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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
Well, as much as liked Mike and thought he was good in his own right, it was Joel leaving that really started the decline for me. He had this sleepy whimsy about him that was just so charming and was a nice contrast with the snarkiness of the bots. Mike just seemed like a human Tom and Crow sometimes.
And TV's Frank leaving certainly didn't help matters either -- that lead to them introducing Pearl Forrester and eventually to her being the lead bad guy, and good god was that ever painful to watch.
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Actually Pearl Forrester becoming the lead bad guy was due to Trace Beaulieu deciding to leave. He, apparently, was really the heart of the writing team from the early days on, and, as much as fun as he was as Dr.Clayton Forrester, that was really his main contribution to the show.
I don't think the Sci Fi shows totally sucked...the "StarMan" films inspired them back to the old heights and some of the other episoded were funny, but the skits were just plain bad all the way through during the Sci Fi years.
The MST3K movie was a huge mistake.
They spent almost an entire year making it, only brought out a few new episodes of the show because of that, which cost them ratings, which cost them in the end the Comedy Central gig.The show never covered from the momentum they lost because of making the movie.
And the film never even got a general release. They should have realised that
doing a movie based on a currently running TV Show very,very,seldom works.
And the movie was not that great, it would have been considered an just OK episode of the show.
BTW people forget that Joel left the show in 1993, and Mike was the host for over three seasons on "Comedy Central.".
So Mike versus Joel (I like them both about the same) is not the same as Comedy Central vs Sci fi. Making it Mike vs Joel leaves out the loss of the core writing staff (Trace and Frank) and more inteference from management over at Sci Fi, which are the two main reasons for the show's general slide in quality.
BTW the Russo/Finnish films were among my favorites..."The Day The Earth Froze" in particular, which is a very fucked up retelling of "The Kalevela" the Finnish National epic. The films bears the same resembelance to the Finnish Saga as the Hercules films do to Greek Mythology.
Joel and Mike admitted that one reason they did all the Tolkien jokes in "Day The Earth Froze" was a very in joke that some people picked up on:"The Kalevala" was principal source that Tolkein was inspired by in "Lord Of The Rings".