Originally Posted by Tyler Foster
No arguing that Tarantino probably gets unwarranted levels of praise from people who have not and won't ever know of a filmmaker edgier than Tarantino. At the same time, after two years of slogging through nearly 100+ genre pastiches via DVDTalk, I can say without a doubt that 19 out of 20 of these things don't even have a good moment in them, and significantly less are actually worth watching. What Tarantino has that 99.9% of his imitators don't is an encyclopedic knowledge of the films he's referencing and where those filmmakers came up with the riffs, and the influences that inspired them, and so on and so forth. Too many filmmakers just replicate what they saw, and usually what they saw was endearingly shitty already, so then you have a bunch of people doing a spoof of something they all just think is shitty, and the result is even shittier.
Also, my memory has always been that Rourke was supposed to do Death Proof. Doesn't matter either way, Kurt is great.
I saw John Carter, which was pretty good, and 21 Jump Street, which might be (for me) the funniest action-comedy since Hot Fuzz.
Completely agreed on QT. He could easily point to any reference in his film and tell you exactly what he was referencing and every other film that references the same bit or was heavily influenced by the same material. The biggest difference between Tarantino and his imitators is that 99.9% of the time he knows how to use those references in a different and interesting way, as opposed to simply regurgitating what came before.
On Death Proof...........................Quentin wrote DP with Mickey Rourke in mind for Stuntman Mike. The early faux promo poster that he had done up even has Rourke's name on it. My understanding is that Rourke flirted with signing on, but decided to get really ballsy and demanded a bunch of changes to the script. They ended up having a falling out and I really doubt Tarantino will be going back to Rourke again anytime soon with a role. Mickey has burned that bridge. Hell, Mickey has burned most of the bridges he had with talented filmmakers. The only ones actively pursuing him for roles still are Tony Scott and Robert Rodriguez...............and I suspect the latter is about to give up on him as well. I suspect that within the next five years, Mr. Go Play With Yourself is going to find his career in the same shitpile it was in at the end of the 80s......................and for the expect same reasons: ego and greed. I find it hilarious reading any interview with him around the time The Wrestler caught on. He seemed so humble and dead set on making the best of his comeback. So much for that! Anyway, Rourke passed and Quentin took the role to Sly. Stallone passed due to scheduling conflicts and Quentin was supposedly out of ideas at the time. Apparently Rodriguez was the one who suggested he try to get Kurt Russell and the rest is history!
As for 21 Jump Street, I think both you and Joon have finally convinced me to make it a point to see that sucker in theaters.
Originally Posted by Engineer
Again, I'm a Tarantino fan. What he does, he does exceedingly well. And I'd love to see him do something truly uniquely personal. Something about who he is and what he's lived through in his life, for example. This DJANGO UNCHAINED sounds like a step in the right direction in that it could be his chance to tackle themes of race and slavery, if it's not too pulped-up. Maybe I'm off base, though. Either way, I'm looking forward to it! :)
Unless he shoots it in a crazed fashion, Django isn't going to be "pulpy". Quick and brutal with a dark sense of humor is a better way to describe the script as written.
Originally Posted by dude hallenbeck
11) Hunter Killer.
Unless this sucker gets off the ground in the next couple of months, there's no way it's getting released in 2012. I don't even think they have leads yet, unfortunately. A few current action star-esque actors have flirted with the project, but as far as I know none of them officially signed on yet.