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post #1 of 14
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I've rented a bunch of his movies from Netflix lately. It's been a while since I've seen some of them (Double Team, OUATIC). I have more coming in the mail too (the Van Damme classic KNOCK OFF, Time and Tide, etc). I bought seven swords from dddhouse.

What I like the most about Hark is that his films always seem to have a lot of energy and creativity (even if they're not very good).

So far I've watched:

Seven Swords

Not a flawless film, but fun. What it needed the most was more 'bonding' between the seven swords. They just get their swords and are immediately thrown into battle. Not much hanging out, training, etc. Also, they spend the least amount of time on the two guys with the coolest swords. I'm talking about the happy guy with the 'celestial beam' and the guy who was raised by wolves. And you can't just have a guy say "I was raised by wolves." and not show it. COME ON!

Still, like I said, it's a fun movie. I think FU was the best character.

Black Mask 2: City of Masks

Good god this is an ABOMINATION. The crazy Tsui Hark energy is there, but it can't save this movie. The sad thing is, this had the potential to be damn good. You have Hark, Woo-ping and a guy with superpowers who looks like Kato. This could have worked easily with a decent story and decent actors. Instead you get a stupid Pro wrestler/animal DNA plot with some truly awful acting. Ugh.

The Legend of Zu

I don't think I'm a big enough anime/rpg fan to really like this. However, it does have an INSANE charm. Nothing really makes sense, and every frame is packed with weird cgi effects. There are a bunch of pretty images in the film, though.

Double Team

Well it's a piece of shit, let's face it. Watch it to spot clear shots of Van Damme's stuntman performing stunts that AREN'T COMPLICATED AT ALL. Then watch the scene where Van Damme wildly humps a bathtub, and the scene with a diet coke vending machine. Then you can turn it off.

Once upon a time in China

Good film, very good fight scenes. Did seem to run a little too long, though.
post #2 of 14
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Originally Posted by wadew1
Well it's a piece of shit, let's face it.
Let's see you say that to Stavros' face!

DOUBLE TEAM is a silly film, dare I say stupid, but Hark's direction is key in making it entertaining. It sure ain't bland and there's always some crazy visual or sequence that helps ease the pain of seeing Van Damme enter the downward phase of his career. Hark could do nothing to save KNOCK OFFS though..
post #3 of 14
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The worst thing about Double Team is that Van Damme seems tired/drugged out through the whole thing. He doesn't have the usual "Ey eets me baybee! Watch me keek!" JCVD charm. And acting opposite Dennis Rodman didn't help any.

As for Knock Off, I've never seen the whole thing. Netflix is gonna change that.
post #4 of 14
I love the insanity of Zu. Plus, the CGI in that movie is fucking amazing considering it cost $10 million.

Put Peking Opera Blues on your list.
post #5 of 14
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And I think Black Mask 2 had a bigger budget than Zu. BM2 looks like a cheap Power Ranger episode.
post #6 of 14
Not a big Tsui Hark fan (not really into kung fu movies to be honest), but I absolutely loved Time and Tide, and it's one of my favorite honk kong action movies. Great action, fun character interaction, and a quite solid story. Nicholas Tse is pretty great.
post #7 of 14
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Originally Posted by Giant Baba
Which kinda proves it.

I think 1/5 of Tsui's output falls into the kung fu genre.

You're missing out.

My vote goes for his darker work, like DON'T PLAY WITH FIRE and WE ARE GOING TO EAT YOU.
I'm quite a sucker for the one two punch of Iron Monkey and OUATIC 2. I just find that the films are so thematically similar, Iron Monkey looks like it could OATIC: The Beginning, that watching Wong Fei Hung beat the shit out of his dad at the end of 2 is borderline hilarious.
post #8 of 14
There are CGI effects in Zu Warriors? Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought it was all practical effects work.
post #9 of 14
I have seen the original version, which is why I was confused about all this talk of CGI effects.
post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by Volta
I have seen the original version, which is why I was confused about all this talk of CGI effects.
Watch the new one. Legend of Zu will make you believe that Tsui Hark has a gloriously insane superhero movie lurking inside him.
post #11 of 14
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Yeah, miramax acquired LEGEND OF ZU during the whole Crouching Tiger craze. They changed the title to ZU WARRIORS and were planning on releasing it in the US.

http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/zu_warriors.html
post #12 of 14
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Knock Off

Yep, another piece of shit. All of Hark's english language films are amateurish and full of bad dubbing/adr, don't ask me why. On the plus side, a lot of quotes from the VAN DAMME SOUNDBOARD come from this film.

Dey....
wur....
NANOBOMBS!
post #13 of 14
Knock Off has a bunch of fans round these parts, myself included. In a non-ironic way as well, I hasten to add.

Sure it's De Souza flying on the cruise control as he's been used to since his Die Hard-glory days, but compare the picture with a Thomas Ian Griffith or a Jeff Speakman picture and it's got real cinematic energy to burn. It's not mired in Canadian looking TV visuals with the odd bone crunching scrap, it's actually got set pieces, character turns and kineticism that's totally Hark's (albeit muted in that familiar budget-stricken (or more likely union-forbidden) fashion US action pictures are compared to their eastern counterparts.)

Hong Kong Legends (and maybe Fortune Star in the US as well, I don't know) has a beautiful version of Hark's '83 Zu Warriors available - with the really lengthy wraparound sequences as a separate section for your uncontaminated edification.

The Butterfly Murders is great vintage Hark as well. And though it's rightfully considered lesser than its preceding (and pretty unrelated) installments, A Better Tomorrow 3 (mostly known as Love And Death In Saigon, I think) is a fine thriller in its own right: a little political intrigue, a dash of romantic drama and some nice, epic set pieces.
post #14 of 14
As far as I know, Zu Warriors was re-edited without Hark's knowledge. The reasons being the original wouldn't translate well to an international audience hence the the time travelling plot, I remember seeing a trailer for the international version a long time ago, I wasn't aware there was an original cut so I just avoided the film because it looked dumb as hell.

I saw the original cut recently and found it immensely enjoyable.

I love 'The Swordsman' series even though Tsui Hark wasn't the director for those films, you could still feel his creativity behind it.
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