guess it just comes down to me being a city girl and possibly reading to much into the guy's story. But from what I gather, the deer didn't seem aggressive. The deer ran into the bedroom after being startled by the man eyeing it from the kitchen. The deer's own response was to run the other way, where it got trapped in the bedroom. I certainly can understand freaking out that a huge ass animal was fucking up my bed, but in all honestly, my reaction would not be to run in there and kill it.

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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
Seems to me that the line between heroism and idiocy is pretty thin. If the buck had killed this guy, we'd be sitting around saying what an idiot he was.
It's a fine line indeed. But aren't most things in life? I'm not so blinded by my beliefs that I can't appreciate the feat this guy accomplished. But I am utterly and completely baffled why he would even attempt it.

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Originally Posted by Graynadian
The guy killled an intruding animal in a humane manner and then kept to meat for consumption. I just can't see how this is wrong.

Diva and WWG, are you vegetarians? I'm not trying to mock, but that could be a reason why you're against what this man did. As Adam Warren said early on, this guy is only guilty of catching his own food. If he had let the deer go, and then headed to the supermarket to get some porkroast, would he be any less a murderer?

If he had stabbed the deer repeatedly or something, I could see the anger, but he broke it's neck, which is about as decent a death as an animal can ask for.
Nope. I'm not a vegetarian.

I guess I don't see how it was humane considering how there was blood -- not belonging to the man-- splattered everywhere and the fight lasted 40 minutes.

Saying this was an act of simply catching his own food is a bit revisionist. It's not like he built the house there as a trap to catch deer. He wasn't hunting for deer by sitting in his living room. He killed the deer presumably because he was protecting his family and property, not because he was hungry and need to make dinner. It's cool that he is processing the deer meat for food, but that wasn't his intention for killing it.

Anyway, I back down on the punishment angle. It was just a kneejerk reaction to the fact that he murdered an innocent animal. It's unfortunate the deer got inside the house and just as unfortunate that the man's property got damaged because of it. The guy was just doing what he thought was right, but I still contend he could have tried other options first. I already cited the school that opened doors to guide the deer out of the building as well as the option of closing the door and waiting for professionals. Either case is more preferable to me than killing an innocent animal, while putting one's self in extreme danger, to save some property. But in the end, my opinion doesn't matter because I live far, far away in a city that has no deer.
post #86 of 212
Speaking as someone who has almost been killed by deer twice now, I can safely say that--as usual--Diva has no fucking clue what she's talking about.

The guy was an idiot for tangling with the deer in the first place, sure, but there's nothing inhumane about killing a crazed animal the size of an NFL linebacker that's tearing through your house.

If I had to choose between watching everything I own get destroyed or another dead deer, I'd pick my stuff. And considering how selfish and materialistic you'd have to be to screw Amazon out of $45 worth of DVDs, Diva, don't pretend you wouldn't feel the same way.
post #87 of 212
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Originally Posted by Godzuki
This guy should be made Governor.

Deer comes crashing into his house acting all bad and shit, so he handles it, he could've been at a barbeque but nooooo, but it's alright now look atchya!

Welcome to Earth.
I agree, entirely. What sort of badass do you have to be? If I'm reading the story right, dude hears a deer crash into the room. Gets up off of his chair and goes in there barehanded to regulate. Comes out ten minutes later, leans up against the wall, takes a deep breath, wipes the sweat from his brow and goes back in!!!

Mr. Glass is probably doing cartwheels right now...
post #88 of 212
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Slater
Speaking as someone who has almost been killed by deer twice now, I can safely say that--as usual--Diva has no fucking clue what she's talking about.

The guy was an idiot for tangling with the deer in the first place, sure, but there's nothing inhumane about killing a crazed animal the size of an NFL linebacker that's tearing through your house.

If I had to choose between watching everything I own get destroyed or another dead deer, I'd pick my stuff. And considering how selfish and materialistic you'd have to be to screw Amazon out of $45 worth of DVDs, Diva, don't pretend you wouldn't feel the same way.
Please show me the report that said the animal was crazed and running through the house. Seems to me the man was more crazed than the deer.

Actually, the DVD was $20, and I was more upset that someone I trusted fucked me over than the fact that I lost a material possession. I would have gotten over the stolen DVD the next day. *Edit: In fact, I did get over it the next day: "In any case, now that my anger over some douchebag stealing my stuff has subsided, really no harm was done as I didn't spend any money on this".

I'm not saying getting my bedroom destroyed wouldn't suck, but I can 100% say I wouldn't kill that deer without trying every other option to get it out safely first.

Keep on making baseless judgments about people's character, slater. You sure have given plenty of fodder for folks to make sweeping generalizations about you. And it ain't pretty.
post #89 of 212
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Originally Posted by Diva
Please show me the report that said the animal was crazed and running through the house. Seems to me the man was more crazed than the deer.
I have to say that I disagree with the personal vitriol that's been thrown at you, but you're asking to be shown information that's pretty much there in the report at the top of the page. And yeah, I'll give it to you because of your unfamiliarty with the animals, but anytime you trap a large wild animal in a confined, unfamiliar space it's going to go nuts. I don't know what you are imagining, but it seems to be this image of bambi jumping up and down on the bed in an musing and lighthearted manner.

I mean, we're making a lot of assumptions when we assume the guy could have waited for the animal to be sedated or shot. The guy did what he felt was necessary and emerged successful. And honestly, if it's like most of the whitetail deer population, it was much more statistically likely to die from being hit by a car, starving to death, or being killed for sport than by a man protecting his home anyway.
post #90 of 212
The deer was crazy. It was aggressive.

Deer don't just go jumping through windows. The likeliest explanation is that the deer saw it's reflection in the window, and lept to attack. It was in full fight mode.

Then when it entered the house, it was probably in full-confused mode too. That means it was scared shitless. If you know anything about animals, you know they are most dangerous when frightened.

Crazed and aggressive.

It's pure conjecture, sure. But it's also the most reasonable and makes the most sense.

EDIT: I just found out this is the rutting season. (Read: Hot Deer Sex!) Males are even more aggressive during this time.
post #91 of 212
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Originally Posted by Andrew Ellis
I have to say that I disagree with the personal vitriol that's been thrown at you....
Well said, sir. I was thinking along the same lines but got distracted cracking wise. And I'm not interested in helping a damsel in distress so much as making it known that, assumptions aside, her opinion is her own and therefore valid.
post #92 of 212
The guy tangled with the deer. Locked it in the room to go talk to his wife. Then went back in and struggled with it until he killed it. Total elapsed time- 40 minutes.

I'm not sayin' who's right or wrong, but clearly this guy wasn't just acting in self defense. This guy seriously wanted to wrassle a deer.
post #93 of 212
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
Seems to me that the line between heroism and idiocy is pretty thin. If the buck had killed this guy, we'd be sitting around saying what an idiot he was.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think the guy's a hero; he's definitely an idiot. But I'm impressed as hell that he killed that deer. That's why this is a story, after all -- the guy killed a deer with his bare hands! No gun, no knife, no Anduril replica -- bare hands!
post #94 of 212
We're all getting way too jaded and bitter when we can't just sit back and appreciate the grandeur of a guy killing a deer with his bare fucking hands.
post #95 of 212
Hey can somebody do an "If Chewers Ran the Movies" poster of The Deer Hunter for this thread? My photoshop skills are inadequate.
post #96 of 212
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Originally Posted by Joe LeFors
Don't get me wrong, I don't think the guy's a hero; he's definitely an idiot. But I'm impressed as hell that he killed that deer. That's why this is a story, after all -- the guy killed a deer with his bare hands! No gun, no knife, no Anduril replica -- bare hands!
If we define heroism as "acts that will get you free beer down at the local VFW," this guy is definitely a hero.

Waiting for it ...
post #97 of 212
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Originally Posted by Slater
Speaking as someone who has almost been killed by deer twice now,
That's what you get for hanging out in deer bars.
post #98 of 212
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Originally Posted by by Andrew Ellis
I have to say that I disagree with the personal vitriol that's been thrown at you....

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Originally Posted by bobblemonkey
Well said, sir.
Ditto.
post #99 of 212
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Andrew Ellis
I have to say that I disagree with the personal vitriol that's been thrown at you, but you're asking to be shown information that's pretty much there in the report at the top of the page. And yeah, I'll give it to you because of your unfamiliarty with the animals, but anytime you trap a large wild animal in a confined, unfamiliar space it's going to go nuts. I don't know what you are imagining, but it seems to be this image of bambi jumping up and down on the bed in an musing and lighthearted manner.
I guess when I hear the word aggressive, I picture an animal attacking. The deer was freaking out in the bedroom, for sure. However, it ran the other way when confronted by the guy. In addition, the guy said the deer was trying to get away by climbing up the wall when he grabbed ahold of it and twisted its neck. It is totally natural for the guy to fear for his property, I just don't understand his reaction of killing.

However, everyone's posts seem to indicate the deer would be killed no matter what, whether it were that day or another. It just makes me sad that that is the case. I know it is a hopelessly naive way of thinking, but every creature deserves a chance to live. And although breaking its neck may be the most humane way of killing it, reports of the struggle that ensued as well as the blood splattered everywhere leads me to believe it wasn't such a pleasant way to die.
post #100 of 212
I'm guessing the blood was from jumping through the glass.
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