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post #1 of 32
11/15/05 at 9:04pm
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D'oh.

My boss used my account at Deep Discount DVD to get some flicks (She's sort of dense- doing it this way was easier then setting up an account for her). I knew she would round up on the check she paid me back with, so I padded out the orders with some the cheaper stuff on my wishlist. Toys, and the DTS version of the Shadow.

Imagine my surprise, when i discovered upon the discs' receipt that the Shadow wasn't widescreen. Upon further review, there is no widescreen release.

Granted, this isn't like finding out the only version of Seven Samurai that exists is colorized and Mifune was dubbed by Mel Blanc (hey, wait a sec...), but's slightly a let down.

Are there any other pan'n'scan only offenders I should be made aware of?
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post #2 of 32
11/15/05 at 10:14pm

hmm..

Charley Varrick, this awesome Walther Matthau flick from the seventies, finally got released...but only in pan and scan!!! It's great. I saw it Widescreen...on Turner Classic Movies.
Yeah, i'm miffed about the shadow not being widescreen. Howevever, i had it on queue at Nicheflix.com and they had it in another region at 1:85.
Also, Timecop, American Ninja and Remo Williams: the adventure begins are all p and s over here... classics though they may be.
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post #3 of 32
11/15/05 at 10:22pm
The pan and scan only ones that tick me off are:

SUDDEN DEATH
TIMECOP
GUNMEN
ARMY OF ONE
FORTRESS
SHOWDOWN IN LITTLE TOKYO
ACTION JACKSON
THE DELTA FORCE
JOHNNY HANDSOME

I would imagine that most of these could be available at some point in widescreen. FULL METAL JACKET is another one I would have added to the list but Kubrick intended it to be viewed full frame.
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post #4 of 32
11/15/05 at 10:26pm
The only ones for me that comes to mind are Grumpy and Grumpier Old Men. I doubt they'll ever get the Widescreen treatment as I'm sure they're not high on anyone's wish list, but I LOVE these films and am sad I can't see em in Widescreen.
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post #5 of 32
11/15/05 at 10:38pm
I watched Ben-Hur in pan-and-scan once...my eyes attempted to threaten me with unspeakable acts of violence on my cranium.

No, really.
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post #6 of 32
11/15/05 at 10:45pm
Red Scorpion

Return to Snowy River
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post #7 of 32
11/15/05 at 11:00pm
Extreme Prejudice
Innocent Blood
Fair Game (although the R3 is in anamorphic ws, curiously enough)
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post #8 of 32
11/16/05 at 12:43am
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Originally Posted by samuraisix
Charley Varrick, this awesome Walther Matthau flick from the seventies, finally got released...but only in pan and scan!!! It's great. I saw it Widescreen...on Turner Classic Movies.
Yeah, i'm miffed about the shadow not being widescreen. Howevever, i had it on queue at Nicheflix.com and they had it in another region at 1:85.
Also, Timecop, American Ninja and Remo Williams: the adventure begins are all p and s over here... classics though they may be.
I'm not saying I know this for sure, but I heard that Charley Varrick was released full frame and not pan and scan. That would mean that you actually have more information available than the (cropped) widescreen release.

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The transfer is okay and because Charley Varrick is a 1:85 film made widescreen by cropping, the full-frame aspect ratio shows more top and bottom without cropping left and right. On a normal television this leaves the action orphaned in the middle of the frame. Compositions are non-existent, as in an old-fashioned TV movie (many modern TV dramas are letterbox-widescreen now). Widescreen TV owners have the choice of watching a teeny image area swimming in the center of their 16:9 screens, or blowing up and cropping the image to 1:78, which results in a slightly blurry picture akin to watching so-so cable television.
LINK
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post #9 of 32
11/16/05 at 1:04am
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
FULL METAL JACKET is another one I would have added to the list but Kubrick intended it to be viewed full frame.
I have a HD set and nothing pisses me off more than having to windowbox 4x3 images. If it's a shit pan and scan movie, or a 4x3 television show, I'll bite the bullet; but with my Kubrick collection, I zoom in, cropping the image to roughly 1.77:1--Kubrick's wishes be damned! Besides, most were theatrically exhibited at around 1.85 (at least his later films), so it's not total sacrilege.

What really gets me about that collection though are his films that are NATIVE 1.75ish (e.g. Barry Lyndon, Lolita, Clockwork Orange) and are still non-anamorphic. That just doesn't make any sense.
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post #10 of 32
11/16/05 at 2:04am
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Originally Posted by Matt Halbauer

Imagine my surprise, when i discovered upon the discs' receipt that the Shadow wasn't widescreen. Upon further review, there is no widescreen release.
Yeah I actually bought the Region 2 1.85:1 DVD. The US Release of the shadow is a piece of shit.
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post #11 of 32
11/16/05 at 2:40am
Midnight Clear. Goddamnit.
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post #12 of 32
11/16/05 at 3:56am
I think Revenge of the Ninja was released fullscreen. Sho needs to kick someone's ass.
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post #13 of 32
11/16/05 at 11:51am
Ace Ventura: Pet Detective.
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post #14 of 32
11/16/05 at 1:55pm
I concur. That is probably my favorite Carrey film and WB has never released it in widescreen.

DVDCompare.net says that the Region 2 disc is widescreen though.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004D2Y3/
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post #15 of 32
11/16/05 at 2:21pm
One of my friends who is heavily into animation is pissed that The Powerpuff Girls Movie has only been released in full-screen. He mentions not only was it widescreen in the theaters, Cartoon Network occasionally plays it in widescreen.
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post #16 of 32
11/16/05 at 3:44pm
ARTHUR is one of my all-time favorite films and it's gotten a crappy DVD release. Full frame. They need a good special edition of that.
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post #17 of 32
11/16/05 at 4:25pm
If I can't find it in its original aspect ratio, I generally refuse to buy it. That's why I also tend to refuse to watch some of my favorite movies on cable.
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post #18 of 32
11/16/05 at 4:54pm
Fearless is full-frame only. Not sure if it's pan-and-scan or not, though. In any case, ruining Peter Weir's compositions is a crime.
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post #19 of 32
11/16/05 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by Electrichead
I think Revenge of the Ninja was released fullscreen. Sho needs to kick someone's ass.
I think this one was shot open-matte, so you're getting more picture than when it played on theater screens. Or something like that.
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post #20 of 32
11/16/05 at 5:51pm
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Originally Posted by PodBayDoor
Fearless is full-frame only. Not sure if it's pan-and-scan or not, though. In any case, ruining Peter Weir's compositions is a crime.
Strange given that the Laserdisc was released in widescreen. Rosie Perez is reigned in by Weir so it thankfully wasn't in wideSCREAM. Damn does her voice hurt my brain.
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post #21 of 32
11/16/05 at 5:55pm
Frantic. I heard that England's dvd is widescreen, and I'm sure it's not on Warner's list of movies that need new dvds.
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post #22 of 32
11/16/05 at 7:31pm
Mary Shelley's Frankenstein (w/ De Niro and Branaugh). I've never been able to determine if this one was intended for Wide or Full screen, but there's certainly no widescreen DVD out there for R1.
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post #23 of 32
11/16/05 at 8:50pm
Deathtrap with Michael Caine and Christopher Reeve. Full-screen only.
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post #24 of 32
11/17/05 at 3:42pm
Boiling Point, with Wesley Snipes, Dennis Hopper, and Viggo.
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post #25 of 32
12/6/05 at 5:16pm
Get this... I went to the local Blockbuster in my town a long time ago, asking the manager if he had a copy of what I believe was "The Life of David Gale" in widescreen. The guy then told me that he didn't get it in widescreen, and won't be getting much more movies in widescreen becasue he didn't like it. WTF is that all about. that was the last time I was in there. Can Blockbuster managers MAKE that call, or was he just trying to look cool in his own little way?
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post #26 of 32
12/6/05 at 5:39pm
My video store of choice only carries the full-frame version of Stir of Echoes, and they're usually pretty keen when it comes to such things. If there's a proper version, I haven't seen it.

True Stories isn't available in widescreen either.
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post #27 of 32
12/6/05 at 6:09pm
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Originally Posted by PatrickBateman
Get this... I went to the local Blockbuster in my town a long time ago, asking the manager if he had a copy of what I believe was "The Life of David Gale" in widescreen. The guy then told me that he didn't get it in widescreen, and won't be getting much more movies in widescreen becasue he didn't like it. WTF is that all about. that was the last time I was in there. Can Blockbuster managers MAKE that call, or was he just trying to look cool in his own little way?

Yeah, i think they can order however they want. I knew Lloyd Kaufman was right-- Blockbuster is a devil-worshipping conglomerate!
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post #28 of 32
12/6/05 at 6:59pm
My Blockbuster is adamantly for widescreen releases only, despite what the fullframe-demanding mouth-breathers who shop there want. Next person who complains about "how tiny it is on their 27-inch TV" is going to get whacked over the head with my 15-inch TV. If I can hang with widescreen, YOU can hang with widescreen.
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post #29 of 32
12/9/05 at 1:09pm
People who like full screen scare me.
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post #30 of 32
12/9/05 at 4:04pm
About two days back, amidst the blowing snow and ice, I happened to be in my local Best Buy doing the Xmas-shopping-thing, and poking around in the Xbox 360 and DVD departments for meself.

I keep seeing this woman walking back-and-forth, back-and-forth, squinting at the shelves, occasionally whipping out her cell phone to yammer at some unfortunate yutz on the other end.

A few minutes later, I'm winding my way through the crowds up to the front checkouts, when this same woman reappears, frantically gesticulating to a hapless employee:
"...Where's Cinderella Man in FULL-FRAME, 'cuz I just *GOTTA* see it in FULL-FRAME!?!"
In what is, in 20/20 hindsight, now regarded by myself as perhaps a very unwise move, I interjected myself into the conversation, and she and I and the employee had words.

Had to go wash myself out afterward. Mouth-breathers like that should be prohibited by law from so much as *touching* a DVD ever again, and should just go back to their jobs on the taco assembly line (and expose their open genitals to microwave rays).

They're like tits on a bull; I have utterly no use for them.
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post #31 of 32
12/9/05 at 9:05pm
Udderly
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post #32 of 32
1/9/06 at 2:50am
Quote:
Originally Posted by sawalter
Mary Shelley's Frankenstein (w/ De Niro and Branaugh). I've never been able to determine if this one was intended for Wide or Full screen, but there's certainly no widescreen DVD out there for R1.

Yes there is.

Right Here

It's a flipper. Widescreen (1:85:1) on one side, Full Screen on the other.
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