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post #1 of 38
2/14/06 at 7:24pm
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http://chud.com/news/5927
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post #2 of 38
2/14/06 at 7:29pm
I'm not clear on whether this is a documentary or not. 'Cuz if it's not, it could seem like Polemic City.
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post #3 of 38
2/14/06 at 7:53pm
How can it be a documentary when its mostly fiction?

/Remembers Bowling for Columbine...

Forget that question.

We need to stop all those Volcanic eruptions from polluting the Earth!
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post #4 of 38
2/14/06 at 7:54pm
I'd like to see Al Gore & Michael Chrichton debate this issue.

Whenever I hear the "global warming ain't happening" people open their claptraps, I think about how many people thought the earth was flat and I look down upon them.
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post #5 of 38
2/14/06 at 7:54pm
Thread Starter 
By which you mean you would like to see Michael Chrichton get sonned.
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post #6 of 38
2/14/06 at 7:58pm
Global warming is implausible. What's plausible is that Martin Sheen and Earth First are involved in a gigantic conspiracy to manipulate the weather. Then they were eaten by cannibals.
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post #7 of 38
2/14/06 at 7:59pm
Pretty much. And to think I kinda respected the guy at one point.
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post #8 of 38
2/14/06 at 8:03pm
Very well written article, Devin.

Though the fact is this really is a movie only those who already give a shit about the environment will care about. Misinformation from the 'other side' will come out in full force about the same time as the film and the general public will deem it as bullshit (see: how many people believe Michael Moore didn't actually get his gun from the bank on the same day he applied for an account).
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post #9 of 38
2/14/06 at 8:04pm
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Originally Posted by M.I.A.
How can it be a documentary when its mostly fiction?

/Remembers Bowling for Columbine...

Forget that question.

We need to stop all those Volcanic eruptions from polluting the Earth!
Volcanoes pollute the earth far more than humans ever could. Mt. Pinatubo's eruption in 1989 or so spewed forth more than a thousand times all the man made pollutants ever emitted.

Anyways, Devin, I realize it's easy for the illiterate in economics such as yourself to call market processes the Invisible Hand, since surely such order that arises in the anarchism of trade and prices that clear markets and somehow create order seem to be caused by some mystical force. But it's quite clear why free markets work to stop pollution. If you don't like opening links and reading, I'll give the very short version-it's because on a free market all resources are privately owned. Therefore, air or noise pollution that moves onto the property of others is a trespass, or physical invasion of property and could be prosecuted as such. You could then sue to enjoin the aggressor from polluting on your property, or for damages.

So, while government roads today are immune from being sued for the use of them emitting pollutant matter into the air of nearby homes, on a free market you could sue the private road owner for such actions, and they would have incentives to regulate emissions on their own roads.

http://www.mises.org/rothbard/lawproperty.pdf

Or the html version of Law, Property Rights, and Air Pollution:

http://64.233.179.104/u/Mises?q=cach...&cd=1&ie=UTF-8
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post #10 of 38
2/14/06 at 8:07pm
To say this is unbiased is like saying a movie released by PETA is a reasonable and fair look into animal rights.
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post #11 of 38
2/14/06 at 8:08pm
I guess it's time to start the bias arguement again.
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post #12 of 38
2/14/06 at 8:17pm
All the other side has to do is poke holes in the theory and they can sit back and reap the rewards of paralysis. Its a textbook plan as overused as... when was the last time this happened... oh yeah, the ID debate.
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post #13 of 38
2/14/06 at 8:17pm
Lets just explode the planet and be done with it.
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post #14 of 38
2/14/06 at 8:20pm
Oh for fuck's sake, no one is saying a doc has to be unbiased. (beside those people who are uncomfortable with the position the film's taking.)

And btw, PETA & Al Gore are not equivalent. That's just ig'nint.
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post #15 of 38
2/14/06 at 8:24pm
It's impossible to have an unbiased documentary.
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post #16 of 38
2/14/06 at 8:25pm
Oh please, it doesn't matter that it's biased. Of course it is, but that's beyond the point. A documentary can be entertaining and informative and still biased.
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post #17 of 38
2/14/06 at 8:34pm
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Originally Posted by Angelo Mike
But it's quite clear why free markets work to stop pollution. If you don't like opening links and reading, I'll give the very short version-it's because on a free market all resources are privately owned. Therefore, air or noise pollution that moves onto the property of others is a trespass, or physical invasion of property and could be prosecuted as such. You could then sue to enjoin the aggressor from polluting on your property, or for damages.
lolololol

You are so hopelessly living in a world that only exists in your head.
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post #18 of 38
2/14/06 at 9:30pm
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Originally Posted by Pop Zeus
lolololol

You are so hopelessly living in a world that only exists in your head.
Of course, you can substantiate this...exactly how? By claiming that the monopoly on the use of aggressive force that is the state will alleviate all our problems if only moral and decent enough people fill it? Please. As it is, the state is by far the hugest enabler of such invasions of property, pollution, and crime.
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post #19 of 38
2/14/06 at 11:16pm
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Originally Posted by Pop Zeus
lolololol

You are so hopelessly living in a world that only exists in your head.
Best place for it.
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post #20 of 38
2/14/06 at 11:25pm
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Originally Posted by Angelo Mike
Of course, you can substantiate this...exactly how? By claiming that the monopoly on the use of aggressive force that is the state will alleviate all our problems if only moral and decent enough people fill it? Please. As it is, the state is by far the hugest enabler of such invasions of property, pollution, and crime.

There's a humour forum, you know.
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post #21 of 38
2/14/06 at 11:42pm
Angelo- How much mass did Pinatubo launch into the air? Don't feel any pressure to give a precise answer, just within an order of magnitude in kilotons, please.
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post #22 of 38
2/15/06 at 12:38am

Wwmgd

What would Mel Gibson Do?
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post #23 of 38
2/15/06 at 1:35am
No response, Angelo? Surely if you know that Pinatubo created 1000 times the pollution produced by all humans throughout history, then you also know how much that represents? It's an elementary question.
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post #24 of 38
2/15/06 at 2:01am
Not that it matters much, but anyone else think that the title sucks?

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... the thrilling sequel to World in the Balance.
You mean Earth in the Balance, right?
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post #25 of 38
2/15/06 at 2:24am
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Originally Posted by Angelo Mike
Of course, you can substantiate this...exactly how? By claiming that the monopoly on the use of aggressive force that is the state will alleviate all our problems if only moral and decent enough people fill it? Please. As it is, the state is by far the hugest enabler of such invasions of property, pollution, and crime.
Its because you live in a utopia where unrestrained corporations behave benevolently. Sorry, but that's not how reality is. The more deregulation that goes on, the more power corporations have to wield over gov'ts and their citizens. If gov't is reduced to the size you've suggested in previous threads, we end up living in a corporate oligarchy that resembles feudalism.
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post #26 of 38
2/15/06 at 3:17am
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I guess this will be the lefty version of the Left Behind books
That's funny.

The first thought that came to mind after reading this piece was that Al Gore wants to run in '08, and this is a unique opportunity to put himself back on the political map in a big way. Whether this is the case or not, I'll be interested to see it.
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post #27 of 38
2/15/06 at 4:04am
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Originally Posted by Angelo Mike
Volcanoes pollute the earth far more than humans ever could. Mt. Pinatubo's eruption in 1989 or so spewed forth more than a thousand times all the man made pollutants ever emitted.

Anyways, Devin, I realize it's easy for the illiterate in economics such as yourself to call market processes the Invisible Hand, since surely such order that arises in the anarchism of trade and prices that clear markets and somehow create order seem to be caused by some mystical force. But it's quite clear why free markets work to stop pollution. If you don't like opening links and reading, I'll give the very short version-it's because on a free market all resources are privately owned. Therefore, air or noise pollution that moves onto the property of others is a trespass, or physical invasion of property and could be prosecuted as such. You could then sue to enjoin the aggressor from polluting on your property, or for damages.

So, while government roads today are immune from being sued for the use of them emitting pollutant matter into the air of nearby homes, on a free market you could sue the private road owner for such actions, and they would have incentives to regulate emissions on their own roads.

http://www.mises.org/rothbard/lawproperty.pdf

Or the html version of Law, Property Rights, and Air Pollution:

http://64.233.179.104/u/Mises?q=cach...&cd=1&ie=UTF-8
And at what point do scantily-clad anime faeries arrive and distribute free blowjobs? Because that's got to fit into this fantasy scenario somewhere.
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post #28 of 38
2/15/06 at 1:04pm
Just to totally debunk that ridiculous Volcano/Pinatubo talking point that gets repeated far too often:

http://volcano.und.nodak.edu/vwdocs/...estion458.html
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post #29 of 38
2/15/06 at 1:36pm
I like how Angelo Mike thinks every business that owns property will be able to successfully sue a corporation.
"Hey! GE! Your plant is polluting the air above my bait shop!"
"So sue me, butthead. Maybe I'll see you in court 20 years and a million dollars from now. Bwa-haw-haw-haw!"
*lights cigar with hundred dollar bill*
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post #30 of 38
2/15/06 at 2:51pm

nothing to see here

There is no such thing as global warming or an over-polluted environment. George Bush is protecting our freedoms from evil doers. Yup, doers of evil. The war in Iraq was not first called:

Operation
Iraqi
Liberation

Nope. There is no such thing as fascism in America, either. Nothing to see here, dummies, move it along.
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post #31 of 38
2/15/06 at 4:00pm
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Originally Posted by CapitanAmerica
Not that it matters much, but anyone else think that the title sucks?

You mean Earth in the Balance, right?
I thought it was called HARRY POTTER AND THE BALANCE OF EARTH?
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post #32 of 38
2/15/06 at 4:41pm

harry twatter

If there is a god in heaven, then Hillary Clinton will run for prez with Bill as her veep and Al Gore as a poorly-bearded sage--like in the olden days when wizards ruled the earth. Or priests. Or Al Gores.
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post #33 of 38
2/15/06 at 8:03pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark
I like how Angelo Mike thinks every business that owns property will be able to successfully sue a corporation.
"Hey! GE! Your plant is polluting the air above my bait shop!"
"So sue me, butthead. Maybe I'll see you in court 20 years and a million dollars from now. Bwa-haw-haw-haw!"
*lights cigar with hundred dollar bill*
One wonders (a little) if he could explain where these lawsuits are now. Corporations pollute now, the legal system allows for suing for damages now, so by his reasoning there should be no pollution as all the polluters ought to have been sued out of existence. Yet pollution exists. Obviously there's a flaw in his reasoning.

Imagine that.

One also wonders (a little) why he keeps linking to people saying the same thing he does and calling such claims citations. That's like claiming Iraq had an illicit arsenal and using a transcript of George Bush saying Iraq had weapons to prove it. Then again, we're talking about a guy who sees the Oregon Petition as legitimate climatological research and anecdotal sob stories written by op-ed columnists for publications sympathetic to The Cause as proof that the minimum wage does more harm than good. In other words, he's not the clearest thinker I know of.
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post #34 of 38
2/15/06 at 8:22pm
Communist regimes have the best records when it comes to the environment, just look a Chernobyl.
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post #35 of 38
2/15/06 at 8:31pm
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Originally Posted by The Kraken
I thought it was called HARRY POTTER AND THE BALANCE OF EARTH?
Very good Futurama reference.
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post #36 of 38
2/15/06 at 11:43pm
Oh sure, blame the wizards.
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post #37 of 38
2/16/06 at 12:04am
Angelo Mike is always good for a laugh.

Fact is , no industrised country's record on pollution is something to brag about.

I would like to move this discussion beyond the cliches of both the left and the right, but I ain't holding my breath.....
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post #38 of 38
2/16/06 at 6:19am
Everything is a partisan issue. There is no situation so complex and layered that it cannot be boiled down to Republican vs Democrat. That's the way of the universe.
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