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post #101 of 148
11/22/05 at 4:06pm
I don't pretend to know everything about that scenario, but I do know that SP's action/reaction was trolling the board. Regardless of whatever alleged misdeeds were done to them, SP's course of action was fucking asinine.

If they were around, would engage in any kind of dialogue? No, they'd fling shit and post poorly photoshopped pictures of the principle members of the site. They were really speaking truth to power, those valiant warriors.
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post #102 of 148
11/22/05 at 4:24pm
Man, this bullshit is getting tired.
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post #103 of 148
11/22/05 at 5:01pm
Honestly, who the fuck has a fear of being banned? Who really fears being banned from a movie website?

This whole thing is fucking retarded.
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post #104 of 148
11/22/05 at 5:06pm
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Originally Posted by Skunk Ape
My comment about SP doesn't mean that I approved of their methods, but I approved of their reasons.

It was a place where people could call Devin out on the fact that he INSULTS THE VERY PEOPLE WHO FREQUENT AND SUPPORT HIS WEBSITE. His attitude is completely ungrateful and disgusting.

The SP folks at least offered a place to comment on things like this very thread without fear of being banned for it.

As for CHUD--as long as you're an ass kisser, all is well. Fear not the ban.

I happen to know for a fact that Devin adores me. His love knows no bounds.

You do not have an ally.
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post #105 of 148
11/22/05 at 5:25pm
I agree with Halbauer, who actually even cares about being banned from this site or any other?
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post #106 of 148
11/22/05 at 5:38pm
I hit the boards several times a day every day and I have yet to ever see anyone kissing ass.
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post #107 of 148
11/23/05 at 12:08pm
Hey, guess what. All you people that are bitching about the site and how it's run? And saying that they ban people just for that?

YOU'RE STILL HERE. BITCHING ABOUT THE SITE AND HOW IT'S RUN.
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post #108 of 148
11/23/05 at 1:34pm
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Originally Posted by JGButler
Geezus - are there enough notable pornstars to make a Top 100 list? The only names I know are Jenna Jameson and Janine. I'm sure there are several more...but 100?
Theres a lot of notable pornstars, nowadays. A few that come to mind are:
Stormy, Jessica Drake and Shyla Stylez.
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post #109 of 148
11/23/05 at 5:22pm
shyla stylez is more known as a "retired to soon" porn star.
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post #110 of 148
11/23/05 at 5:47pm
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Originally Posted by Matt Halbauer
It's a cold day in hell when I agree with Overlord.
I seem to get that a lot.
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post #111 of 148
11/25/05 at 1:15pm
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Originally Posted by Danger D
Devin, you are an asshole. You are the reason I won't come back to this site. So fuck you, good bye, good riddance.
You're dramatically indignant that someone posted something (sujectively) mildly offensive in the sex forum you were trawling during your brief 5 post involvement in the boards ?

Slater, seriously you fucker, you totally cunted up these boards beyond buggery's belief with all that apologetic nonsense.
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post #112 of 148
11/25/05 at 2:05pm
What about people who follow sports? Should they kill themselves too?

Is this about voyeurs in general, or just people that don't get much and like to watch professionals fuck very well?
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post #113 of 148
11/25/05 at 3:24pm
Just people who put any value beyond transitory arousal in pornography. There's a reason it's shot in 15 minute bouts.

And if people really want to over-analyse a flippant call for "death", go over-pedant some other board. Or carry on latching onto a meaningless jibe at some proven jackass on a message board. Or better yet ignore it. Or anything else, rather than perpetuate nothing more than your own pigheadedness.
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post #114 of 148
11/25/05 at 4:24pm
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Originally Posted by Straxboy - An Anthony Hickox Film
Just people who put any value beyond transitory arousal in pornography. There's a reason it's shot in 15 minute bouts.
What about people who put any value beyond personal health in athletics? There is a reason we all have our own sets of limbs.

I see a strong correlation between people who watch pornography for entertainment and people who watch sports for entertainment. In both cases, voyeurs prefer to watch experts, rather than participate in an activity which everyone is capable of perfoming.

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Originally Posted by Straxboy - An Anthony Hickox Film
And if people really want to over-analyse a flippant call for "death", go over-pedant some other board. Or carry on latching onto a meaningless jibe at some proven jackass on a message board. Or better yet ignore it. Or anything else, rather than perpetuate nothing more than your own pigheadedness.
Devin's comment was flippant, so was my reply. At least, I can justifiably claim so after the fact.

And if you're going to respond to my post, please don't be so dismissive. I brought up a good point, that athletic voyeurs (let alone film "buffs") have been absolved of any creepiness in this thread despite strong correlations to porn fans, and you dismissed me by lumping me with all those who did not see it your way here.

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There are few people creepier than those who really follow porn - who know the different actors and who have a large number of films, or who have seen a large number of them. I wouldn't want to shake their hands.
It's not that I disagree with the heart of Devin's thesis, it's that he makes so many ensuing blanket statements it becomes almost impossible to support him on his initial point.

Is it creepy to devote your life to watching porn? Yes.

Is it creepy to devote your life to watching da Bears? Yes.

I think the fact that icky sex is the fixation here is what repulses so many.

You can see porn fans as pale-skinned rejects who pine over Cali sluts while editing highlight clips, or you can see them as run-of-the-mill voyeurs who extract satisfaction and meaning from the achievements of others, whether that be winning the Cup or slamming Jenna Jamison.

I think you would like them to be demented creeps, so that you can place them safely below you and your movie fetish.
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post #115 of 148
11/25/05 at 4:51pm
Thread Starter 
Comparing watching athletics to watching porn is flat out stupid. I mean, if we were all sitting around a dorm room stoned we might think it was right brilliant, but it's nonsense.

Porn is created to be a masturbatory aid. It's not instructional, it's not aesthetic and it sure as hell isn't competitive.

I have two main areas of trouble with people who watch a tremendous amount of porn. One is that these people are most likely deeply sexually dysfunctional on many levels. Porn does not create realistic or healthy expectations of sexuality, and these chronic masturbators are tying their sexual release into this very heavily.

Those are the least of the troubling people, though. They just have fucked up sexuality, which isn't all that rare. This is just how it manifests. But creepier are the ones who consume porn like regular people consume TV shows. Porn is not created to be consumed that way. It's like being so in to Teletubbies that you know all about the people in the costumes. You would be disturbed to discover your friend was that into Teletubbies, and it's because your friend is finding too much meaning in something where it doesn't exist.

The world of nerds is an obsessive one, so when obsessive porn fans are taken to task the people who are obsessively into RoboTech take offense. And because the consumption of porn is so secret and personal, people who are moderate or casual porn consumers also take offense. But I am talking about people who are chronically and obsessively drawn to porn, or people who place a sick amount of significance on it and the people who make it.

Moreover, the second kind of person is deeply delusional - by focusing on the stars and the behind the scenes aspects, they think they're involved in a legitimate branch of entertainment. The reality is that, even today, the porn industry is a grotesquely exploitative one. Worse than simply supporting this currently degrading industry with your money, you are helping create the myth of legitimacy around it.

I am not down on porn in general. I understand its place and its uses, but that's the key part. I understand its place and its uses. I believe that porn could be an industry that is relatively free of exploitation, but porn fans don't help that happen.

At any rate, your sports to porn analogy is empty and hollow and indicates a gross lack of understanding about either porn or sports. Your analogy could further be extended to people who look at paintings - would you say that watching Captain Stabbin's Double Penetration Extravaganza is in any way comparable to looking at Van Gogh's Sunflowers? Put some thought into your thoughts before you type them out.
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post #116 of 148
11/25/05 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by devincf
Comparing watching athletics to watching porn is flat out stupid. I mean, if we were all sitting around a dorm room stoned we might think it was right brilliant, but it's nonsense.

Porn is created to be a masturbatory aid. It's not instructional, it's not aesthetic and it sure as hell isn't competitive.

I have two main areas of trouble with people who watch a tremendous amount of porn. One is that these people are most likely deeply sexually dysfunctional on many levels. Porn does not create realistic or healthy expectations of sexuality, and these chronic masturbators are tying their sexual release into this very heavily.

Those are the least of the troubling people, though. They just have fucked up sexuality, which isn't all that rare. This is just how it manifests. But creepier are the ones who consume porn like regular people consume TV shows. Porn is not created to be consumed that way. It's like being so in to Teletubbies that you know all about the people in the costumes. You would be disturbed to discover your friend was that into Teletubbies, and it's because your friend is finding too much meaning in something where it doesn't exist.

The world of nerds is an obsessive one, so when obsessive porn fans are taken to task the people who are obsessively into RoboTech take offense. And because the consumption of porn is so secret and personal, people who are moderate or casual porn consumers also take offense. But I am talking about people who are chronically and obsessively drawn to porn, or people who place a sick amount of significance on it and the people who make it.

Moreover, the second kind of person is deeply delusional - by focusing on the stars and the behind the scenes aspects, they think they're involved in a legitimate branch of entertainment. The reality is that, even today, the porn industry is a grotesquely exploitative one. Worse than simply supporting this currently degrading industry with your money, you are helping create the myth of legitimacy around it.

I am not down on porn in general. I understand its place and its uses, but that's the key part. I understand its place and its uses. I believe that porn could be an industry that is relatively free of exploitation, but porn fans don't help that happen.

At any rate, your sports to porn analogy is empty and hollow and indicates a gross lack of understanding about either porn or sports. Your analogy could further be extended to people who look at paintings - would you say that watching Captain Stabbin's Double Penetration Extravaganza is in any way comparable to looking at Van Gogh's Sunflowers? Put some thought into your thoughts before you type them out.

Your whole post about why the sports analogy fails comes down to this;

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Porn is created to be a masturbatory aid. It's not instructional, it's not aesthetic and it sure as hell isn't competitive.
So what? People find uses for things beyond their original intent, and clearly some people have found beauty and satisfaction in porn beyond any intent its creators might have had. The same is true of professional sports. Football was not created in order to provide passive entertainment, yet an obsessively voyeuristic culture has evolved around it.

If you think that the average human body is beautiful, let alone a toned and fit one, porn that contains beauty is aesthetic. I haven't seen a lot of ugly people in porn, especially women.

It doesn't matter if porn or athletics are instructional or competitive, that has nothing to do with the voyeuristic lifestyle you have a problem with.

You don't like people that watch other people have sex if they're not horny. You don't give much of an explanation for why, and since that is a subjective statement based on opinion, you don't need to. However, if you're going to publically and authoritatively dismiss other people's opinions, you have to give some actual reasons, not just petulant rhetoric. Your dismissal of my analogy as some stoner's philosophy is a good example of this.

Porn and sports have evolved beyond their original uses, at least for a sizable chunk of the population. If you choose to see voyeuristic obsession as creepy, so be it, just make sure to include your own obsessions in the creepy category. Judging by your arguments with Diva, you seem to have formed a Horcrux with the movie Battle Royale.

You see a night and day difference between being obsessed with porn and being obsessed with movies or sports, apparently because porn is supposed to only be used for masturbation and is not a true art form. I would agrue that the act of two highly experienced people having beautiful sex has its artistic merits, whether or not cultured geek society agrees.
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post #117 of 148
11/25/05 at 5:30pm
Thread Starter 
You're right. The silicone-laden women of porn are being appreciated on a purely aesthetic level. The people buying 4 Hours of Cum Shots enjoy seeing men who are highly trained at ejaculation purely for the art of it.

You are making the single worst and most disconnected from actual reality argument ever.
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post #118 of 148
11/25/05 at 6:02pm
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Originally Posted by devincf
You're right. The silicone-laden women of porn are being appreciated on a purely aesthetic level. The people buying 4 Hours of Cum Shots enjoy seeing men who are highly trained at ejaculation purely for the art of it.

You are making the single worst and most disconnected from actual reality argument ever.
If I ever said that pornstars were appreciated on a purely aesthetic level, or that people buy porn just to watch expert ejaculations, I would be wrong. You and both know I never made such a ridiculous generalization. I merely said that watching more porn than you need to wank is representative of human voyeuristic tendencies overall, and not necessarily severe sexual depravity.

That's a pretty all-encompassing last sentence you wrote there, and while I appreciate that you're not being serious, your constant use of hyperbole makes it hard to tell when you're actually being earnest. Do you seriously believe that there is no connection between people watching rippied athletes do moves they never could and people watching ripped pornstars do girls they never could, outside of any personal benefit?

Devin, your professional writing is awesome, but in threads you often remind me of that kid from Homerpalooza.

Teen1: Oh, here comes that cannonball guy. He's cool.
Teen2: Are you being sarcastic, dude?
Teen1: I don't even know anymore.
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post #119 of 148
11/25/05 at 6:23pm
Thread Starter 
Let's make this easy.

Nobody watches porn to see people do stuff they can't do, unless we're talking about really over the top wacky porn.

People watch porn to masturbate.

I do not watch sports but it is obvious to me that the vast majority of sports fans are into it for the competitive nature of the games. Maybe your arguments would have held more water in ancient Greece.
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post #120 of 148
11/25/05 at 7:04pm
and scene.
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post #121 of 148
11/26/05 at 6:14am
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Originally Posted by Graynadian
You see a night and day difference between being obsessed with porn and being obsessed with movies or sports, apparently because porn is supposed to only be used for masturbation and is not a true art form. I would agrue that the act of two highly experienced people having beautiful sex has its artistic merits, whether or not cultured geek society agrees.
See Gray, you are creepy. I can't think of a particular example, but I remember you coming off as a smart person. But here you seem to imply that porn sex is realistic sex. If you didn't mean to project that, I apologize for the misunderstanding, but if I'm correct that is just creepy.
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post #122 of 148
11/26/05 at 12:47pm
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Originally Posted by wydren
See Gray, you are creepy. I can't think of a particular example, but I remember you coming off as a smart person. But here you seem to imply that porn sex is realistic sex. If you didn't mean to project that, I apologize for the misunderstanding, but if I'm correct that is just creepy.
I'm not implying that porn sex is the same as or better than sex without makeup and editing, ie realistic sex, I am just saying that two beautiful people having sex can be beautiful from a third-person perspective, and that people who watch aren't always degenerates. While the use of porn is primarily utilitarian, there is undeniable aesthetic attraction to watching a beautiful naked form in motion. It is the same reason why we like to watch ballet or Christina Aguilera videos. Devin pronounced all who watch porn while not touching their genitals as dirty freaks, and refused to refine that blanket statement when I pointed out that through loose language he was also indicting voyeurs of many persuasions, perhaps even casting shame on those who enjoy to watch beautiful naked bodies for non-sexual gratification, respectable people such as ballet buffs.

Reality is subtlety, this truth causes some people to throw a tantrum.
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post #123 of 148
11/26/05 at 1:51pm
Yeah...

You just compared hardcore pornography with ballet.

That's pretty creepy.
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post #124 of 148
11/26/05 at 2:05pm
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette
Yeah...

You just compared hardcore pornography with ballet.

That's pretty creepy.
Can you explain to me why watching ballet is somehow more poetic or majestic to you than watching a hot girl have an orgasm? I'm open to your ideas, but so far in this thread I've seen a lot of finger pointing and not a lot of substance.
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post #125 of 148
11/26/05 at 2:08pm
Hey, Millette, I'm going out with a dancer. Ballet is Hott. Fuck you.

I think Graynadian is only saying that pornography carries the potential to be aesthetically interesting. Richard Kern and many other modern photographers function right on the line between between art and porn, probably because they wish to blur it, possibly out of a desire to fight against culture's depiction of sex as dirty, forbidden, and unspeakable.

I think Gray, though, that you've gone a bit too far. The vast majority of porn really is just dreck that only communicates with one very specific part of our anatomies. comparing 99.9% of porn to art of any kind is, i'm afraid, incorrect.
If you want to appreciate the human form go to an art gallery. There's hundreds of years of it out there. Doing it by watching buttslammers won't do anyone any good.

But don't call Gray creepy just because he was trying to introduce a slightly more nuanced approach to the debate.
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post #126 of 148
11/26/05 at 2:12pm
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Originally Posted by Graynadian
Can you explain to me why watching ballet is somehow more poetic or majestic to you than watching a hot girl have an orgasm? I'm open to your ideas, but so far in this thread I've seen a lot of finger pointing and not a lot of substance.

Or, maybe i was wrong.

Gray. Dance is made by people who spend years perfecting their skills in dancing and in choreography to create performaces that speak to the human condition. Porn is made in half an hour by pointing a camera at naked women.

There is a difference.
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post #127 of 148
11/26/05 at 4:55pm
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Originally Posted by Andrew Clarke
Or, maybe i was wrong.

Gray. Dance is made by people who spend years perfecting their skills in dancing and in choreography to create performaces that speak to the human condition. Porn is made in half an hour by pointing a camera at naked women.

There is a difference.
There are thousands of differences, and certainly one is that there is more craft and workmanship behind ballet. What I am asserting is that there is a specific connection, the desire to watch an ideal human form in motion.

This thread was about the deviancy and perversion of people who watch porn without trying to get off on it. I'm just pointing out that a desire to watch beautiful bodies when unaroused is timeless and revered, but as soon as it's called porn and/or involves sex, all these assumptions are attached. Maybe we shouldn't be so quick to judge.
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post #128 of 148
11/26/05 at 8:05pm
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Originally Posted by devincf

Porn is created to be a masturbatory aid. It's not instructional, it's not aesthetic and it sure as hell isn't competitive.
While I agree that porn is a white trash replacement for a copy of the Kama Sutra, I'm sure at some point or another some people have gleened several positions by way of what has been seen in a porn.

"That there reverse cowgirl looks like it might be fun, don't ya think, Brittany?"

Also, I've no doubt that some guys have used porn as a PSA if you will to get a girl to attempt anal sex.

Yes, porn is incredibly exploitative in several circles, and I can say that porn IS competitive. Each release is trying to outdo the previous. Why do you think that the market is so over the top? Its the porn junkies that need the next new thing while John and Jane Q. Public are perfectly okay with two people having sex via the magic of a handycam.

If actually talented directors and actors were working in erotic mediums with budgets, we could all be extolling the virtues of the genre. Since every asshole with a handycam and some access to blow doesn't make action comedies, I guess we can all rest easy.
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post #129 of 148
11/27/05 at 3:21am
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Originally Posted by Andrew Clarke
Hey, Millette, I'm going out with a dancer. Ballet is Hott. Fuck you.

I think Graynadian is only saying that pornography carries the potential to be aesthetically interesting. Richard Kern and many other modern photographers function right on the line between between art and porn, probably because they wish to blur it, possibly out of a desire to fight against culture's depiction of sex as dirty, forbidden, and unspeakable.

I think Gray, though, that you've gone a bit too far. The vast majority of porn really is just dreck that only communicates with one very specific part of our anatomies. comparing 99.9% of porn to art of any kind is, i'm afraid, incorrect.
If you want to appreciate the human form go to an art gallery. There's hundreds of years of it out there. Doing it by watching buttslammers won't do anyone any good.

But don't call Gray creepy just because he was trying to introduce a slightly more nuanced approach to the debate.

I missed this post Andy(?), thanks for refining what I said into something a little more coherent. I agree that the vast majority of porn is made for and used by masturbation enthusiasts, all seven billion of us, who use porn like a hairdryer and just move on with our day. I count myself among that group, I can't say I've never enjoyed porn, but I've never watched it without a goal in mind. However, I did watch a great piece on SexTV about this Dutch club VJ who made montages of closeups of girls' faces during sex scenes, and with the editing syncopated with the club music it made for some legitimate art IMO.

Those scenes could have been taken from any porno, so is 99% of porn designated trash and 1% designated art? I have problems when people make blanket statements condemning an outside group as wrong or deviant for reasons other than harm upon another.
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post #130 of 148
11/28/05 at 8:01am
Firtly, calm down, poncho - you weren't calling for a fatwa on Dev for the "kill yourselves" comment. That wasn't directed at you. You want to raise the level of debate [insert own pun here], which is a good thing, Gray.

The thing is, in a perfect world, your argument would have a leg to stand on. But since an emotional utopia doesn't exist, not everyone watching porn is comparable to Linda Williams writing Hardcore (a great, intriguing book about these very aesthetics of pornography by the way). Not many of them would have even heard of the book. Fewer would have read it. Fewer still would approach pornography from the same dispassionate, consciously aesthetically stance.

And the overall lack of artistry (if you're not watching Michael Ninn or some comparable porn auteur) is the reason the argument doesn't work 99.9% of the time. This isn't about the abundance of pornography, it's about the worth it gives one's life beyond the physical (unless it is something with "genuine artistry" - a subjective term sure, but I suspect a lot of the hyperreal audience we're discussing aren't underground art/culture students)

Read what Noam Chomsky has to say if you want a correlation between organized sports and some (not so) deep-seated aspect of the human condition. The sex drive is not a great part of it (though I suppose someone else could easily apply it if one is looking from a purely physical point of view).

No one really ponted toward "just watching" (which I think it's safe to say we all do), no one mentioned "watching on a semi-regular/regular basis for the titties" (which I know I have, and will probably continue to do with and without the girlfriend). But "obsessive" viewing is a step up, don't you think ? With little usual artistic merit perpetuating such rhythmic momentum. I mean, if Michael Ninn is the biggest selling porn maker in the US, I'd be willing to believe that artistry and aesthetics plays a grand part, but I suspect it's Max Hardcore or someone...
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post #131 of 148
11/28/05 at 11:44am
Well, as far as owning a lot of pornography, yeah, that's creepy. The practicality of it alone is flawed. I have some porn on my computer, but as much as my knowledge of the pornstars themselves, I don't actually own any pornography, and I can't imagine anyone owning half as much pornography as, say, Paul Rudd's character in THE 40 YEAR OLD VIRGIN, and still being socially respectable.
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post #132 of 148
11/28/05 at 1:09pm
Thread Starter 
I like your sig. It's like a secret code that says "Ignore me, I'm a 13 year old moron."
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post #133 of 148
11/28/05 at 1:24pm
He does have a point. Kpropain is a total dick.
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post #134 of 148
11/28/05 at 2:14pm
You know what's tired? Trolls obsessed with Devin.
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post #135 of 148
11/28/05 at 2:18pm
I stand corrected.
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post #136 of 148
11/28/05 at 2:21pm
Did he get banned for that?
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post #137 of 148
11/28/05 at 2:26pm
Yes.
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post #138 of 148
11/28/05 at 4:58pm
I missed it by that much. What was his special secret sig?
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post #139 of 148
11/28/05 at 5:02pm
It was about Horror.com being a forum full of assholes.

Especially kpropain, who was some kind of painful vaginal discharge.
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post #140 of 148
11/28/05 at 5:24pm
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It was about Horror.com being a forum full of assholes.

Especially kpropain, who was some kind of painful vaginal discharge.
That's Greek to me. I am but a simple man, ambivalent towards mainstream pornography.
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post #141 of 148
11/28/05 at 5:31pm
Ambivalent? Creeeeeepy.
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post #142 of 148
11/28/05 at 5:48pm
You should see the stuff I'm not ambivalent about. I expect it's illegal in some states.
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post #143 of 148
11/28/05 at 5:52pm
Oh! You said "ambivalent"! Sorry, I read that as "constantly masturbating", my mistake. It happens sometimes.
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post #144 of 148
11/28/05 at 6:11pm
No no. You're thinking of "ambidextrous".
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post #145 of 148
11/28/05 at 6:44pm
You sicken me.
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post #146 of 148
11/28/05 at 6:47pm
I'm not gonna miss the guy, but I assume there was more at play here than him taking a shot at Devin.
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post #147 of 148
11/30/05 at 7:45am
If you got banned for taking one shot at Devin, there'd be nobody here.

The guy was an asshole from his behaviour through to his signature and beyond.

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post #148 of 148
11/30/05 at 12:15pm
Fair enough.
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