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post #1 of 46
11/27/05 at 4:36pm
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Just read a list on IGN of 10 reasons to wait for the PS3. Not that i have the money to buy a 360 but i found the article to be a list of some decent reasons. Fact remains i will want both of them but i think by next year i will be able to pick up at least one of em. Personally i think SOny is just better at the game of selling consoles. Here is the link

[URL="http://ps3.ign.com/articles/668/668446p1.html"]
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post #2 of 46
11/27/05 at 5:39pm
Anywhere online to preorder? I've looked around and I haven't seen anything yet.
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post #3 of 46
11/27/05 at 5:55pm
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Originally Posted by wadew1
Anywhere online to preorder? I've looked around and I haven't seen anything yet.
That's funny.
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post #4 of 46
11/27/05 at 5:56pm
A few valid reasons in there, but also a lot of fluff and assumption. Are we really supposed to take "you can still pre-order!" as a reason for a launch that's a year away in the U.S.? Other points are very subjective, and it seems they were reaching for a lot of them.

The best reason I can think of to wait is simply the price. If that recent quote is true, $400 for a BluRay next-gen console is a fantastic value.
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post #5 of 46
11/27/05 at 5:58pm
Apart from the Blu-ray compatibility, the reasons given range from weak to ridiculous.

Not to mention that it would certainly help if Sony released a timetable for the damn thing.
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post #6 of 46
11/27/05 at 7:52pm
There's only two things that matter: Good games at launch (which I'm actually pretty sure is gonna happen this time around), and the price tag. When those two things are announced, we'll talk about whether the wait was worth it.
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post #7 of 46
11/27/05 at 8:58pm
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Originally Posted by Crow
There's only two things that matter: Good games at launch (which I'm actually pretty sure is gonna happen this time around), and the price tag. When those two things are announced, we'll talk about whether the wait was worth it.
I'd rather have the best games over the life of the system than "good games at launch".
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post #8 of 46
11/27/05 at 10:47pm
The number one reason I plan on buying the PS3 is MGS4. I bought the Gamecube just so I could play RE4 (it is still the only game I own for the system).

If I buy a 360, it wil be around the same time (price drop). And that would be if it has an exclusive game that is super kick ass (like RE4 for the Gamecube).
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post #9 of 46
11/27/05 at 11:13pm
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Originally Posted by chuckp
The number one reason I plan on buying the PS3 is MGS4. I bought the Gamecube just so I could play RE4 (it is still the only game I own for the system).

If I buy a 360, it wil be around the same time (price drop). And that would be if it has an exclusive game that is super kick ass (like RE4 for the Gamecube).
Halo 3?
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post #10 of 46
11/28/05 at 12:13am
I've never understood the whole either/or mentality among video gamers. As far as I know, there's no law that says that if you buy a 360 this year, that the stores won't take your money for a PS3 and/or a Revolution next year. At one point, I had an Xbox, a PS2, and Gamecube, and my still-hanging-around Dreamcast hooked up simultaneously. No mysterious individuals arrived at my doorstep to have a talk with me.

I am buying a 360, because it looks like a good machine with some good games coming up. If the PS3 is a good machine with some good games coming up, I will buy one of those as well. I don't have to "wait for it".
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post #11 of 46
11/28/05 at 12:40am
That's exactly my thinking, Nigel. My PS2, X Box, and Gamecube have always coexisted peacefully. It also gives me no shortage of games to play, especially with all the quality older titles at twenty or thirty bucks. I'm just now playing Super Mario Sunshine and having a blast.

I certainly hope to have both the PS3 and 360 someday, but til then I make do
with what I have.
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post #12 of 46
11/28/05 at 12:42am
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Originally Posted by Overlord
I'd rather have the best games over the life of the system than "good games at launch".
Everyone wants that. But if we're talking about whether to get the system at launch, then we should consider what's going to be available at launch.

I will do what I have always done: wait until enough games or the right games are out for the system that justify the price. And the more expensive the system, the more amazing those justifying games will have to be.
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post #13 of 46
11/28/05 at 12:53am
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Originally Posted by Russ Fischer
That's funny.
I know. But I'm hoping to find this Online as early as possible so I can actually preorder JUST THE SYSTEM for around Retail price, not some 2 thousand dollar bundle. As for going to an actual store to preorder, I've been fucked over too many times to do that. I've had better pre order experiences online.
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post #14 of 46
11/28/05 at 1:17am
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Originally Posted by Nigel St. Buggering
I've never understood the whole either/or mentality among video gamers. As far as I know, there's no law that says that if you buy a 360 this year, that the stores won't take your money for a PS3 and/or a Revolution next year. At one point, I had an Xbox, a PS2, and Gamecube, and my still-hanging-around Dreamcast hooked up simultaneously. No mysterious individuals arrived at my doorstep to have a talk with me.

I am buying a 360, because it looks like a good machine with some good games coming up. If the PS3 is a good machine with some good games coming up, I will buy one of those as well. I don't have to "wait for it".
Fanboys. It's just the mentality of some. I like more PS franchises than Xbox ones, so I'll wait for PS3. Steer clear of System Wars.
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post #15 of 46
11/28/05 at 1:58am
Well not everyone can afford to buy them all. Even with a year or so in between .
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post #16 of 46
11/28/05 at 2:27am
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My PS2, X Box, and Gamecube have always coexisted peacefully
Hrm.. that's wierd. My xbox routinely laid savage beatings on my PS2. The Gamecube would just cower in the corner, wide-eyed and whimpering.
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post #17 of 46
11/28/05 at 2:49am
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Originally Posted by phoenix_214
Halo 3?
Although I was a rabbid Halo fan for a while, I got tired of it. Right now, I get more mileage out of Doom on my PSP.

I'm not anti-Xbox/PS, if Halo 3 kicks major ass, I'll get a 360 without question. But it's gonna need more than just pretty graphics and two fisted shooting.
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post #18 of 46
11/28/05 at 3:23am
i think money is the limiting factor and the nidus for these fanboy system wars.

Not everyone can afford to have more than one major console. I stuck with the gamecube for probably a year too long before I went ahead and bought my xbox. If I could afford all 3 systems at once, yea I would buy them all, but I know I cant, which makes the next gen situation so uneasy for me and consumers like me.

We want to know where our money will be spent most wisely. Granted, microsoft will not let the xbox 360 fail, but if Sony puts out an affordable blu-ray device I think that has longer term implications for any tech savvy consumer worldwide. As far as games, both systems will have their fair share of great exclusives. Whether or not the systems have good games at launch will dictate whether or not I buy one then. Already, the 360's launch lineup was not doing much for me, but there are some great looking titles in the pipeline that will have me thinking when sony finally announces something concrete.
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post #19 of 46
11/28/05 at 5:13am
And you just know that Microsoft is going to hang onto some of their top-tier games until just before the PS3 launch just to convert some of the unsure market.

As for blu-ray, I think it's far from proven that that's definitively going to be the next big thing. Analysts have been arguing this for some time. Really, as far as the average consumer is concerned, I doubt they'll care. Most of them probably don't even bother watching extras on DVD's; they just want the movie. How much will fit on a disc doesn't concern most people.
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post #20 of 46
11/28/05 at 11:14am
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Originally Posted by wadew1
Anywhere online to preorder? I've looked around and I haven't seen anything yet.
I'm sorry, they first shipment is already sold out.
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post #21 of 46
11/28/05 at 11:40am
I have this urge to go on Ebay and auction off a Voucher for the PS3.

Not the system, just the voucher. That I hand wrote. With fine print that says "This is just a slip of paper that doesn't entitle you to anything."

I think I could make a few grand.
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post #22 of 46
11/28/05 at 11:52am
That reminds me of a guy who advertised "40 disposable cigarette lighters for £5" and just sent out a box of matches.
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post #23 of 46
11/28/05 at 11:57am
They've been cracking down on nonsense and scam auctions lately, such as the guy who sold a PSP box for over $300.
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post #24 of 46
11/28/05 at 12:10pm
I still don't understand why nobody emailed that poor sap.
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post #25 of 46
11/28/05 at 2:24pm
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Originally Posted by Nigel St. Buggering
I've never understood the whole either/or mentality among video gamers. As far as I know, there's no law that says that if you buy a 360 this year, that the stores won't take your money for a PS3 and/or a Revolution next year. At one point, I had an Xbox, a PS2, and Gamecube, and my still-hanging-around Dreamcast hooked up simultaneously. No mysterious individuals arrived at my doorstep to have a talk with me.

I am buying a 360, because it looks like a good machine with some good games coming up. If the PS3 is a good machine with some good games coming up, I will buy one of those as well. I don't have to "wait for it".
I guess I can see your side of this but most people will only ever have one system at a time. I enjoy my gaming and all but their is no way I could justify $1200 in systems, not including games. I dont have alot of time to commit to my current system letalone three at once just to play their one "killer app" that gets released every six months or so. Thats why people like to wait until all their options are out in order to compare their needs/preferences to whats available.
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post #26 of 46
11/28/05 at 3:06pm
I think Blu-Ray will win the format wars, thus obliging me to buy a blu-ray player. Since I'm happy with my X-Box, why not wait another year and get said player conveniently wrapped in a next-gen console?
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post #27 of 46
11/28/05 at 3:17pm
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
I think Blu-Ray will win the format wars, thus obliging me to buy a blu-ray player. Since I'm happy with my X-Box, why not wait another year and get said player conveniently wrapped in a next-gen console?
The blu-ray issue, bar none, is my biggest concern. It's hard to justify buying a nex-gen console and a nex-gen DVD when I could buy both at once with a steep discount. I think MS really wasn't looking ahead by not including some sort of HD DVD drive.

The only issue is that my favorite titles tend to lean towards the XBOX.
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post #28 of 46
11/28/05 at 3:40pm
But why would anyone want to rely solely on a game platform to play DVD's? The PS2 had sound problems and the Xbox didn't play all dvd's. Buy a dvd player if you want to watch DVD's.
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post #29 of 46
11/28/05 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by Overlord
The only issue is that my favorite titles tend to lean towards the XBOX.
I generally play sports games + kids games, which are available on pretty much any console. Consequently, I have roughly zero platform loyalty. If the Sony Blu-Ray player is good, you're right in that it doesn't make sense to go anywhere else.
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post #30 of 46
11/28/05 at 4:18pm
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Originally Posted by Overlord
The blu-ray issue, bar none, is my biggest concern. It's hard to justify buying a nex-gen console and a nex-gen DVD when I could buy both at once with a steep discount. I think MS really wasn't looking ahead by not including some sort of HD DVD drive.

The only issue is that my favorite titles tend to lean towards the XBOX.
Sorry about the n00b question, but will the blu-ray players play existing DVD formats?
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post #31 of 46
11/28/05 at 4:26pm
I don't think so.
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post #32 of 46
11/28/05 at 4:37pm
Actually, it does.
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post #33 of 46
11/28/05 at 4:40pm
At least I won't have to start my movie collection over from scratch.
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post #34 of 46
11/28/05 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by mastronikolas
Actually, it does.
I stand corrected. Whew! It's nice to know all my DVDs aren't about to turn into coasters.
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post #35 of 46
11/28/05 at 6:39pm
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Originally Posted by thecallahan
But why would anyone want to rely solely on a game platform to play DVD's? The PS2 had sound problems and the Xbox didn't play all dvd's. Buy a dvd player if you want to watch DVD's.
Past problems aren't necessarily repeated. If someone guaranteed me today that the PS3 either wouldn't have a blu-ray drive, or that the drive would be glitching in one manner or another, I'd buy/order an XBOX 360 ASAP. I think the PS2 is by far the worst of the XBOX/DC/PS2 trifecta, so basically the Blu-Ray issue is driving the debate, in my mind.

XBOX hopefully will get an HDDVD/Blu-ray upgrade at some point.
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post #36 of 46
11/28/05 at 6:50pm
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
I think Blu-Ray will win the format wars, thus obliging me to buy a blu-ray player. Since I'm happy with my X-Box, why not wait another year and get said player conveniently wrapped in a next-gen console?
What makes you think that? What other format wars has Sony won? BetaMax? MiniDisc? Memory Stick?

History has shown us that every time Sony goes with a proprietary format instead of widely adopted one, consumers regard it as an expensive nuissance, and it hardly enters the mainstream.

While the PS3 has a lot more going for it than the 360 with a higher capacity disk, I'm not expecting Blu-Ray to win the next battle. This isn't really an argument about which format is better, but more of a statement based upon observations of Sony's track record and business practices.
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post #37 of 46
11/29/05 at 2:22am
thats a really good point ahoatam...but with blu-ray sony has the backing of a lot of movie studios let alone its own library of titles. HD-DVD has its own backers, but when it comes down to it, Blu-ray (from my understanding) has more raw power in the format.

I think most analysts have agreed that there will be some sort of new high definition platform for movie delivery in the next 10 years, and right now its a two dog race. It sounds a lot like vhs vs. betamax, but I think Sony will come out on top with this one.
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post #38 of 46
11/29/05 at 2:45am
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Originally Posted by Fazer
but with blu-ray sony has the backing of a lot of movie studios let alone its own library of titles.
Then again, so did DIVX.
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post #39 of 46
11/29/05 at 2:58am
DIVX was a stupid idea any which way you put it.
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post #40 of 46
11/29/05 at 3:14am
Well...yes, yes it was. For a much more reasonable example, there's always betamax. In most ways (length being the exception), beta was superior to VHS. It had better picture quality, was smaller, and more reliable. And several studios were behind it. It failed anyway.

I'm not saying Blu-ray will fail, though. I'm just saying that even if it is the superior format, that doesn't mean it will stick.
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post #41 of 46
11/29/05 at 3:28am
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Originally Posted by Nigel St. Buggering
Well...yes, yes it was. For a much more reasonable example, there's always betamax. In most ways (length being the exception), beta was superior to VHS. It had better picture quality, was smaller, and more reliable. And several studios were behind it. It failed anyway.

I'm not saying Blu-ray will fail, though. I'm just saying that even if it is the superior format, that doesn't mean it will stick.
I agree.

However, looking at the way things stand right now, Blu-Ray seems very well positioned to come out on top. It's supposedly the better standard, it's got loads of support behind it (including Sony itself who has, since Betamax, grown into a large production comapny), it's coming out sooner, and it's going to be shipped standard with a console bound to sell tens of millions of units.

It's not a sure thing by any means, but right now there's not much reason to think it won't be successful.
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post #42 of 46
11/29/05 at 5:34am
As I understand it, while BluRay has more capacity potentially, they've yet to actually get past what current HD-DVD can hold.

The whole support issue is an interesting one. So a movie studio behind one format will only release movies on that format? If so, that's exactly what will keep people from getting involved in the next-gen players for a while. (Who wants to buy one player for Studio X and a different one for Studio Y?) And if not, there's little meaning to it.
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post #43 of 46
11/29/05 at 11:01am
It's my understanding that pretty much every studio has gotten behind Blu-Ray, or at least agreed to release films in both formats. Microsoft was going to put HDDVD on the 360, but it dropped the ball and now Sony's positioned to win.

Regardless, I feel no sense of urgency when it comes to purchasing a new console. If, in a year, the Blu-Ray / HDDVD issue is still in the air, I'll wait.
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post #44 of 46
11/29/05 at 12:36pm
Most individuals will be getting a separate DVD player anyways.

I base it on games.

And lord knows they aren't going to change the arthritis controller.
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post #45 of 46
11/29/05 at 2:25pm
Y'know what I really want? The Revolution, with that awesome controller. Imagine playing baseball with that thing!
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post #46 of 46
11/29/05 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
It's my understanding that pretty much every studio has gotten behind Blu-Ray, or at least agreed to release films in both formats. Microsoft was going to put HDDVD on the 360, but it dropped the ball and now Sony's positioned to win.

Regardless, I feel no sense of urgency when it comes to purchasing a new console. If, in a year, the Blu-Ray / HDDVD issue is still in the air, I'll wait.
There isn't that "I MUST HAVE IMMEDIATELY" game, such as Oblivion or KOTOR III, that's making me rush out to get 360. As high def movies become available, and more xbox 360 titles that I really want come out, it's going to be difficult to wait for the console/high-def wars to sort out.
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