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post #101 of 4341
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Martianman, it looks like you are getting your Olaf wish. According to The Pride FC Official Website, Olaf Anderson is on the next Bushido card on June 4. He's scheduled to get his lead leg snapped in half by Mach Sakurai's leg kicks.

Oh yeah, I almost forgot that that UFC 60 is this Saturday. They have a decent card lined up, headlined by Matt Hughes v. Royce Gracie (the fights on the main card are in bold):

Matt Hughes v. Royce Gracie (175 lb limit, non-title fight)
Brandon Vera v. Assuerio Silva
Mike Swick v. Joe Riggs
Diego Sanchez v. John Allesio
Melvin Guillard v. Rick Davis
Spencer Fisher v. Matt Wiman
Dean Lister v. Allesio Sakara
Gabriel Gonzaga v. Fabiano Scherner
Jeremy Horn v. Chael Sonnen

Vera-Silva and Swick-Riggs are going to be monster fights. Someone is getting knocked out. If Vera beats Silva, he will automatically become a contender for the HW belt. While Gonzaga-Scherner might be kind of a slow, methodical BJJ fight and Hughes-Gracie has the possibility of ending up with manslaughter charges being brought against the WW Champ, I see a bunch of really good matchups.

Edited to show fights on main card (i.e., guaranteed to be televised).
post #102 of 4341
OLAF! OLAF! OLAF! Maybe his nose will actually come off in this fight. I wonder how long his hair and beard will be when he fights. "Olaf weighs in at 155 pounds...with beard and hair, 160."



This is how he got killed in the last fight I saw him in:

With a kick


And a nasty punch:
post #103 of 4341
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If you like quick brutal knockouts and slick submissions, UFC 60 was a great show. Only one of the nine fights went to a decision. It was also the only fight that went into the third round.

John Allesio took Diego Sanchez the distance behind his jab and takedown defense. Diego pushed the fight all three rounds, trying takedown after takedown. Allesio stuffed every single one. Alessio threw stiff jabs, but didn't use any combinations. Neither fighter really did anything to hurt the other until the surreal final 3 minutes. In the clinch, Diego took Alessio's back, climbing up and getting hooks in. Allesio calmly carried Diego over to Allesio's corner where Jeremy Horn started giving instructions. Allesio attempted an odd-looking arm bar while Diego worked hard for a rear naked choke. They remained in this piggyback position for the final few minutes as Diego gave up on the choke attempts and unleashed a flury of punches to Allesio's head to close out the fight. Diego won the unanimous decision as Allesio made no real attempts to close out the fight. The crowd booed, but I saw no way Allesio was going to take this fight with just takedown defense.

Brandon Vera submitted Assuerio Silva via guillotine choke in the first round. They traded low kicks and quick jabs early, until Vera accidentally poked Silva in the eye. After a break, Silva came out angry and agressive. As Silva shot from a good distance away, Vera grabbed Silva's head, pulled guard, and sunk in the choke. This is a huge win for Vera, who finally showed his great submission skills.

Mike Swick also used the guillotine choke to end his fight with Joe Riggs in the first round. The fighters circled each other for the first minute, before Swick stepped in to throw some quick combinations. Riggs shot in and got caught. Swick gets a quality win and puts himself on track for a title shot in the next year or so.

Dean Lister completely outclassed Allesio Sakara, slapping on a slick triangle choke early in the first round. Lister took the boxer down early and put on a guard clinic. After using the omoplata shoulderlock to improve position, he set up the move a second time. When Sakara moved to defend, Lister transitioned smoothly to a triangle choke, forcing Sakara to tap. After the fight, Lister said he would be dropping down to 185.

In the main event Matt Hughes punished Royce Gracie, getting the TKO late in the first round. Royce, fighting for the first time in MMA without his gi, started out throwing solid leg kicks. Matt quickly took Royce to the ground and landed in the side mount. Matt went for a kimura, then used his arms to straighten out Gracies left arm, apparently hyperextending Royce's elbow. When Royce refused to tap, Hughes changed strategies. Hughes went for the mount and Royce gave up his back, attempting to roll out of a bad position. Hughes defended the escape and ended up with rear mount. After Hughes landed about ten unanswered punches to Royce's head, Big John McCarthy stepped in to stop the fight.

On the undercard, Melvin Guillard knocked out Rick Davis in the first, Jeremy Horn submitted Cael Sonnen via armbar in the second, Gabriel Gonzaga got the TKO on Fabiano Scherner in the second, and Spencer Fisher knocked out Matt Wiman with a brutal flying knee.
post #104 of 4341
Hopefully the UFC will quit propping up Riggs. He's been a televised fight in the last few UFC events and gets his shit handed to him consistently. All in all, good fights if not quick ones. You had to watch the undercard fights at the end if you wanted to see any knockouts though. And Hughes flat out dominated Gracie. That was a first class ass-kicking. Not sure who will be next for Hughes, maybe GSP again, but he's clearly on another level from his competition. As Rogan says, "he has freakish gorilla strength".
post #105 of 4341
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Originally Posted by sweaterbydarwin
Hopefully the UFC will quit propping up Riggs. He's been a televised fight in the last few UFC events and gets his shit handed to him consistently. All in all, good fights if not quick ones. You had to watch the undercard fights at the end if you wanted to see any knockouts though. And Hughes flat out dominated Gracie. That was a first class ass-kicking. Not sure who will be next for Hughes, maybe GSP again, but he's clearly on another level from his competition. As Rogan says, "he has freakish gorilla strength".
Riggs is still kind of young and has a unique personality. Like Nick Diaz, he'll keep getting more shots than he probably deserves based on his performances.

Hughes is set to fight GSP in either September or October. The UFC is hoping to schedule the event in Canada. I just wonder at this point if anyone at 170 can beat Hughes. I'm pretty high on GSP right now, but Hughes is just so versatile. I think GSP's best chance is to keep it on the feet, use his reach advantage and score enough points to take the decision. GSP isn't going to outwrestle Hughes and I don't see him sneaking a submission past Hughes's defense. Then again, even though it started with a kick to the groin, Trigg almost finished Hughes with a choke in their second fight. And of course BJ Penn choked out Hughes a couple years ago. I just think that Matt has evolved since the Penn fight.
post #106 of 4341
I actually think they should've let the Hughes/Gracie fight go on longer. Royce wasn't fighting back really but he wasn't that hurt, he's a go hard gangster like that. I wonder how bad his arm is hurt from that kimura, I'm always entertained by Gracie's refusing to tap. I remember in a Pride event, I think it was Renzo but I can't keep them straight, had his arm completely dislocated via kimura by maybe Sakuraba or somebody and he was completely cool with it, like he dislocates his elbows on a regular basis, he wasn't even close to tapping but the ref stopped it because it looked freaky. I want to see Hughes face somebody with punching power since his standup isn't that great, of course he'll probably just take them down.

voight, I like how when I go to Kreese you go from the get em a bodybag guy to Sexual Chocolate, Cobra Kai will never die.
post #107 of 4341
I just saw the Hughes vs. Gracie fight the other night. And just like I expected Matt Hughes completely dominated Royce.

I believe Hughes is in line to defend his WW Championship against Georges St. Pierre in September or October.

GSP did really well in his first fight against Hughes until he got caught in a submission. I think Hughes will win again though. He's in a completely different stratusphere since that lose to B.J. Penn.
post #108 of 4341
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Time to resurrect this thread as we have a big two weeks of events coming up. June 24 (tomorrow) is the finale of the Ultimate Fighter 3 on Spike TV. Before the card, they are running an all-day marathon of the show.
-Kenny Florian vs. Sam Stout
-Keith Jardine vs. Wilson Gouveia
-TUF Light-Heavyweight Finals: Michael Bisping vs. Josh Haynes
-TUF Middleweight Finals: Ed Herman vs. Kendall Grove
-Matt Hamill vs. Jesse Forbes
-Kalib Starnes vs. Danny Abaddi
-Rory Singer vs. Ross Pointon
-Solomon Hutcherson vs. Luigi Fioravanti
-Mike Nickels vs. Wes Combs

On June 28, we have Ultimate Fight Night with a pretty decent card:
-Anderson Silva vs. Chris Leben
-Stephan Bonnar vs. Rashad Evans
-Luke Cummo vs. Jonathan Goulet
-Josh Koscheck vs. Dave Menne
-Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves
-Jorge Gurgel vs. Mark Hominick
-Jason Lambert vs. Branden Lee Hinkle
-Justin Levens vs. Jorge Santiago
-Kristian Rothaermel vs. Rob MacDonald

Silva-Leben will be a big fight. Former MW champ Dave Menne is back, as is Jorge Gurgel, who was a pretty good LW before moving up in weight for TUF 2.

On July 1 (2nd in the US) is the second round of Pride's Open Weight Grand Prix:
Second Round Tournament Match-Ups
-Mirko Cro Cop vs. Hidehiko Yoshida
-Wanderlei Silva vs. Kazuyuki Fujita
-Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira vs. Fabricio Werdum
-Josh Barnett vs. Mark Hunt

Non-Tournament Match-Ups
-Kazuhiro Nakamura vs. Evangelista "Cyborg" Santos
-Vitor Belfort vs. Yoshiki Takahashi
-Antonio Rogerio Nogueira vs. Alistair Overeem
-Yoshihiro Nakao vs. Lee Eun Su
-Pawel Nastula vs. Edson Drago

And a week later is UFC 61:
-Tim Sylvia vs. Andrei Arlovski
-Tito Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock
-Joe Stevenson vs. Yves Edwards (at 155 pounds)
-Frank Mir vs. Dan Christison
-Josh Neer vs. Josh Burkman
-Drew Fickett vs. Kurt Pellegrino
-Gilbert Aldana vs. Cheick Kongo
-Hermes Franca vs. Roger Huerta
-Jeff Monson vs. Anthony Perosh
post #109 of 4341
UFC 61 is a must see, as the urge to see Ortiz pound the shit out of Shamrock has been killing me since the Ultimate Fighter 3 came on.
post #110 of 4341
The WFA also had a decent card coming out which includes Rampage Jackson on July 22nd. I may go to that one but unsure at this time considering the price of tickets. Course finding it on PPV is a pain in the butt as well.
post #111 of 4341
Don't forget, Ultimate Fight Night tonight on Spike.
post #112 of 4341
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Here's the fight card with my predictions:

Anderson Silva vs. Chris Leben - Silva by TKO (cut) in Round 2. His elbows are deadlier than Loiseau's.

Stephan Bonnar vs. Rashad Evans - Bonnar by submission in Round 3. Expect it to be a boring fight

Luke Cummo vs. Jonathan Goulet - Goulet by Unanimous Decision

Josh Koscheck vs. Dave Menne - Koscheck by Unanimous Decision

Jon Fitch vs. Thiago Alves - Fitch by submission in Round 1.

Jorge Gurgel vs. Mark Hominick - Gurgel by submission Round 2

Jason Lambert vs. Branden Lee Hinkle - Lamber by KO Round 1

Justin Levens vs. Jorge Santiago - Levens by Unanimous Decision

Kristian Rothaermel vs. Rob MacDonald - Rob MacDonald by TKO in Round 1

Tomorrow we can laugh at how wrong I was. But seriously, Bonnar-Evans is going to be one boring fight.
post #113 of 4341
Wow, Chris got the shit beat out of him. He finally found someone's fists that his jaw didn't like. Silva was freakin' vicious. That last knee should've gone through Leben's head.

And the Bonnar/Evans fight wasn't that boring, but I can't believe the much taller Bonnar got flattened as many times as he did by Rashad.

Boo on the Gurgel decision. That guy he fought didn't do anything but run away from Jorge. He had what, 4 good shots in all 3 rounds? That was a boring fight to me.

EDIT: Holy cow, what a bomb by Cummo to start the 2nd round. Luke looked too winded to finish him off, though.
post #114 of 4341
HAHAHAH...that what you freakin get for making one of the most ignorant and stupid ass comments of all time with saying that Chris was going to beat Silva and he should go back to Japan where the talent is a little less fierce. That was SUH-WEET! Man I love it when the big mouths get rocked like they should.
post #115 of 4341
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Leben got smoked. Silva has some of the best striking skills of anyone in the business. With Leben's recent win streak, it was kind of easy to forget that this is a guy who went 0-2 on TUF Season 1, losing to two guys who have dropped down to the 170 (Koscheck) and 155 (Florian) weight classes. Leben got a reputation for having an iron chin, but had never really been hit that squarely on the button. He usually would absorb shots with his head and keep coming. Silva tagged him straight on the chin over and over. It's Leben's fault for coming in flat-footed with his arms out wide. Speaking of Silva, I hope we seen Silva-Marquardt in September, with the winner getting a shot at Franklin in November. Either way, Franklin will get a good challenge when he's all healed up.

Rashad is boring. He's a skilled wrestler, but his ground and pound sucks and he doesn't even try for submissions. He needs to get with a decent team pretty quickly to learn the skills he needs to actually finish a fight. As for Bonnar, after a Forrest rematch, he'll slip quietly into the IFL, WFA, Strikeforce, or some other up-and-coming organization for a while till he racks up some wins.

Okay. Pop quiz, hotshot. Your stand-up skills are average, but you are one of the most skilled BJJ experts in your weight class. You are fighting a good kickboxer who likes to knock people out, but has lost 3 fights by submission. What do you do, Jorge Gurgel? What do you do? Stand and trade the whole fight without trying to take it to the ground? Good strategy. How did that work for you?

We haven't gotten to see any of his 3 UFC fights, but the future of the 170 lb division may be Jon Fitch. He's on a 10 fight win streak dating back two years. In that time he has beaten UFC vets Thiego Alves, Josh Burkman, and Shonie Carter. He gave Brock Larson his only loss in his UFC debut. His only two losses are to Mike Pyle (who we will likely see in the UFC or Pride soon) in Fitch's first fight and Wilson Gouveia, a 205 pounder who almost beat Keith Jardine the other night.
post #116 of 4341
It sure was nice to see Anderson Silva make an absolute joke out of a douchebag like Chris Leben. If they fought 1000 times Silva would win 1000 times. Welcome to the big leagues Leben you fucking idiot.
post #117 of 4341
Bisping looks to be a beast, he killed that Haynes guy. Killed.

And Silva made putty out of Chris Leben. I like Leben, but I fear he's just a little to slow to be a serious contender to the throne (Rich Franklin).

I think Arlovski and Ortiz will come out of Saturday with victories.

All in all, it's been a good couple of weeks for MMA.
post #118 of 4341
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Originally Posted by sin-eater

All in all, it's been a good couple of weeks for MMA.
That's for sure...
post #119 of 4341
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Originally Posted by sin-eater
Bisping looks to be a beast, he killed that Haynes guy. Killed.

And Silva made putty out of Chris Leben. I like Leben, but I fear he's just a little to slow to be a serious contender to the throne (Rich Franklin).

I think Arlovski and Ortiz will come out of Saturday with victories.

All in all, it's been a good couple of weeks for MMA.
Agree 100%. Arlovski should be in pretty good shape for this fight mentally. If he wasn't overconfident coming into the last fight, he sure got that way when he dropped Sylvia mid-way through the first round. After the knockdown, he stopped moving sideways and came right at Sylvia, which is the dumbest thing you cand do against a flat-footed fighter like Sylvia. Arlovski will be a lot more cautious this time. He'll keep moving throughout the fight, using his quickness to land shots. I'll honestly be surprised if this one ends in the first round.

And Ortiz should pound on Shamrock till the ref saves him. I've never liked Ken or Tito, but Tito's definitely started to grow on me after TUF Season 3. The only real question for the fight will be how Tito's injured knee holds up. The only way I see Ken winning is if Tito blows out his knee in the fight.

And don't forget that the second round of Pride's Open Weight Tournament is happening tomorrow. Silva-Fujita should be a slugfest.
post #120 of 4341
The only thing I have to say on this topic is that the most famous athlete I've ever met in person is Andy Hug. Seemed really laidback.
post #121 of 4341
Gurgel is an idiot. Can't recall the last time he didn't go toe-to-toe with a striker. It was nice to see Leben get destroyed and I'm stoked the lightweights are back. Those are some of the best fights.
post #122 of 4341
Silva vs. Fujita should be interesting.

Wanderlei likes to chop people down with strikes, but I don't know if he can knock out Fujita, I think he'd be well served to take him down.
post #123 of 4341
Well Silva won, he fucked Fujita up from what I hear.

Cro Cop also won, Barnett subbed Hunt and Nog won as well.

From the looks of it, I hear it's going to be Barnett vs. Cro Cop and Silva vs. Nogeira.
post #124 of 4341
Well Silva won, he fucked Fujita up from what I hear.

Cro Cop also won, Barnett subbed Hunt and Nog won as well.

From the looks of it, I hear it's going to be Barnett vs. Cro Cop and Silva vs. Nogeira.
post #125 of 4341
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Originally Posted by sin-eater
Well Silva won, he fucked Fujita up from what I hear.

Cro Cop also won, Barnett subbed Hunt and Nog won as well.

From the looks of it, I hear it's going to be Barnett vs. Cro Cop and Silva vs. Nogeira.
The problem with the final round matchups is that Cro Cop has already faced all three of these guys. But he faced and beat Barnett twice in the last year or so. I'm thinking we'll see Barnett vs. Nogueira and Cro Cop v. Silva. Either way, it's going to be a good event. I think they would want to save the Cro Cop-Nogueira rematch for the finals. They are the #2 and #3 HWs in the world.

And Cro Cop fought Silva to a draw four years ago (although the consensus was that Silva won the fight). That would be an exciting fight. The best HW striker against the best MW striker. In reality, the two would probably come in at about the same weight. Cro Cop is a small HW and Silva won't have to cut. Barnett is one of the solid grapplers who Nogueira hasn't fought. That would be a decent match, as well.
post #126 of 4341
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Originally Posted by sin-eater
Well Silva won, he fucked Fujita up from what I hear.

Cro Cop also won, Barnett subbed Hunt and Nog won as well.

From the looks of it, I hear it's going to be Barnett vs. Cro Cop and Silva vs. Nogeira.
The problem with the final round matchups is that Cro Cop has already faced all three of these guys. But he faced and beat Barnett twice in the last year or so. I'm thinking we'll see Barnett vs. Nogueira and Cro Cop v. Silva. Either way, it's going to be a good event. I think they would want to save the Cro Cop-Nogueira rematch for the finals. They are the #2 and #3 HWs in the world.

And Cro Cop fought Silva to a draw four years ago (although the consensus was that Silva won the fight). That would be an exciting fight. The best HW striker against the best MW striker. In reality, the two would probably come in at about the same weight. Cro Cop is a small HW and Silva won't have to cut. Barnett is one of the solid grapplers who Nogueira hasn't fought. That would be a decent match, as well.
post #127 of 4341
I agree, Nog v Barnett would be an awesome sub contest while Crocop v Silva an awesome stand up. Is Fedor involved in this thing at all?
post #128 of 4341
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Well Silva won, he fucked Fujita up from what I hear.
He put a hurting on the guy, but when he knocked him down for the ref stoppage, Fujita stood back up and was like, "What? You stopped the fight?" And believe or not, I saw it on YouTube. Someone got it up there in a hurry. Just search for "Silva". I found it by accident.
post #129 of 4341
The torrent has already hit the net...
post #130 of 4341
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Originally Posted by swedish miyagi
Is Fedor involved in this thing at all?
No Fedor. They only had 7 opening round matchups with the plan of giving Fedor a first round bye due to a hand injury that's been bothering him for a few years. Fedor needed another surgery in May or June and wasn't healed up in time to fight in the second round. So, they gave his slot to Wanderlei Silva, who held out of the first round due to a contract dispute. Fedor will probably be fighting next in October at Pride's first US show in Las Vegas. No word on who he'll be fighting yet.

And YouTube is great about two days after a Pride event. You can see all the Grand Prix fights there now. By the end of the week, the videos will probably be removed.
post #131 of 4341
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UFC 61 is tomorrow night. Arlovski-Sylvia 3 is the main event, with Ortiz-Shamrock 2 as the third fight of the night.

Here is the card with my predictions:

Tim Sylvia vs. Andrei Arlovski - Arlovski by TKO in Rd. 2. Arlovski will be a lot more cautious here and will take his time to set up his shots. Arlovski will use his quickness and eventually drop Sylvia like he did in their two previous fights. Hopefully, this time Arlovski will actually finish Sylvia on the ground.

Tito Ortiz vs. Ken Shamrock - Ortiz by TKO Rd. 2. Expect brutal ground-and-pound. Only an injury to Tito (how bad is his knee?) or a stupid mistake will give Ken much of a chance here. Once Tito takes care of business here, he is next in line for a shot at the LHW belt.

Joe Stevenson vs. Yves Edwards - Stevenson by Unanimous Decision. Edwards is a seasoned fighter, but Stevenson is a big, aggressive LW. And Stevenson has been perfecting his wrestling and ground-and-pound with Tito and the boys at Team Punishment.

Frank Mir vs. Dan Christison - Mir by submission in Rd. 1. Mir looked bad in his last fight, but a lot of credit for that goes to his opponent, Cruz. Christison is a good fighter, but his sub defense isn't nearly good enough to survive Mir's excellent and aggressive submissions. It might take Mir a little time to shake of the ring rust, which could be a bad thing for Mir. Christison doesn't quit and if it goes beyond the second round, Mir's poor cardio could doom him to a decision loss.

Josh Neer vs. Josh Burkman - Burkman by TKO Rd. 1. This fight should be pure aggression from the start. Burkman wants to redeem himself after his loss to Fitch and Neer is looking to beat his third straight TUF alum. Neer has a tendancy to get in trouble early in his fights, but never gives up. Joe Stevenson had a tight knee bar on Neer, but Neer gutted it out, escaped and won the fight. If Burkman catches him, he will hurt Neer.

Drew Fickett vs. Kurt Pellegrino - Fickett by submission in Rd. 2.
Gilbert Aldana vs. Cheick Kongo - Aldana by TKO in Rd. 1
Hermes Franca vs. Joe Jordan - Franca by submission in Rd. 3.
Jeff Monson vs. Anthony Perosh - Monson by unanimous decision.
post #132 of 4341
Nice calls. My only change would be Ortiz winning by unanimous descision. After rewatcing their first matchup last night, I think it will take Shamrock having a heart attack for Tito to get a TKO. Instead, Shamrock is going to do nothing but defend against an Ortiz onslaught, tying him up with the patented Shamrock "clinch for dear life" inactivity. Tito won't take a single shot, and Shamrock will delusionaly think he got robbed despite an obvious descision for Ortiz.

Let's hope I'm wrong, and Tito bloodies his face so bad, he won't see for a week.
post #133 of 4341
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You're probably right on Ortiz-Shamrock. I'm just thinking of Shamrock's last two fights. He got knocked out by Franklin (no shame there) and by Sakuraba. He can be stopped. Of course Tito might not have the skills to stop him. The guy couldn't finish a gassed Vitor Belfort or Patrick Cote who is a natural 185 pounder. He pounded the hell out of Forrest in the first round, but couldn't close it out. I just think that Ken is going to get caught in a bad position going for a sub, allowing Tito to rain down elbows till the ref steps in. Or, it could turn out to be 15 minutes of rough cuddling.
post #134 of 4341
I can't wait to fire up youtube this weekend to see exactly how bad Shamrock gets his ass kicked.

Silva is quite a consolation for Fedor being out. I'd say my favorite three fighters to watch are Fedor, Silva, and Crocop.
post #135 of 4341
Well, overall, it was a ho-hum card to me. The Shamrock-Ortiz fight was disappointing in the fact that the ref stopped it so quick. Granted, Shamrock was getting pummelled by elbows, but it seemed like he was OK. Tito immediately said he's ready to take on Ken again (and it almost happened right after the fight was over, as Shamrock was ready to punch someone, anyone).

Arlovski-Silvia was a bit boring. 5 rounds of kickboxing, essentially. Arlovski definitely doesn't have a weak chin, as he took some brutal shots from Silvia and kept coming. But what he did best in the first round--short kicks to Silvia's knee--he stopped doing the rest of the fight. Silvia's knee was all red from Arlovski's kicks, but Arlovski never followed it up, and really never tried to take him down more than 1 or 2 times during the fight. It was hard to stay awake for the whole 5 rounds to be honest, as it was 1 AM when it was all over.

Burkman essentially dominated Neer. Neer kept motioning "bring it on" after Burkman would pelt him with combos, but Neer never did anything in response.

Mir defeated Christison in a unanimous decision. It could've gone either way, and Mir was freakin' gassed at the end. Couture seemed to cut his post-fight interview with him short because Mir could barely breath when he was answering questions.

The one "highlight"--the guy that fought Joe Stevenson got cut majorly on the head and friggin' bled EVERYWHERE in one corner of the octagon. It was nasty. His head looked like someone had taken a chisel and banged it one good time into his skull. He held out to the end of the round, then the doctors stopped it between rounds. My mom happened to be over, and she had to leave the room because of how bloody a mess it was.

Oh, and Dana White announced Wanderlei Silva vs. Chuck Liddell at UFC 63 (if Liddell retains his title at UFC 62 in August). Should be a great fight.
post #136 of 4341
I would've liked to see Tito put about 20 more elbows on Shamrock. Now Shamrock has something to bitch about as though he wouldn't have continued to get his ass kicked again. I think McCarthy might've been told to stop it quick so Shamrock doesn't become the posterboy for brain damage in mma, since he's already naturally retarded. I am extremely glad to hear about Liddel vs. Wanderlei, I've been eagerly waiting for that.

Anyone know when the next round of Pride GP is? That should be a great one.
post #137 of 4341
I would've liked to see Tito put about 20 more elbows on Shamrock. Now Shamrock has something to bitch about as though he wouldn't have continued to get his ass kicked again. I think McCarthy might've been told to stop it quick so Shamrock doesn't become the posterboy for brain damage in mma, since he's already naturally retarded. I am extremely glad to hear about Liddel vs. Wanderlei, I've been eagerly waiting for that.

Anyone know when the next round of Pride GP is? That should be a great one.
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Thanks for the write-up Martianman. And how do you like my new avatar?

I am absolutely disgusted with Frank Mir. He had 5 months to get in shape for this fight. Instead, he comes in 20-25 pounds above his usual fighting weight. All the weight was in his gut. Instead of talking about the fight, my friends and I took turns making fun of Mir's weight:
- The guy looks like he spent all of his time training at Krispey Kreme.
- Didn't Mir come in second in the hot dog eating contest last Tuesday?
- Is that a tattoo on his stomach or a stretch mark?
- He makes Sylvia look like he's in shape.
- Maybe we should all chip in and buy Frank a treadmill.

That decision he got was an absolute gift from the judges. A lot of times in 3 round MMA fights, the judges will split the first two rounds if neither fighter dominates the other. That way, the third round can decide it. That's probably what happened here. I thought Christison won the first two rounds, but barely. Mir clearly won the third. Mir has an insane amount of talent, but no work ethic. He was so gassed so quickly that any decent heavyweight with a killer instinct would have put him away in the first round.

Ortiz-Shamrock was as anticlimactic as I thought it would be. Was it stopped early? Maybe. But what the hell was Ken going to do from there besides take 20 more elbows and get knocked out? Ortiz-Shamrock 3? No thanks.

Sylvia and Arlovski did not come to fight. Arlovski was aggressive at first, then inexplicably backed off. Why didn't he keep up the leg kicks after the first round? Sylvia's leg was hurting three minutes into the fight. By the end of the second, Sylvia wouldn't have been able to stand. But Sylvia was happy just to sit back, jab, and counter when Arlovski came in. By the third round, it was clear neither one of these guys had any intention of trying to finish the fight.

Burkman-Neer was the war I thought it would be, as was Stevenson-Edwards. Thanks to Sylvia and Arlovski doing their best impression of Severn-Shamrock 2, we didn't get to see any of the four prelim fights, all of which ended with submissions or KOs. Pretty lackluster event. The highlight for me was the announcement of Liddell-Silva in November. I still have chills.
post #139 of 4341
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Originally Posted by swedish miyagi
I think McCarthy might've been told to stop it quick so Shamrock doesn't become the posterboy for brain damage in mma, since he's already naturally retarded.
That's the thing--McCarthy didn't ref the fight, the black guy with the long dreads did. And even Tito had mentioned in the pre-fight "chatter" about "McCarthy is going to have to pull me off Shamrock..." So I thought it was strange that guy was the ref and not McCarthy, as McCarthy did almost every other fight the whole night.

And jvc, love the new avatar. I saw it the other day and started laughing. OLAF!
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Just wanted you guys to see what Frank Mir has become. Frank last night compared to a shot from about 3 years ago:



And this is what was on his mind last night:



I really like Frank. He's got the potential to dominate the heavyweight division. He just needs to decide whether or not he is serious about his career. With Arlovski, Sylvia, Monson, Vera, Silva, Kongo, and other HWs who train their asses off, Mir can't coast by on talent alone. More time at the gym, less time at the Circus Circus Buffet.
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I guess we know now why Arloski's aggressiveness dropped off considerably after the first round. Sherdog.com is reporting that Arlovski's left knee was injured when he checked one of Sylvia's leg kicks in the second round. With his lead knee injured, he wasn't able to throw leg kicks or attempt to shoot, leaving boxing as his only real option for the final few rounds. He is on medical suspension from the NSAC till September and will be undergoing an MRI soon. He says his knee swelled to four times its normal size after the fight. He didn't mention the injury after the fight because he didn't want to make any excuses for his loss.
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Well it's been officially announced and it'll be Wanderlei Silva vs. Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic and Nogeira vs. Barnett in the next round of the Grand Prix.

And Karo Paryisan vs. Diego Sanchez is now official for the UFN event in August.
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Well it's been officially announced and it'll be Wanderlei Silva vs. Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic and Nogeira vs. Barnett in the next round of the Grand Prix.

And Karo Paryisan vs. Diego Sanchez is now official for the UFN event in August.
Cro Cop-Silva will be a war. I don't expect Silva to get caught with Cro Cop's famous left high kick (lhk), because Silva is always moving forward. Cro Cop catches guys who are standing still or retreating. Silva would be smart to clinch early and often, work the knees, and maybe even take the fight to the ground. Cro Cop will want to stand and trade. His kicks, both low and high, are deadly, but he has a tendency to rely too much on them. It's a little early for predictions, but I think Silva has a good chance of pulling this one out.

Nogueira-Barnett should be a good fight too. Barnett has decent standup, but can't really match Nogueira's boxing skills. Nogueira also has an iron chin, so it's doubtful Barnett will get the KO. Barnett's wrestling and takedowns are superior, but Nogueira is better with transitions and submissions. Barnett will likely end up with a dominant position once the fight goes to the ground. The fight will be determined by whether or not Barnett can take advantage of it. If he can, he may get a TKO by ground-and-pound or ride it out for a decision. If not, Nogueira will probably be able to lock on a submission.

Parisyan-Sanchez has the potential to be a better ground battle than Diaz-Sanchez. These are the two most aggressive ground fighters in the UFC. I was never very impressed with Karo until the Josh Thompson fight at UFC 59. Thompson is no slouch, and Karo came out and dominated. I've never seen anyone try so hard to end a fight with every move he made. Sanchez can match Karo's intensity, but he didn't look that great against John Allessio at UFC 60. He couldn't get Allessio to the ground despite constant attempts at the takedown. But Karo wants the fight to go to the ground. That's where the war will happen. Expect a lot of submission attempts and reversals. A win by Diego gives him undeniable credibility as a fighter. Fights with Penn and the loser of GSP-Hughes 2 should follow. A win by Karo would set him up for a title shot by early next year.

I've got to stop writing these dissertations. I'm turning into Giant Baba in the WWE thread.
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I've got to stop writing these dissertations. I'm turning into Giant Baba in the WWE thread.
Except that this is about an actual sport, not a stunt exhibition with poor acting. Keep em up, as I never have time to investigate the match-ups ahead of time, so appreciate them.
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This article might belong more in the Television forum, but since it affects more than just the TUF show, and because it doesn't really warrant a new thread, I'm posting here.

Even if the HBO deal doesn't come through, that's an awful lot of UFC activity next year. This sounds great, but I fear that since the UFC is pretty tight-fisted with money, we might end up with a lot of sub-par fighters squaring off. I was already disappointed with this past season of TUF's overall quality level, so this may not be the boon it looks like. Or, maybe with the expanded visibility, new revenue streams, and overall increased North American interest, the salaries will go up and some higher caliber fighters from K1 and Pride will come over.

I also thought the speculation that Dana White would have to curb his negative comments comparing MMA and Boxing as part of the HBO deal was pretty funny.
post #146 of 4341
I saw an ad for WFA: King of the Streets, and one of my favorite crazy SOBs, BAS RUTTEN will be fighting Kimo on the card. But it ain't worth $35 to me. Especially since I just dropped $40 on the crapfest that was UFC 61. Quinton Jackson also will be fighting.
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I guess the WFA card was a bit of a bust with Kimo testing dirty and the Rampage-Lindland fight being a bit on the boring side. Machida-White was pretty lackluster too, from what I heard.

The UFC has their next Ultimate Fight Night, or whatever they're calling it, on August 17 with the premiere of The Ultimate Fighter Season 4 to follow. Here's the card:

-Karo Parisyan vs. Diego Sanchez
-Dean Lister vs. Yuki Sasaki
-Josh Koscheck vs. Jonathan Goulet
-Chris Leben vs. Jorge Santiago
-Joe Riggs vs. Jason Von Flue
-Sam Morgan vs. Forrest Petz
-Anthony Torres vs. Pat Healy
-Jake O'Brien vs. Kristof Midoux
-Crafton Wallace vs. Martin Kampmann

Parisyan-Sanchez will be a great fight. Both guys are aggressive as hell. The winner should get BJ Penn with the winner of that challenging the winner of Hughes-GSP for the title. We'll see how Lister looks at 185 (I expect him to challenge for the belt by next spring) and we get to see Joe Riggs yet again. I seriously don't know why Dana White has such a crush on Riggs. Can't we leave him off of one card? Please? Other than that, the card looks like a decent mix between TUF alumni and up-and-comers like Crafton Wallace and Martin Kampmann (finally, a good Dutch kickboxer in the UFC).
post #148 of 4341
I watched a special presentation of WEC Friday night. Apparently the guy that was the main TV announcer for the show (similar to Mike Goldberg for UFC) was killed in a car wreck a few weeks earlier, and this was a fundraiser/tribute for his family. I felt really bad for his family--his wife was in pretty bad shape, but she's going to recover, and they had 4 little girls, who are all OK.

They're having a regular event this Friday night. I'm crossing my fingers for an Olaf appearance. He's always in the previews for WEC on HDNet--as one of the guys getting his ass knocked out.
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I watched a special presentation of WEC Friday night. Apparently the guy that was the main TV announcer for the show (similar to Mike Goldberg for UFC) was killed in a car wreck a few weeks earlier, and this was a fundraiser/tribute for his family. I felt really bad for his family--his wife was in pretty bad shape, but she's going to recover, and they had 4 little girls, who are all OK.

They're having a regular event this Friday night. I'm crossing my fingers for an Olaf appearance. He's always in the previews for WEC on HDNet--as one of the guys getting his ass knocked out.
Yeah, Ryan Bennett. He was an NBC sports guy for some California station. He left to work with the Fight Network and was in between health insurance policies at the time of the accident. That sucks because his family supposedly has over $1.5 million in medical bills. He founded MMAWeekly.com, which is a pretty good place for MMA news. He's also done broadcasts for Pride and the UFC. He was a pretty big part of the MMA Community. He'll be missed.

As for Olaf, I didn't realize he's fought 9 time in the WEC, including 8 straight WEC events. The guy's an animal.
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The WEC event this weekend was a bit strange...and maybe they do this with every event, but it was obviously taped like a month ago. They interviewed Laura Prepon in between fights, and she mentioned that she was going to see the Tito (vs. Shamrock) fight on July 8th. But they also spoke with Chuck Liddell about his fight in August. Plus, they threw in a couple of "best of" fights during the show. And when they got to the main event, the WEC champion vs. a guy called "Rhino", I recognized the knockout from WEC's opening montage. And let me tell you, it was a vicious freakin' knee that literally knocked Rhino out. He took a bunch of punches in the first round, then when the 2nd round started, he was kind of woozy, and was in the clinch, and the champ (I can't remember his name) just backed out and pulled Rhino's head down and caught him with a nasty knee on the side of his head. Rhino dropped like a rock and was out. Once they got him concious again, all he could do was stand in his corner and say, "Fuck!" over and over again.
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