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post #101 of 140
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Robert Rodriguez on the eyes:


source: https://www.empireonline.com/movies/features/alita-battle-angel-trailer-breakdown/

Yeah. Uncanny VALLEY! Interesting choice of words there, Bob Rod.
post #102 of 140

 

Rodriguez says the orgin explains the eyes.  But in the comic all humans have roughly those same sorts of youthful facial exageration, relative to age/gender etc, so it's not so bizarrely out of place. So I guess they are going for something else, like,I dunno,  if you're from mars you have terrible Graves Disease or whatever.

 

At any rate It's mainly just that they didn't have to make them quite so big.  This as an anime touchstone has faded from the public consciousness almost completely, Otherwise I'd think you'd have seen fan-shopping of someone like Jenna Coleman in the role quite a bit.  (of course she fails the disgusting racist bias of Rodriguez)

post #103 of 140
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Rodriguez says the orgin explains the eyes.  But in the comic all humans have roughly those same sorts of youthful facial exageration, relative to age/gender etc, so it's not so bizarrely out of place. So I guess they are going for something else, like,I dunno,  if you're from mars you have terrible Graves Disease or whatever.

At any rate It's mainly just that they didn't have to make them quite so big.  This as an anime touchstone has faded from the public consciousness almost completely, Otherwise I'd think you'd have seen fan-shopping of someone like Jenna Coleman in the role quite a bit.  (of course she fails the disgusting racist bias of Rodriguez)

I just realized the Hentai market is going to crash hard when it tries to make the jump to live action/CG.

Although, if there's a market for AVATAR cat-person aliens, I suppose giant-eyed twig-limbed people probably have a market too.
post #104 of 140
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I just realized the Hentai market is going to crash hard when it tries to make the jump to live action/CG.
Don't worry, they solved that by training people to actually prefer 2D sex fantasies to 3D ones.
post #105 of 140
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I just realized the Hentai market is going to crash hard when it tries to make the jump to live action/CG.

The hentai market has gotten along just fine in the last decade or so with the plethora of 3DCG, and live action adaptations and parodies. It is known, by me.

Or did you mean a mix of live action and performance capture like Alita and Avatar? If thats the case, then yeah, hasn't been attempted yet as far as I know. Closest thing is performers wearing big eyed anime masks. This fetish subgenre is called Kigurumi. This is also known, by me.
post #106 of 140
Off to Google!
post #107 of 140

... Why?

post #108 of 140
McRib research.
post #109 of 140

McRibsearch.

post #110 of 140
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The hentai market has gotten along just fine in the last decade or so with the plethora of 3DCG, and live action adaptations and parodies. It is known, by me.

Or did you mean a mix of live action and performance capture like Alita and Avatar? If thats the case, then yeah, hasn't been attempted yet as far as I know. Closest thing is performers wearing big eyed anime masks. This fetish subgenre is called Kigurumi. This is also known, by me.

"12 years of schooling and 8 years of medical practice, and I still learn new things everyday here at CHUD." - Analog Olmos
post #111 of 140
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Originally Posted by CD Underbelly View Post

The hentai market has gotten along just fine in the last decade or so with the plethora of 3DCG, and live action adaptations and parodies. It is known, by me.

Or did you mean a mix of live action and performance capture like Alita and Avatar? If thats the case, then yeah, hasn't been attempted yet as far as I know. Closest thing is performers wearing big eyed anime masks. This fetish subgenre is called Kigurumi. This is also known, by me.

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post #112 of 140
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"12 years of schooling and 8 years of medical practice, and I still learn new things everyday here at CHUD." - Analog Olmos

I live to service you, milord.
post #113 of 140
I can say with 100% certainty that Kigurumi is not my thing.
post #114 of 140
Oh, that's what everyone says at first.
post #115 of 140

No surprise the manga eyes was Cameron's idea. Clearly making the new AVATAR films has made his mind snap. 

post #116 of 140

Are the big eyes supposedly mirroring the acting choices of the performer, or what? Her whole face looks like fakey CG to me.

post #117 of 140

It's pretty clear the CGI is meant to enhance the fact they didn't want to cast an Asian actress.

post #118 of 140
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I can say with 100% certainty that Kigurumi is not my thing.

 



Too animu for you, senpai?
post #119 of 140
Indeed.
post #120 of 140
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Originally Posted by Muzman View Post




Rodriguez says the orgin explains the eyes.  But in the comic all humans have roughly those same sorts of youthful facial exageration, relative to age/gender etc, so it's not so bizarrely out of place. So I guess they are going for something else, like,I dunno,  if you're from mars you have terrible Graves Disease or whatever.

At any rate It's mainly just that they didn't have to make them quite so big.  This as an anime touchstone has faded from the public consciousness almost completely, Otherwise I'd think you'd have seen fan-shopping of someone like Jenna Coleman in the role quite a bit.  (of course she fails the disgusting racist bias of Rodriguez)

Aren't those both robots?

I remember a number of humans in that anime having smaller eyes.

post #121 of 140
Doing digital stuff to the face, and this characters relation to Cammy, remind me how much I want a Street Fighter movie with digital heads like that Street Fighter X Tekken commercial.
post #122 of 140
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Aren't those both robots?

I remember a number of humans in that anime having smaller eyes.

 

Adult males typically, yeah.  Hugo's not cyborg at first, I don't think.  He's just young.

Adult females have the same sort of 'cute' distention.

 

 

 

It's just the art style and doesn't signify anything in particular, I'd say.  Now Alita is the only one we've seen with eyes like that so it's something to do with her origins and not even being cybernetic.

post #123 of 140
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Originally Posted by wasp View Post
 

apparently this has a $200 mil production budget.

 

what is that, like 5 times the budget of any of RR's other movies?

 

The funny thing about that is, he's most likely doing this because the wheels seem to have fallen off the homemade Mexploitation cottage industry he had going on. Most people downgrade to doing lower budget fare when their career hit the skids. After a string of flops RobRod managed to downgrade to being shooter-for-hire on a 200m effects epic.

 

I still like Rodriguez, in theory at least, so I'm kind of interested to see how well he handles a regular modern blockbuster. Also if it's a hit maybe he'll finally get to make Fire & Ice which I do want to see. But I'm not sure it bodes well that the weird big eyes are the only memorable thing about the trailer.

post #124 of 140
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Originally Posted by SimBOB View Post

Aren't those both robots?


I remember a number of humans in that anime having smaller eyes.



Adult males typically, yeah.  Hugo's not cyborg at first, I don't think.  He's just young.
Adult females have the same sort of 'cute' distention.





It's just the art style and doesn't signify anything in particular, I'd say.  Now Alita is the only one we've seen with eyes like that so it's something to do with her origins and not even being cybernetic.

Yeah, it's the art style. Having said that, within the style I'd say she has pretty normal sized eyes.

I just watched some of of the anime a bit ago, and Alita's eyes are like twice the size of that boys. Her eye are noticeably bigger than everyone else's in that cartoon. It's harder to tell in that specific drawing given the angle and them being smaller in the frame, but there's some closeups where it's very noticeable.
post #125 of 140
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Also if it's a hit maybe he'll finally get to make Fire & Ice which I do want to see. But I'm not sure it bodes well that the weird big eyes are the only memorable thing about the trailer.

He wants to remake some obscure movie from 2001?



Well, more to power him, I guess.
post #126 of 140
Notice her senpai!



No? Does nothin' for ya? Eh.
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post #128 of 140
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Also if it's a hit maybe he'll finally get to make Fire & Ice which I do want to see. But I'm not sure it bodes well that the weird big eyes are the only memorable thing about the trailer.

 

What? A remake of the Bakshi movie? Man, without the Frazetta art, I don't know if that will work.

 

I will say that, creepy waifu aside, I'm interested to see what they do with this. But the creepy waifu thing does bug me cause it IS super creepy. Like, they make her decidedly other with the big eyes to differentiate her as a character. But still very human to make her easier to empathize with. And with being all CG you have the uncanny valley to deal with, fair enough, but the decidedly inhuman proportions which may have been an attempt to bridge that valley just succeed in making her even MORE uncanny.

 

It's an uncanny valley within the uncanny valley.

post #129 of 140

Yeah, Rodriguez has a strange career. The '90s has him basically doing what he wants, from El Mariachi to Desperado to From Dusk til Dawn. But then he shifts gears and makes The Faculty, a reasonably successful post-Scream teen horror movie that's mostly lacking his gonzo directorial style.

 

Then a couple of Spy Kids movies and you figure at that point, all right, he's just interested in paying for his kids' college education and buying a new pool. 

 

But then he switches gears back to Once Upon a Time in Mexico and you figure he hasn't forgotten his roots, then has his most mainstream success with Sin City by doing exactly what he wants to do. 

 

Grindhouse is the real paradigm shift. It's the ultimate culmination of the '90s indie kids (Rodriguez, Tarantino and Kevin Smith fizzling out with Clerks 2 a year earlier when mainstream work like Jersey Girl didn't hit) still trying to be rebels. Except it wasn't successful, and Tarantino's following work is much more mature and on a completely different trajectory.

 

But Rodriguez follows that up with what's comfortable: Machete and sequels to Spy Kids and Sin City. 

 

Something like whatever the hell Battle Angel Alita is (Cameron still hung up on his Jessica Alba Dark Angel TV show?) just feels like he's given up.   

post #130 of 140
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What? A remake of the Bakshi movie? Man, without the Frazetta art, I don't know if that will work.

 

Yeah I think the idea is to do a live action adaptation. Rodriguez isn't the first person I'd pick, but he's the one whose been trying to get it off the ground for the last few years.

 

I actually think Zach Snyder in 300 mode might be a good person to do it. He can provide the overcooked visuals and would be happy to go unapologetically retrograde in the spirit of faithfulness to the source, which is the only way to do it IMO. I'm mainly in it for the visuals and high camp value.

 

This is probably the absolute worst moment to do a faithful take on Frazetta, though. The "is this acceptable in 20XX??" debates surrounding it would be insufferable.

post #131 of 140
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Originally Posted by Paul C View Post
 

 

Yeah I think the idea is to do a live action adaptation. Rodriguez isn't the first person I'd pick, but he's the one whose been trying to get it off the ground for the last few years.

 

I actually think Zach Snyder in 300 mode might be a good person to do it. He can provide the overcooked visuals and would be happy to go unapologetically retrograde in the spirit of faithfulness to the source, which is the only way to do it IMO. I'm mainly in it for the visuals and high camp value.

 

 

Ah damn, Snyder would be perfect. 

post #132 of 140
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post #133 of 140
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Yeah, Rodriguez has a strange career. The '90s has him basically doing what he wants, from El Mariachi to Desperado to From Dusk til Dawn. But then he shifts gears and makes The Faculty, a reasonably successful post-Scream teen horror movie that's mostly lacking his gonzo directorial style.

Then a couple of Spy Kids movies and you figure at that point, all right, he's just interested in paying for his kids' college education and buying a new pool. 

But then he switches gears back to Once Upon a Time in Mexico and you figure he hasn't forgotten his roots, then has his most mainstream success with Sin City by doing exactly what he wants to do. 

Grindhouse is the real paradigm shift. It's the ultimate culmination of the '90s indie kids (Rodriguez, Tarantino and Kevin Smith fizzling out with Clerks 2 a year earlier when mainstream work like Jersey Girl didn't hit) still trying to be rebels. Except it wasn't successful, and Tarantino's following work is much more mature and on a completely different trajectory.

But Rodriguez follows that up with what's comfortable: Machete and sequels to Spy Kids and Sin City. 

Something like whatever the hell Battle Angel Alita is (Cameron still hung up on his Jessica Alba Dark Angel TV show?) just feels like he's given up.   

I never got the idea that the Spy Kids were that for him. He had some kids, and he wanted to make some kids movies. He also more specifically wanted to make kids movies with Hispanic kids as the leads.

He also had a number of projects during that time he did Machete that just never went anywhere. There were the Barbarella and Red Sonja movies, there was that Heavy Metal movie, there was Fire and Ice, (which I could see Game of Thrones killing) a A Princess of Mars movie, and then Sin City 2 taking years for him to do. I can't remember exactly what interviews it was, but I remember reading an interview with Rose McGowan a few years ago where she sounded kind of pissed off about how Rodriguez was seemingly unwilling to leave home, which seems to be the reason some of those projects ended up dying. Rodriguez doing a Battle Angel Alita movie seems right in his wheelhouse.

Pretty sure Dark Angel happens because of Cameron wanting to do a Battle Angel Alita movie so much.
post #134 of 140
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What? A remake of the Bakshi movie? Man, without the Frazetta art, I don't know if that will work.

Yeah I think the idea is to do a live action adaptation. Rodriguez isn't the first person I'd pick, but he's the one whose been trying to get it off the ground for the last few years.

I actually think Zach Snyder in 300 mode might be a good person to do it. He can provide the overcooked visuals and would be happy to go unapologetically retrograde in the spirit of faithfulness to the source, which is the only way to do it IMO. I'm mainly in it for the visuals and high camp value.

This is probably the absolute worst moment to do a faithful take on Frazetta, though. The "is this acceptable in 20XX??" debates surrounding it would be insufferable.

Seems like an odd statement give 300 is Snyder doing what Rodriguez had already done a few years earlier with a Frank Millar comic.

Well, Fire and Ice was his next movie a few years ago, when stupid "current year" debates wouldn't have been as insufferable as in current year. It's probably dead too, just another thing he owns the rights to like Heavy Metal.

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Notice her senpai!



No? Does nothin' for ya? Eh.
post #135 of 140
Problem?
post #136 of 140

Horrible Americanized live action manga adaptation spawns an equally horrible thread. Bloody James Cameron and his "genius".

post #137 of 140
Too blue animu for you?
post #138 of 140

No. Stop being daft.

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post #140 of 140
Eyes too small.
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