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post #51 of 73
12/8/05 at 8:44am
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte
My Darling Clementine
Ah, how could I forget?
Generally considered the best Wyatt Earp-film, and one of the great westerns.

And Prankster, you mean to say you haven't seen The Good, the Bad and the Ugly? If you had, I think you would be more prepared for how great OUATITW would be. That is an *absolute* must-see. OUATITW is a little better, but they are definitely in the same ballpark.
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post #52 of 73
12/8/05 at 11:56am
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Originally Posted by The Prankster
Other than the western theme and the marauding savages, I don't see it. Explain.
I think that the diverse group of people thrown together, many of them out of place on the frontier, is a pretty direct throwback to Stagecoach.
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post #53 of 73
12/8/05 at 12:10pm
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Originally Posted by Andre Dellamorte
Seven Men From Now (seconding the Ranown love, Budd Boeticher is a master)
Just saw that this is out on DVD (finally!) in a couple weeks. Was sad there wasn't one a couple years ago to capitalize on the KILL BILL connection (Boetticher is as big an influence on Tarantino as Leone) but this will do. Now if we could get the rest, I'll be thrilled.
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post #54 of 73
12/8/05 at 12:23pm
Tombstone has always been a favorite of mine and Open Range is great too. I even enjoy Young Guns for it's cast and 80s kind of vibe. There are a lot of older westerns I have yet to see. I've never seen Lonesome Dove (and I should), but there's a Bed and Breakfast I stayed at near Mystic, Connecticut called Lonesome Dove. A husband and wife run the place and they named it after his love of the movie. As an aside, the wife cooked up some of the best breaksfast I've ever had.
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post #55 of 73
12/8/05 at 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by Russ Fischer
Just saw that this is out on DVD (finally!) in a couple weeks. Was sad there wasn't one a couple years ago to capitalize on the KILL BILL connection (Boetticher is as big an influence on Tarantino as Leone) but this will do. Now if we could get the rest, I'll be thrilled.
There's a TCM documentary this month on Boetticher titled "A Man Can Do That," featuring interviews with Tarantino. Airs on the 21st, along with "Seven Men From Now."

http://turnerclassicmovies.com/ThisM...111473,00.html
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post #56 of 73
12/8/05 at 1:12pm
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Originally Posted by Lee Harvey Cobblepot
And Prankster, you mean to say you haven't seen The Good, the Bad and the Ugly? If you had, I think you would be more prepared for how great OUATITW would be. That is an *absolute* must-see. OUATITW is a little better, but they are definitely in the same ballpark.
That's the order I tackled them in. I was blown away by how much I loved The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, and was prepared for, but still blown away that I loved Once Upon A Time in the West even more. The fact that I've managed to miss out on these for so long is a crime. The opening of Once Upon..., in which a group of men simply wait for a train, is sheer cinematic genius. And who knew Henry Fonda could be such a complete shit on screen?
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post #57 of 73
12/8/05 at 2:16pm
I'd add Fulci's Massacre Time and Four Of The Apocalypse. Very different, bold and grim death in/of the west.

Ox Bow Incident is a marvel, as Russ says.

On the road less travelled, I really love Delmer Daves' 3:10 To Yuma and Ford's Two Rode Together with Jimmy Stewart playing playing "an amoral whore-mongering marshal". Ralph Nelson's Duel At Diablo is also sharp, pulp treat.
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post #58 of 73
12/8/05 at 3:42pm
3:10 is so crackerjack, and feels like Elmore's rough draft for Out of Sight. There's a Brokeback Mountain joke in there somewhere.
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post #59 of 73
12/8/05 at 7:17pm
I can't believe no one's mentioned ROAD HOUSE, the greatest Western ever made.

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post #60 of 73
12/9/05 at 2:44am
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Well it could have laid claim to being the most homoerotic western ever made, but Brokeback Mountain is gonna fuck that all up.
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post #61 of 73
12/9/05 at 5:34am
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Originally Posted by Nigel St. Buggering
That's the order I tackled them in. I was blown away by how much I loved The Good, The Bad and the Ugly, and was prepared for, but still blown away that I loved Once Upon A Time in the West even more. The fact that I've managed to miss out on these for so long is a crime. The opening of Once Upon..., in which a group of men simply wait for a train, is sheer cinematic genius. And who knew Henry Fonda could be such a complete shit on screen?
OUATITW is a master director at the top of his game. And the thing about TGTBATU is that it's so easy to like. It's very entertaining, but doesn't have the emotional resonance that OUATITW has.
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post #62 of 73
12/9/05 at 6:24am
Has The Searchers been recommended? No? Well, that is at the top of the list of must-sees you haven't seen.

Anybody else ever heard the story that Lee Van Cleef, the villain from For a Few Dollars More, and Eli Wallach were all set to cameo as the three riders during the train scene at the beginning of Once Upon a Time in the West, but ultimately were written out of the project when Clint Eastwood decided not to do the film?

Also, you should see the Searchers.

Nobody's mentioned Pale Rider, an underloved flick that I still enjoy watching every once in a while.
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post #63 of 73
12/9/05 at 9:53am
I will reinforce Dre's mention of El Chuncho/Bullet for the General, which is one of the most splendid representatives of the "zapata western" sub-genre. Also worthy of mentions: Enzo Castellari's Keoma, starring Franco Nero as an Indian half-blood coming back to his hometown to settle a score with his three racist and ruthless brothers, and Giulo Questi's "Se Sei Vivo Spara" (US title: Django Kill: If you live, shoot!) which starts out as a traditional western before veering into surrealistic horror.
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post #64 of 73
12/9/05 at 1:49pm
How about sci-fi/western combos?

Back to the Future 3: Maybe not as perfect as the first one.

Timerider: Another timetraveling yarn, this time with Fred Ward who goes back in time and has hot incest sex with his granma.

Westworld: Yul Brynner reprises his role from Magnificent Seven, but this time he´s a frickin robot! Writer and director Michael Chrichton later recycled the plot for Jurassic Park, replacing the cowboys with dinosaurs.

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Originally Posted by Straxboy - An Anthony Hickox Film
I'd add Fulci's Massacre Time and Four Of The Apocalypse. Very different, bold and grim death in/of the west.
I love Fulci´s horrorfilms but i´ve never seen any of his spaghetti westerns, i´m thinking of buying some of them soon.
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post #65 of 73
12/9/05 at 4:36pm
I have to agree with Andre that the 19th Century American setting is an essential part of the Western.
"Jerimiah Johnson" has not been mentioned and that is really good film dealing with the Mountain Man era.
I consider any film dealing with the American Frontier in the 1800's to be a western, unlike some intellectual wannabes who try to limit it to the "Cowboy" era.
And I would go so far as to say that some films dealing with the real early AMerican frontier "Drums Along the Mohawk" are a sort of Western in that they deal with people coping with the frontier.
And Anthony Mann made a couple of damn good westerns with stars other then Stewert ..Gary Cooper in "Man Of The West" and Henry Fonda in "The Tin Star".
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post #66 of 73
12/9/05 at 4:45pm
That definition excludes The Wild Bunch. And a lot of other good, "disappearing frontier" westerns.
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post #67 of 73
12/9/05 at 7:17pm
Check out "Seven Men from Now" when it finally arrives on DVD on 12/20.

It's a solid flick directed by probably the most underrated Western director Budd Boetticher.

Other westerns that would say are worthy to include would be:

The Long Riders
The Man from Laramie (Anthony Mann is a genius)
My Darling Clementine

and

Cimarron (If you can find a decent copy of the original 1931 western)
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post #68 of 73
12/9/05 at 8:30pm
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Originally Posted by Anderson
Check out "Seven Men from Now" when it finally arrives on DVD on 12/20.

It's a solid flick directed by probably the most underrated Western director Budd Boetticher.

Other westerns that would say are worthy to include would be:

The Long Riders
The Man from Laramie (Anthony Mann is a genius)
My Darling Clementine

and

Cimarron (If you can find a decent copy of the original 1931 western)
"Man From Laramie" was included in my and Andre's recommendation of the entire Mann/Stewart opus, but it certainly deserved a mention of it's own.
"Cimmarron" ....a decent version of the 1931 film is shown on Turner Classic Movies (IMHo the best fucking cable film channel out there) but it really does need a full scale restoration job.
I am a huge Anthony Mann fan, a would also like to see some really quality DVD's of his epic films of the early 60"s "El Cid" and "Fall Of The Roman Empire" come out. You can get a OK DVD version on Amazon in a regionless version from Malaysia, but the quality of the transfere is acceptable, nothing more, and these films deserve first class treatment.
"Gladiator", in many ways, is really a remake of 'Fall Of The ROman Empire".

Vis a vis "The Long RIders" it will interesting to see what they come up with in "The Dirty Little Coward", the newest Hollywood take on Jesse James, with Brad Pitt as Jesse.
BTW the title has been changed to "The Assasination of Jesse James By The Coward Bob Ford" and I suspect the final title will be something shorter .
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post #69 of 73
12/11/05 at 3:14am
I noticed that I stepped on a few previous suggestions after I posted my reply.

But, I found out that Cimarron is coming out on DVD from Warner Home Video either the last week of January or the first week of February.
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post #70 of 73
12/12/05 at 8:59pm
Hannie Caulder was a suprising corker. A Raquel Welsh revenge flick, far tougher than you'd expect and with a brilliant cast. Are there any more in this sub-genre (Sharon Stone aside...)
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post #71 of 73
12/21/05 at 5:59am
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Originally Posted by Nigel St. Buggering
The opening of Once Upon..., in which a group of men simply wait for a train, is sheer cinematic genius.
One of the greatest openings in film history and a great example of Leone at his deliberate best. That's part of his power. The man was not afraid of making a scene draw out as long as was necessary to get the effect he desired and this was a scene where his skill shone bright.
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post #72 of 73
12/21/05 at 12:18pm
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Originally Posted by Troutio
Hannie Caulder was a suprising corker. A Raquel Welsh revenge flick, far tougher than you'd expect and with a brilliant cast. Are there any more in this sub-genre (Sharon Stone aside...)
I love this movie for so many reasons. Robert Culp does a great job of underplaying the hero who tries to keep Racquel Welch from going down the wrong path and pays for his folly. The character's one of my favorites from my admittedly-limited experience with westerns.

And if no one else has mentioned it, clear the palate after all the spagetti westerns and John Wayne fodder with Blazing Saddles. You'll be ready for some Mel Brooks ribbing by the time you're through.
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post #73 of 73
12/21/05 at 4:08pm
Have A Man Called Horse or Little Big Man been recommended? If not then they should be.
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