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9/10

Let’s just get the embarrassing truth out of the way: as big a Robotech fan as I am, I’ve never seen Macross before. Primarily because I’ve been too cheap to shell out for the rather pricey DVD sets, but also for some more dignified reason to be named at a later date. However new licensee ADV Films’ superb re-release of the series has my resistance on the ropes. Though I know the story by heart, Volume 1 Upon the Shoulders of Giants had me mesmerized all over again

It’s not hard to see why Macross has been one of the most enduring sci-fi anime franchises, full of dazzling action, thrilling suspense, memorable characters, phenomenal art design, and even some romance. Er, for the ladies of course. Never you mind where I got that copy of Titanic. Macross is a welcome relief from the philosophical doublespeak and vague symbolism that recently seem to overwhelm many sci-fi anime. Rather than trying to confuse the audience it simply tells a crackling good yarn. Thankfully that never goes out of style.

Volume 1 contains the first six of the thirty-six episode series: Booby Trap, Countdown, Space Fold, The Long Wait, Transformation, and Blitzkrieg/Daedelus Attack. The saga begins when a massive alien spacecraft crash-lands on a remote island in the Pacific Ocean. Over the next decade man rebuilds it into the mighty Super Dimension Fortress Macross, only to have the launch ceremony crashed when its alien owners arrive to reclaim it in violent fashion. Hotshot stunt pilot Hikaru Ichijo, having come to visit veteran combat flier Roy Focker, inadvertently joins his friend in defending the ship. In the chaos he saves the life of the winsome teen Lynn Minmay and is soon smitten with her. When the Macross uses the untested fold system to escape enemy forces, it and a large chunk of the island’s population are unexpectedly transported across the galaxy to Pluto. As Hikaru and Minmay begin to get friendly the Macross sets off on the perilous journey home.

Even longtime Robotech veterans will be thrilled to see these episodes in their entirety. Numerous edits were made to Robotech for reasons of time, continuity, and censorship, and though most of the edits were only a few seconds they make all the difference in fleshing out the world of Macross. In Robotech it was a complete mystery to me how the civilian population got on board the Macross, but here it is laid out, however improbably.

Like the audience the impulsive but well-meaning Hikaru (Rick Hunter in Robotech) is thrust into a bizarre world completely unaware, and we view the proceedings from his vantage point. Mentor Roy is a lovable Han Solo-ish rascal, romantically involved with gregarious Macross crewmember Claudia LaSalle. Although it’s still early in the game here, eventually Minmay and Macross Executive Officer Misa Hayase (Lisa Hayes) will vie for Hikaru’s affections, the former rather childish and self-absorbed and the latter a little uptight and socially inept. Macross Captain Global is the typical inspirational leader, and contrary to my recollection something of a cynic and a goofball as well. The imperious alien commander Britai and his sycophantic advisor Exedol will also be familiar to Robotech viewers, although they don’t see much development until much later in the series.

It’s a treat to hear the Japanese cast for the first time, and they are strong across the board. ADV’s spanking new English dub is largely a success as well. Many of the characters adopt similar voices to the Robotech cast. The only problems are the super cheesy narration and Minmay, who is played again by original Macross voice actress Mari Iijima. While it is a feather in the cap to have her on board and I’m sure she can knock the songs out of the park, her English acting leaves much to be desired.

Macross knows how to please action fans, and the dogfights between the humans’ transformable Valkyrie fighters and enemy battlepods are as exhilarating as ever. One can only imagine how fantastic a live action version would look.

There’s a fair amount of humor, here largely expressed in the form of jokes at the expense of Global and Misa. Also keep an eye out for several in-jokes, including mecha designer Shoji Kawamori nearly getting killed by Hikaru’s Valkyrie as he approaches a massage parlor. Kawamori, that is, not the Valkyrie. It had a strict Mormon upbringing.

Macross gets topical with some interesting and contrasting statements on the UN. On the one hand our heroes defend the earth under the UN banner, so it is clearly a force for good. On the other we discover that the current UN is the product of bloody worldwide unification wars, and so not exactly a force for peace.

In another tidbit I believe omitted from Robotech Roy explains why the Valkyries do that whole transformation business. It turns out it’s not just about selling toys, but that the UN somehow knew in advance the physical attributes of the aliens (possibly from studying the Macross) and designed robot fighters to match. Explained in Robotech, but not here is why the aliens want the Macross back so much, or why it ended up on Earth in the first place. Perhaps that’s saved for later episodes.

The transfer is excellent for a show of Macross’s age, and the animation still holds up pretty well. There’s just something endearing about completely hand drawn animation that the computer-assisted variety can’t match. It’s got soul.

I’m torn between the scores of Macross and Robotech. Both are effective and exciting, as opposed to the awkward jazzy soundtrack of Mospeada. Certainly the main Robotech theme is much better than Macross’s corny, melodramatic opening and closing songs.

Special features on Volume 1 include an interview with Iijima on her role as Minmay, an interview with ADV’s translator, the original 1984 English dub of the first episode, and commentary on two episodes from cast and staff members. Sadly there is no art gallery, which is a shame for this mecha rich universe.

Macross is a must own series. Thrilling, moving, and visually captivating, this space opera great will quickly have you hooked. ADV has a nearly perfect fix for you. Now if only someone would make a decent Macross video game. I’m tired of hearing Gundam fans have more fun.
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Good review. I've only watched these as "Robotech" and bought that version of the 36 episodes when they were put out by ADV on disc a few years back. The first half of the series held up well but at about the midpoint of the saga, roughly when Roy was killed off, I began to lose interest quickly. The show started to get too much into Minmay's singing career (which in the english version consisted of the same 2 songs over and over), Rick's love triangle, and the aliens getting far too goofy.
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Good review. I've only watched these as "Robotech" and bought that version of the 36 episodes when they were put out by ADV on disc a few years back. The first half of the series held up well but at about the midpoint of the saga, roughly when Roy was killed off, I began to lose interest quickly. The show started to get too much into Minmay's singing career (which in the english version consisted of the same 2 songs over and over), Rick's love triangle, and the aliens getting far too goofy.
You might want to check out Macross. It's slightly more mature than the Robotech version, and if you bought Robotech several years ago this transfer is much better.

I agree that the show has a bit too much Minmei, but I didn't mind the love triangle or the alien defectors. The final quarter of the series has some incredible battles, especially the huge fleet engagement above Earth.
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This transfer is actually the one that was done by Animeigo where they remastered and cleaned up the scratches and particles from the original material. They also "brighten"(? not too sure how to call it) some of the colors and made the picture sharper. The one downside of this is that some details are lost, though unless you're a purist like me who owned the original LDs it isn't going to matter much and not something you'd notice it at all.

Desslar, why the zentrans are chasing the ship is explained in later episodes, like some 1/5 to the end of the series, but the reason it ended up on Earth is only briefly touched on. Only research thru supplemental materials do you get a better idea why though.

One of the bigger differences in my opinion of this series compared to the Robotech series is that in Macross they are more technical details of the world around them. While this doesn't really advance the story that much, it really given one a more immersive world one can get into.

And yes the massive climatic battle at episode 27(though the series is 36 eps long, episode 27 was originally the final episode. Due to the series' popularity they were contracted by the television stations for an additional 9 eps) really rocks my world. Unfortunately the episodes after that are a bit anti-climax as a result but worthwhile to follow to the end if you like the characters.

As for Minmei of the original Macross, she's comes across as a normal 16 year old girl and therefore a more sympathetic character than the ditzy Minmay of Robotech. And her songs are better and there are more of them too. Only Robotech's "We will win" in ep27 comes close to the caliber of Macross's songs.

I like Macross, can you tell?

Anyway, even though I already have the Animeigo's release of Macross, I will be picking this set up too, eventually. I still harbor a dislike of ADV's releases after they burnt me one time too many in their earlier years. It's only now they're starting to pay better attention to the detail of their products.
Hell, just look at the cover of the DVD and the extras that Desslar detailed there. Mari Iljima's interview alone is worth my cash. Especially considering Macross is the only anime series/movie she ever worked on.
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Desslar, why the zentrans are chasing the ship is explained in later episodes, like some 1/5 to the end of the series, but the reason it ended up on Earth is only briefly touched on. Only research thru supplemental materials do you get a better idea why though.
Cool, I guess I'll have to keep watching.

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One of the bigger differences in my opinion of this series compared to the Robotech series is that in Macross they are more technical details of the world around them. While this doesn't really advance the story that much, it really given one a more immersive world one can get into.
Well put. You get a sense that there's more going on beyond just the main characters.

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And yes the massive climatic battle at episode 27(though the series is 36 eps long, episode 27 was originally the final episode. Due to the series' popularity they were contracted by the television stations for an additional 9 eps) really rocks my world. Unfortunately the episodes after that are a bit anti-climax as a result but worthwhile to follow to the end if you like the characters.
You don't say? I always thought the last quarter of the series did seem a little anitclimactic, although the final assault on the Macross is exciting.

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Only Robotech's "We will win" in ep27 comes close to the caliber of Macross's songs.
Also my favorite of her ditties.

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Hell, just look at the cover of the DVD and the extras that Desslar detailed there. Mari Iljima's interview alone is worth my cash. Especially considering Macross is the only anime series/movie she ever worked on.
She does fine playing Minmay in Japanese, but I didn't really warm to her English.

So do you have Do You Remember Love on DVD?
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Cool, I guess I'll have to keep watching.
However from memory, they didn't really expand on it much beyond what you'd learn figured out for yourself from the first 6 episodes though.


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She does fine playing Minmay in Japanese, but I didn't really warm to her English.
I figured as much. Like I mentioned before, she hasn't done any VA work other than Macross, and that's some 20 years ago. She has however lived in LA for the past 15-20 years since she got married, so her English can't be that bad.
Could it?

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So do you have Do You Remember Love on DVD?
Absolutely. I would have picked up the LD version too from a second hand store, if it weren't for the fact it's nearly a quarter in weight of my already overloaded luggage from my trip to Tokyo some 5-6 years ago.
The DVD almost makes up for it by being packaged in a LD sized box(??) with a nice cover art drawn by Mikimoto, the original character designer for Macross. It also came with a reprint copy of the original movie poster.
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I figured as much. Like I mentioned before, she hasn't done any VA work other than Macross, and that's some 20 years ago. She has however lived in LA for the past 15-20 years since she got married, so her English can't be that bad.
Could it?
For a Japanese citizen her English is quite good, but it's still a bit unnatural and accented at times. Plus it's just harder to act in a foreign language.


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Absolutely. I would have picked up the LD version too from a second hand store, if it weren't for the fact it's nearly a quarter in weight of my already overloaded luggage from my trip to Tokyo some 5-6 years ago.
The DVD almost makes up for it by being packaged in a LD sized box(??) with a nice cover art drawn by Mikimoto, the original character designer for Macross. It also came with a reprint copy of the original movie poster
So we're obviously talking about a Region 2 edition. Damn, I've got to get me a region-free player.

I wish Mikimoto had done more stuff. He does contribute to the equally awesome Megazone 23, but after that I lost track of him.
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So we're obviously talking about a Region 2 edition. Damn, I've got to get me a region-free player.
I wish I could have helped you on the Macross: Love, Do You Remember? movie (though better known as Do You Remember Love? or DYRL by the fandom) but a place I know that used to sell them, in region free encoding and with English soft subs, I found has just closed it's doors as of last month. Of course the legitimacy of these copies are rather gray so I don't know if you'd even consider them.
However if you do end up with a region-free player and managed to get hold of a copy of the region 2 DVD you can still have subs for it. This thread has the details on how to do it.
http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/inde...howtopic=13965

I never considered it myself since I know the movie so well that I can watch it raw and not lose a thing. So I don't know how well the process works or if it's even worth the trouble.

One thing I'd say about the DVDs is that I wish they've released a 5.1 DTS version of the movie. The main theme song from the movie deserves it.
In my opinion, quite literally the best Macross song ever.

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I wish Mikimoto had done more stuff. He does contribute to the equally awesome Megazone 23, but after that I lost track of him.

Mikimoto still is my favorite character designer and has done some stuff here and there since Macross. He most notably worked on Gunbuster, Orguss 2, Macross 2(Ouch! The less spoken about this one the better), Macross 7(which I still too distressed about to watch even though I have the full set) and I think Aquarion Age. These days though he is better known as a manga artist and does the odd occasional artworks for novels and stuff.

He's currently working on a manga called "Ecole du Ciel" which is currently being translated and released by Tokyopop. The story is set between the original Gundam series and the Gundam Z series timeline in a Mobile Suit academy.
Why he's working an Gundam manga is understandable considering Gundam was his first love. He was working on a Gundam fanzine in Uni when they hired him to work on Macross on Kawamori's recommendation.

An interesting fact about his involvement in the Macross movie, he personally drew the key animation frames for all the scenes involving the characters. That's dedication. And why they looked so good.
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I wish I could have helped you on the Macross: Love, Do You Remember? movie (though better known as Do You Remember Love? or DYRL by the fandom) but a place I know that used to sell them, in region free encoding and with English soft subs, I found has just closed it's doors as of last month. Of course the legitimacy of these copies are rather gray so I don't know if you'd even consider them.
However if you do end up with a region-free player and managed to get hold of a copy of the region 2 DVD you can still have subs for it. This thread has the details on how to do it.
http://www.macrossworld.com/mwf/inde...howtopic=13965

I never considered it myself since I know the movie so well that I can watch it raw and not lose a thing. So I don't know how well the process works or if it's even worth the trouble.
Cool. My Japanese is good enough that I don't need subs most of the time, but they're nice to have for the occasional burst of expositional sci-fi mumbo jumbo.

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Macross 7(which I still too distressed about to watch even though I have the full set) and I think Aquarion Age.
Macross 7 is beyond awful. It might as well be completely unrelated to the franchise.

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He's currently working on a manga called "Ecole du Ciel" which is currently being translated and released by Tokyopop. The story is set between the original Gundam series and the Gundam Z series timeline in a Mobile Suit academy.
Hmm... I haven't read any manga in some time. Getting lazy I guess.

You didn't mention Megazone 23 but you have seen it right? All Macross fans ought to dig it.
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Cool. My Japanese is good enough that I don't need subs most of the time, but they're nice to have for the occasional burst of expositional sci-fi mumbo jumbo.
From memory that would be when Hikaru and Misa were talking with the AI on the old abandoned alien city.
That bit had me confused until I managed to get hold of the infamous "Clash of the Bionoids" VHS, a re-titled, dubbed and edited version of the Macross movie, which filled me in on what happened there.

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Macross 7 is beyond awful. It might as well be completely unrelated to the franchise.
True. The story was no longer sci-fi in concept and, in my opinion, had de-evolved into pure fantasy with robots and monsters in it in 7. Still, there are people who'd defend it. And some of these are people grew up with the original series.
Brainwashed I say.


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Hmm... I haven't read any manga in some time. Getting lazy I guess.
Don't see a problem there. I only do it because I've always collected mangas even before companies started jumping on that bandwagon of buying them up, translating and releasing them wholesale into the western market. A somewhat moderately expensive hobby but it keeps me amused.

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You didn't mention Megazone 23 but you have seen it right? All Macross fans ought to dig it.
I didn't mention it since you were already familiar with it and I was filling you in on what Mikimoto has done since then.
I've only seen Megazone once and that was a long time ago on a friend's LD player. I can't say I was impressed but that may be due to my friend insistence in keep the audio setup in this strange echo effect. It was like watching a movie at the end of a long empty corridor. Extremely distracting and may have something to do with my flat impression of the movie.
Of course the ending left me cold as well as I felt it resolved nothing and just ended.
Add to that the sequels almost had nothing to do with each other which had me asking just what are these movies sequels to. I wanted questions answered dammit.

As it is, I'm sad to say the only fond memories I have of the Megazone series are the Mikimoto artworks for it. There were quite a few interesting concepts in those movies.
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True. The story was no longer sci-fi in concept and, in my opinion, had de-evolved into pure fantasy with robots and monsters in it in 7.
Not to mention the hero playing guitar in his cockpit. WTF???

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Don't see a problem there. I only do it because I've always collected mangas even before companies started jumping on that bandwagon of buying them up, translating and releasing them wholesale into the western market. A somewhat moderately expensive hobby but it keeps me amused.
I should get back to reading some manga, but I can't bring myself to read translated versions and thumbing through my kanji dictionary is time consuming.


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I've only seen Megazone once and that was a long time ago on a friend's LD player. I can't say I was impressed but that may be due to my friend insistence in keep the audio setup in this strange echo effect. It was like watching a movie at the end of a long empty corridor. Extremely distracting and may have something to do with my flat impression of the movie.
Of course the ending left me cold as well as I felt it resolved nothing and just ended.
Add to that the sequels almost had nothing to do with each other which had me asking just what are these movies sequels to. I wanted questions answered dammit.
Not impressed??? It's one of my alltime favorites. If you've watched part 2 then I would think most of your questions would have been answered. Part of the reason it feels a little condensed is that the original plan was for a full twenty-something episode series, but at the last moment it was scaled back to an OAV. Part 3 can safely be ignored I think.

Have you seen the Robotech The Movie version? I'm dying to know how they tied it in with that franchise.
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Not impressed??? It's one of my alltime favorites. If you've watched part 2 then I would think most of your questions would have been answered. Part of the reason it feels a little condensed is that the original plan was for a full twenty-something episode series, but at the last moment it was scaled back to an OAV. Part 3 can safely be ignored I think.
Like I said, the incredibly distracting sound effects created on my friend's LD Player took me out of the mood, so I never could pay as much attention to the movie as I could have. Considering your high praise of it I'll have to see if I can track the series down, somehow. I was not a particularly easy series to get hold of in the first place and even harder so nowdays. With subs and all.
If I could remember correctly, the designs for Part 3 was quite different from the original two wasn't it? And the storyline along with it.

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Have you seen the Robotech The Movie version? I'm dying to know how they tied it in with that franchise.
The Golan Globus atrocity or the Sentinel one? While I definately never seen the Sentinel pilot which was re-edited into a direct to video release, I'm not too sure about the Golan production. Of which we both know is literally the first Megazone 123 re-edited and dubbed as the Robotech Movie and was *somehow* supposed to be the link between the Macross Saga and Southern Cross series.
The whole damn thing is so hazy and so long ago that I can't say for sure. All I do remember was some vague memory of a character that looks similar to the one in Southern Cross turns up in it and was suppose to be the link between it and the Southern Cross series.

In anycase I do remember people talking about as being a disaster of a movie and was quite literally disavowed it from ever being part of the Robotech universe. Promptly lost in the sands of time and memories of many since.
I forgot about that myself until you brought it up.
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Considering your high praise of it I'll have to see if I can track the series down, somehow. I was not a particularly easy series to get hold of in the first place and even harder so nowdays. With subs and all.
Megazone 23 is very easy to acquire these days. ADV released the series a couple years ago and are often selling it at very low prices (recently $6 a disc) on their website.


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If I could remember correctly, the designs for Part 3 was quite different from the original two wasn't it? And the storyline along with it.
Yes, the very different art style and story made it hard for me to get into. I've never seen the second half. My advice is to stick to Parts I and II.

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The Golan Globus atrocity or the Sentinel one? While I definately never seen the Sentinel pilot which was re-edited into a direct to video release, I'm not too sure about the Golan production. Of which we both know is literally the first Megazone 123 re-edited and dubbed as the Robotech Movie and was *somehow* supposed to be the link between the Macross Saga and Southern Cross series.
The whole damn thing is so hazy and so long ago that I can't say for sure. All I do remember was some vague memory of a character that looks similar to the one in Southern Cross turns up in it and was suppose to be the link between it and the Southern Cross series.
Yeah I was talking about the Golan production. I can't imagine how they could adapt the script to fit the Robotech storyline. I mean, I guess the Megazone city in space is a little like the Macross, the mecha is similar, and there's a Minmei-ish character, but that's as far as it goes.

Have you seen Macross Plus or Zero? I've heard they're great but have never gotten around to watching them.
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Megazone 23 is very easy to acquire these days. ADV released the series a couple years ago and are often selling it at very low prices (recently $6 a disc) on their website.
Ah. So it did get a proper release outside of Japan. I never knew that. Quite possibily due to the fact I never cared for ADV, since they tend to "dumb down" their releases for the western market which I think it's stupid when they're releasing titles that are anything but. Sakura Taisen anyone? Nadescio, etc.
That's beside the point, since they're rectifing that nowdays. I'll see if I can pick up that series locally then. A real change considering that majority of my DVD collection are direct from Japan.


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Yeah I was talking about the Golan production. I can't imagine how they could adapt the script to fit the Robotech storyline. I mean, I guess the Megazone city in space is a little like the Macross, the mecha is similar, and there's a Minmei-ish character, but that's as far as it goes.
And I think you're pretty much right there. It also can't be good since no one ever even remembers about it these days.

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Have you seen Macross Plus or Zero? I've heard they're great but have never gotten around to watching them.
Absolutely. I went nuts for Macross Plus when it first came out (has it really been nearly 10 years now? I beginning to feel old now). Since it was the first proper Macross series that was set properly within the Macross universe since the original Macross series ended. With the Mecha-God Kawamori designing the mechas and directing and Itano of the "Itano Circus" fame handling the action sequences, it is a very worthy series to be part of the Macross name.
The story is solid, characters are good but it is the action sequences with the outstanding mechas that really makes this series shine. Worthwhile series if you liked the action sequences in Macross.
You can either go with the 4 OVAs or just the Movie version, they both have the same running time even if you watch the OVAs back to back. The movie however has a few minutes and sequences taken out as well as added in which adds up with the same running time.
The result of this edit though the movie however flows better if you want to watch the series in one sitting rather than the 4 OVAs in one go. Oh yes, and the final battle also has a greater impact in the movie because of one short sequence added.

The problem though is that the movie DVD version comes hard subbed with only the original Japanese audio track, while the OVAs has both the English(in 5.1) and Japanese(2.0) track, with subs you can turn on or off. So you'd have to make your own mind on this on where your priority lay. I got both since I'm a freak.

Macross Zero is also good but there are two problems with it. One, even though the series is set before the original Macross series, in this case during the Unification Wars where both sides has the alien technology of the variable fighter. However thoug the technology that is present in the series looks far in advance of the original tv series. If you can get pass that, they look great in action.

The second problem is that the series gets all weird on us. I'm talking Macross 7/Protodevlin weird. It's the same problem I we discussed before about how Macross 7 is less sci-fi and more fantasy? Well the same problem here where things takes on a supernatural element where it all comes to a head in the end where things starts floating in the air and stuff. The ending also pretty much a question mark really. While the scenerio is concluded, the story arc properly closed, whatever happens to the two main characters afterwards is never known.
While this is never a bad thing, some series that ended like that are good ones, think High Plains Drifter, Evangelion(the TV series, not the Anno's finger to the fans Movie). This one whoever pretty much had me going "Eh?.... O.K... " ambivalent, really.
Atleast Roy survives. He's the best character in Zero and his dogfight sequences are the best thing about it.

And Yes, there's no guitar playing control stick to be seen anywhere. Sigh of relief...
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A real change considering that majority of my DVD collection are direct from Japan.
You must be made of money.

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The second problem is that the series gets all weird on us. I'm talking Macross 7/Protodevlin weird. It's the same problem I we discussed before about how Macross 7 is less sci-fi and more fantasy? Well the same problem here where things takes on a supernatural element where it all comes to a head in the end where things starts floating in the air and stuff.
Hmmm... that does sound troubling. I like my sci-fi low in fantasy content. I'll definitely have to get Plus though.

Since you like the dogfights, have you ever watched Area 88? I hear Yukikaze is good but I haven't seen it.
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You must be made of money.
Not at all. I tend to be very select and picky with my anime and manga collection so my collection is actually the smallest of all my friends. Of course their collection is made up of the western releases which are much cheaper so they could get more with their dollar. Come to think of it I may have less than 10 complete anime series but we all borrow and share our collection freely with each other. So we individually feel like we have a large collection on hand.

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Hmmm... that does sound troubling. I like my sci-fi low in fantasy content. I'll definitely have to get Plus though.
Zero isn't really all that bad, it's definately better than 7 and the best looking Macross series of them all. It's just that Kawamori has been on a hippie kick ever since his visits to the Himalayas and South America which result in him having a more spiritual outlook on things. Resulting in the series Arajuna, whose theme and concept carried on thru to Macross Zero.
The hardware designs and concepts in it are the most grounded and detailed of the entire Macross series as well, but then comes the spiritual stuff. Whilst the concept and theme of it are beautiful and carries the flow of the story very well you can't help but feel it doesn't belong in a Macross universe especially you've grown up with the original TV series.
Especially with all these hardcore military hardware flying around in it.
Still the battle sequences rocks and would be the main reason you'd follow the story for.

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Since you like the dogfights, have you ever watched Area 88? I hear Yukikaze is good but I haven't seen it.
I've seen the original 88 but haven't touched the new 88 series yet. I liked it back in the day but was totally disappointed with the ending with the original series. If you haven't seen it yet I won't spoil it for you but for me I can't help but think of the main character of the series as, for the lack of a better word, a dick at the end of the series.

Yukikaze has some really great dogfighting sequences but when you consider the fighter's AI is the one doing most of the fighting you can't help but feel the main character is only role there is to provide a human element and a device for exposition to the story. I was more intrigued with the AI and the ailen world they're fighting in than with any of the human characters.
That said, I've yet to watch the fifth and final OVA which only just got released finally at the end of last year. Still waiting to come across a copy of that after the series went on a hiatus for nearly over a year between volume 4 and 5.
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