MMA Thread (UFC, Pride, K-1, etc) - Page 73

Looks like GSP/Diaz coming up - http://mmajunkie.com/news/2012/12/ufc-boss-says-georges-st-pierre-vs-nick-diaz-likely-if-challenger-accepts

If life was fair Hendricks would have the shot. But I've always wanted to see what Nick does when faced with a monster wreslter like Georges, so I'm not crying too hard.


Also, Ronda vs Liz Caramouche for UFC-157 - http://mmajunkie.com/news/2012/12/ronda-rousey-meets-liz-carmouche-in-first-ufc-womens-title-fight-at-ufc-157

It finally seems real.

I've wanted to see Diaz take on GSP for awhile. I don't think he stands a chance, but it will be an exciting fight.

I've wanted to see Diaz take on GSP for awhile. I don't think he stands a chance, but it will be an exciting fight.

Even if he gets beasted by GSP he will go down in an entertaining manner, both fist-wise and mouth-wise. Because that's how Nick Diaz rolls.

"I haven't even talked to Nick yet," White admitted. "I was trying to track him down this week, which is always fun. So I called (Nick's brother) Nate, and Nate told me, 'Listen, if you talk to him, tell him I'm looking for him, too.'"
Edited by Bucho - 12/6/12 at 3:00pm

Here we go again, Bucho! "Where you at, Georges!"? More like where you at, Nick.

Some good fights on today.  Scotty Jorgensen had a great finish right at the buzzer.

So excited to see BJ! I think Rory's size will give him a big advantage, which is always the case with BJ at 170. Win or lose, though, he'll always remain my favorite.

They got some good shots with the new super high speed camera, I hope to see more of that going forward.

 

Loved seeing Bendo put a beating on Diaz!

BJ and Rua need to retire. It's almost as if they're too tough. They don't train hard enough to keep up anymore but yet nobody can knock them out. That combination leads to them taking more shots than anyone else. At the very least they should probably both drop a division. Machida works as a small 205er because he's wildly mobile. Rua, for a myriad of reasons, just stalks forward like The Terminator, but now he's up against newer, more rangy, more agile models of Terminator who handle him without much trouble.

On a happier note, I loved seeing Matt Brown get another win. I have nothing against Swick but Brown has become this Mark Hunt-esque underdog hero for me at 170. Like Hunt he has a less than impressive record, but also like Hunt he also has a very easy-to-root-for quality to his personality that's hard to pin down. They're both unassuming and humble, they both have a win:loss ratio that's nothing to write home about but are on decent win streaks, neither seems likely to ever hold a belt, but they're also both really damn likable.


Heck yeah he did. $130,000 worth!

The UFC just had contract negotiations with Anderson, trying to get him to sign a new 8-fight deal. He turned it down.

 

He said, "Fuck that, I want 10-fight deal."

 

"8-fight deals are for women, I want a man's contract!!!"

Help me Ron,

Help help me Ron

Help me Ronda, YEAH!

Rory gets his wish to re-match Carlos Condit in March in Montreal - http://www.mmajunkie.com/news/2012/12/rory-macdonald-carlos-condit-rematch-targeted-for-ufc-158-in-montreal

I'm generally against rematches that aren't the result of a controversial decision and would have been happier to see Rory fight Koscheck or Hendricks (assuming Diaz gets the title shot). But I do like fighters who call opponents out so I'm not going to cry about it. Rory must be wildly confident given how well he dealt with Condit in their first fight and also how well his buddy GSP dealt with him, but if Condit beats him again he'll have two losses to the guy and would probably slide quite a way back into the pack so certainly it's not without risk.

Here's the original fight. Fucking LOVE how the UFC works with YouTube.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m40DZKndiM4
Edited by Bucho - 12/12/12 at 9:07pm

8/9 fights finished so far on the TUF 16 finale. This has turned out to be a ridiculously fun card.

9 out of 11 finished, 5 of which were in the first round. What a night.

Colton is a beast on the ground. It'll be interesting to see Ricci go against a UFC-level 155er assuming he gets a contract. The two Wolverines looked great. Mike Pyle's clinch is mean. So are Rustam Khabilov's suplexes. Happy to see Pat Barry happily crying. Good for Big Country too, I think he's good for the game.

And I'm on a 4 post streak in this thread.


Meanwhile, here's an important educational video everyone should see at least once. At least.

Theyre wearing too much clothes. But I would let them break both my arms. And my legs.

 

Disagree to an extent on the Hendricks 'fight'. Given Rory's refusal to fight GSP, he shouldn't be allowed to fight the top contenders until a new champion is crowned. Or he changes his mind.

Yeah, that teammates thing sure is a headache for Dana and Joe Silva. Your solution is an interesting one but I think ultimately it's better business to have a fast-rising guy like Rory take on a name now. I expect GSP, if he stays at the top, to go to MW within the next 18 months anyway, so Rory's path will be clear. I also think Rory's cold-blooded enough that he would Bones up and fight a team-mate eventually. Georges better watch his back.

It's only a matter of time before Rory entertains the idea. He's already started showing shades of it, post-BJ.

Fun Bleacher Report piece on the most devastating fists in MMA right now. - http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1450326-ranking-the-most-devastating-punchers-in-the-ufc-right-now

Not too much surprise to see JDS at number one along with a bunch of other heavyweights in the list, and of course Hendo is in there. Good for Michael McDonald for doing his thing at the lighter weights though, where there are typically far fewer KOs.

Interesting list, but how does Anderson not make it?  The guy is superhuman!  He's the best striker in history and has knocked out guys on that list.

Cain's gotta win today right? To keep the 265 division interesting. Surely we don't want Cain to slide into that Koscheck/Sonnen/Frankiln category of guys who've lost twice to the champ and so are in a no-man's land in their own division. I mean, there's a meaty Dutch wrecking machine on the horizon so it's not like things would get easy for JDS if he wins, but the division needs a dynamic guy like Cain to stay relevant.

Meanwhile, I'm super curious to see how Alan Belcher goes against Okami. I love Belcher's attitude and the fact he has 8 finishes out of 9 wins in the UFC. And that they're evenly split 4/4 between tkos/subs, so the guy is clearly multi-dimensional and very attacking-minded. And has testicles the size of bowling balls as he proved when he decided to play footsy with Rousimar "The Knee Wrecker" Palhares. Okami's his toughest opponent yet though.

Also love seeing Joe Lauzon go to work. In 29 fights ONLY ONE DECISION! And on the single occasion he went to the judges it was the Fight Of The Night. It's impossible for that dude to be boring.


Yeah, the guy sort of explains it, but not very well. It does seem odd.

This is one of those fights where I really like both guys, but I've gone with JDS in all his fights so far and I've gotta stick with him.

Good grief that Leben/Brunson fight was awful.  Watching two gassed guys paw at one another is about as bad as it gets.  That shit belongs on the local circuit, not in the UFC.

Holy shit!  Miller/Lauzon lived up to the billing and more!  Props to both of those guys for what has to be fight of the night and in contention for fight of the year.

Wow, that was entertaining as hell!  What heart by Junior and I think this is the best we've ever seen Cain.  You got your wish Bucho, 265 looks interesting as hell going forward and I can't wait to see it!

Tough to watch a guy get beat up for 5 rounds like that though. Junior's almost too tough for his own good. He has a case of the BJ Penns. Or the Shoguns. Guys who have granite chins which lead to them taking way more shots than guys who go to sleep more easily.

But holy balls how can you not love Jim Miller and J-Lau after that? ANIMALS. I don't know who got FOTN but those guys deserved a huge bonus either way.

The Belcher/Okami fight was a bummer. The problem with attackers like Alan Belcher is when they don't land their moves a conservative guy can take advantage and smother them. In both round one and round two Belcher got on top of Okami and then dropped for guilotines looking for the finish. Both times Okami survives, which puts him on top, but doesn't even pretend to think about finishing.

That's one thing that drives me nuts, dropping for a guillotine when you haven't yet got it.  All it does it put you on your back.  Cinch the hands up first or don't drop!

 

However, if there's one thing Dana has shown, guys that don't try and finish don't get title shots unless they're given up as a sacrificial lamb to the champ.  

YES HE CAIN!

It's amazing how you can watch his spirit leave his body from round to round. The change from 1 to 2 is so drastic in body language alone.

JDS actually showed an amazing amount of heart. All he would have needed to do to have the fight stop was not to fight back when Cain had him on the ground. Just cover up and protect his head and Herb Dean would have made it end.

But even hurting as much as he was Junior Dos Santos refused quit.

Dos Santos is a warrior like kenny florian vs sean sherk guy just eont quit

Should be a bunch of fun scraps today. Interesting to see Texeira go up against the nemesis of his best buddy Chuck Liddell, and you can't go wrong with a Cowby Cerrone fight.

Good fights tonight, DJ put on a heck of a performance.

Pettis is the most unpredictably exciting fighter since Roy Jones, Jr.

I hope the doctor's are able to repair the crater that Lamas put in Koch's face with those elbows. Jesus, that was brutal.

 

That kick to Cerrone's liver was nasty, but I'm a little disappointed that it happened so soon. I was hoping for a really good scrap between those two.

 

Hard fight for Rampage. He's tough as hell, but just too slow these days.

 

Hell of a performance by Mighty Mouse. Dodson just couldn't deal with that plum in the championship rounds. Solid card all around.

 

Looking forward to seeing Overeem back in action next week.

I'd love to see a rematch in a year or so with Dodson having upped his cardio. I don't know if he can do it without trading in some power but if he can it'll be awesome.

I thought Rampage's hands looked great against Glover, and so did his head movment. Obviously Glover rocked him and Rampage slowed later in the fight, but he was throwing and landing a bunch with some sweet combos. Like Joe said though, Rampage's refusal to mix his game up makes him too easy for opponents to read. Sad to see him leave the UFC like that, but if he can get his head right he can be successful in either a different organisation or in pro-wrestling or action movies. Maybe he goes the King Mo route and mixes it up.


That fucking knee off the cage GOD DAMN! The dude is so much fun to watch in a standup fight it's ridiculous. Loved that he mouthed up at the end and made it clear in no uncertain terms that he's after the belt.

Can I say how happy I am to see Overeem humbled? That is some great shit right there.

 

Too bad for Frankie. I think the judges got it right but was really hoping he'd follow in Randy and BJ's footsteps.

 

That said... Pettis vs. Aldo? SIGN ME THE FUCK UP.

Good show tonight, I freaking loved seeing Bigfoot knock Overoid the fuck out!  I'm hoping this shuts up the marks who think the Juicing Jackass can do no wrong.  He didn't look good against Werdum and beat a Lesnar who foolishly decided to kickbox with him.  Drugs are bad.

 

Good fight with Frankie and Aldo, but Jose is clearly better than everyone else.  If he gets his cardio where it needs to be the guy will be perfect.  That said, I don't think 155 is where he needs to go, Bendo is just too big and bad.

 

Pretty surprised at how bad both Rashad and Fitch looked.

Aldo's speed advantage over Frankie in the first two rounds was stunning. I mean literally stunning. Like my mouth was hanging open at how much sharper Aldo was in the first two rounds. Then Frankie with another performance of gigantic heart made me fall in love with him all over again. And that speed thing is what makes Aldo/Pettis so mouth-watering.

Rashad and Fitch looked different kinds of bad. Past the first round it seemed like the fire had gone from Rashad's eyes. He's still a dangerous man but he looked self-defeated. Little Nog is not to be trifled with though, and his wrestling defence has looked better and better every fight, so it'd be foolish to ever count him out. Fitch just looked bad because a guy who was a contender at 185 has dropped and is now monstering monsters at 170. The way Maia fucked Rick Story aside was eye-opening. The way he beasted Fitch was even moreso. His striking is still suspect, so if he can't get it to the deck and you have mean hands you'll beat him, but if he gets a hold of you it's pants-crapping time.

I had called the fight for Bigfoot so I was stoked to see him live up to expectations. So many had forgotten that Werdum was actually out-striking Overeem until Werdum hurt his own knee by stepping awkwardly and was forced to that goofy lay-back-and-dream-of-Rio tactic. But not me and Kernel. The win against Lesnar was spectacular on the surface, but Brock by that time was beaten by a combination of his own intestines and his crippling fear of being hit. So Overeem talked up a storm before the fight, but it was the words of Bigfoot Silva afterward which had the most dramatic effect.

Rashad's problem is the same with Forrest: they suffered the loss of the Eye of the Tiger once they managed to win the belt and realized there was nowhere else but down at that point.

I don't think Rashad lost it that far back, he was still the hungry Rashad going into the fight with Machida and still had the hunger against Rampage, Ortiz and Davis. To me the change began some time during the first round of his fight against Bones. He's spoken openly about how that fight and the personal events surrounding it had affected him greatly emotionally

I guess I'll agree with you, but up to a point. He was hungry with Machida because it was the first time he was defending his title. Rampage it was less about the belt and more about a conflict in personalities. He looked good against Tito, but most usually do. But I still say Machida deflated his swagger quite a bit and the landscape has changed so much since then that getting the belt again doesn't mean as much to him as it did. Dana was right when he warned Rashad about playing the waiting game.

Edited by Shaun H - 2/9/13 at 12:30am

I think we'll have to agree to agree on this one Shaun. Well said.

I didn't think it was worth starting a new thread, but the big news today is that the IOC is dropping wrestling from the Olympics starting in 2020.

 

I'm sorta stunned and can only think they have lost their damn minds.  Am I wrong, is it not one of the signature events?

 

Absolutely infuriated.  It's been there since 1896.  Let's be honest - it's THE first sport.  It's been around since the dawn of time.  And they're dropping it to make way for . . . golf?!  Really?!

 

There hasn't been a word invented yet to describe how pissed off I am right now.  Legit.

It doesn't surprise me because no one watches it.

In "Holy shit are you fucking kidding me?!?!" news, the UFC released 16 fighters, the most notable being Jon Fitch. The others:

 

Wagner Prado, Mike Russow,Jacob Volkmann, Vladimir Matyushenko, Che Mills, Jay Hieron,Terry Etim, Paul Sass, Jorge Santiago, Mike Stumpf, Simeon Thoresen, C.J. Keith, Motonobu Tezuka, Josh Grispi and Ulysses Gomez.