They were never the same after..... - Page 2

I proclaim my love for ItMoM in my first post in this thread. I'll repeat it now: I proclaim my love for In the Mouth of Madness. It is great. You are not alone.

I've never actually seen IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS. For that matter I haven't seen BODY BAGS or VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED (which always looks dull as dirt on TV). So when I mentioned GHOSTS OF MARS being a highlight for Carpenter it's when compared to the 1-2 letdown punch of ESCAPE FROM L.A. and VAMPIRES. VAMPIRES was fun for the first 30 minutes but once Woods' team is killed it goes into the tank.

I have seen Revolver twice and it is a tour de force, in 5 years it will be looked upon greatly just as I believe The Life Aquatic will

Statham has never been better, Liota has a henry hill vibe but upon second viewing it disappers, Andre 3000 does the best job I think of any musician in a movie in the past 10 years.

The cinematography is top notch, the editing is quite igneious, its a thinking mans arthouse gangster movie, and I think that pissed alot of people off, general audiences and mainstream critics dont want to fess up to thier intelligance so unfornetly we must be hit over the head everytime we venture into the theatre

my .02 cents

On a personal level, I'm sure that's true, but I'm pretty sure you're not a friend of theirs. All I'm saying is that the two films they've made in that time is too soon for a statement like "They were never the same after..."

In the Mouth Of Madness is a good Carpenter film, and easily a billion times better than Village of the Damned (which is, in my opinion, his only film without rewatch merit). Also, ITMOM is about the only film of his in the past 15 years that doesn't look (this is going to sound terrible) cheap since Dean Cundey stopped working with him. Cundey's work was so freakin gorgeous...

While I didn't like In the Mouth of Madness at the time, in light of what's come since, I'd have to say that it's pretty damn watchable by comparison. I seem to remember feeling that it had too many "weird for the sake of being weird, but not really relevant to the story" moments. It does, however, have one of the more memorable visuals of the last several years, when Jurgen Prochnow tears his face away to reveal another dimension. So at least Carpenter was still showing some great imagination at that point.

ok. i disagree.

I have to echo that Ritchie's marrying Madonna seems to have done something to him.
And I am getting so freaking tired of the "Revolver" fanboys out there...the whole dozen of them.....telling me that the reason that the film has been such a box office and critical disaster is that people are too stupid to understand it.
BTW it was not just the mainstream critics who panned the film..the vast majority of the "arty" critics hated it just as much.

hasnt Revolver only been shown in the US at Tortonto?

so that sure is leaving alot of critics out of the picture?

sure Snatch Statham is more charismatic, actually its dripping with charisma that I wish some fell off at hit him in Transpoter 1 and 2, but Revolver is a totally diffrent level

I wold like to see a Scorsese and a Chris Nolan review of this movie

Tell me, which US state is Toronto based in precisely?

Jesus.

No, he said Tortonto, which as we all know, is in Wyoming. The famous Tortonto, Wyoming Film Festival.

In regards to John Carpenter's VILLAGE OF THE DAMNED, it was all politics.

I mean first thing, this was back when ALPHAVILLE really screwed everyone over. They shit canned George Romero from THE MUMMY remake, only later to hire Stephen Sommers. They promised Carpenter that if he directed the CHILDREN OF THE DAMNED remake, they would let him direct the CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON remake - which is what he really wanted.

Early into production, they slashed the budget on CHILDREN OF THE DAMNED. Then they reneged on their promise to let him direct CREATURE, leaving him midway through a production on a project he never wanted in the first place.

He never worked with Universal again.

Incidently, I loved IN THE MOUTH OF MADNESS and VAMPIRES, but didn't like GHOSTS OF MARS - primarily because of the editing. The swipes and the washes - looked like an NYC public access broadcast. I get what they were trying to do in the editing room, a CREEPSHOW sort of thing. BUt, if they just played the film straight, without fucking with the narrative through the constant use of flashbacks, it would have made the film great.

I just hope, given a decade or so, Carpenter will go back and reedit the the damn thing, and fix the narrative.

The Cohens have sold out out, pure and simple. Fuck Studio money! Unless it`s something like The Hudsucker Proxy and just like take their money and abuse of the power they`ve given you.

Claire Danes in Terminator 3

Not true. She's excellent in SHOPGIRL.

Not to mention that "Revolver" was ripped a new one by both British and French critics,and has flopped with the public in both countries.
"Revolver" is an even bigger fiasco then "Swept Away" for Ritchie, sadly.
And I say this more in sorrow then anger, since I loved both "Lock" and "Snatch". But the guy seems to have done a crash and burn since hooking up with Madonna.

On the Pacino issue - I think he gets a bad rep for a lot of his work. I think there was a time where he lost his way but he's come to a realisation that he can work both the mainstream and personal side of things.

Even 'People I know', while not being too great a film has a pretty good nuanced Pacino performance and as has been mentioned already - he's fantastic in 'Merchant of Venice'. It's just a shame that Deniro hasn't come to that point yet. It's like he stopped one day and said "I can get paid a ton of money for any old shit" and that sadly seems to be his whole philosophy.

With regards to the Coen bothers. From what I was told their experience on 'To the White Sea' has scarred them quite a bit. It seems to have taken something right out of them. 'The Ladykillers' is a horrible film that only has two things going for it. The Visuals and Tom Hanks, the latter of which tries his hardest to save the film. It's come to the point now where one of their scripts is going to be directed by Clooney instead of them. I can't recall it's title but Clooney described it as a 'real black comedy'.