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post #51 of 369
Eagles are reportedly ready to sign some free agents. Philadelphia Inquirer is reporting that they will sign the Saints center Bentley once free agency opens (granted, if there's a new CBA, that could change). Comcast SportsNet is reporting that the Eagles will sign LB Shawn Barber and QB Jeff Garcia once free agency opens and cut Koy Detmer and Mike McMahon.
post #52 of 369
well seeing how the eagles aren't allowed to talk to any of those guys i'd love to see them get busted with tampering. they're the bitches that filed a lawsuit against the cowboys when jerry jones made a comment about TO.

i hope bentley doesn't go anywhere near philly. everything he say's lean's toward's him wanting to play for the browns. he's from ohio and the browns are way under the cap. they already spent a 1st round pick on jeff faine a few years back and bentley has always stated he prefer's center over guard. are cleveland willing to give up on faine already?
post #53 of 369
Apperently they extended the possible doom of the NFL until Thursday now. If the NFL ends up with the uncapped year, I have read that the playerts will not let the cap come back. They would dissolve the union to prevent a lockout by the owners. Not sure about how that all works, but they better come to som agreement on how to divide out their billions or else the NFL could end up like the crap baseball league.

What I read about Brees is that the Chargers are afraid that the shoulder injury will rob him of some arm strength permantely. Also that he would not be 100% at the beginning of the year (ready to play but not where he should be). So the huge money he would get is not worth the gamble since they intend to go with Rivers. That will most likely set them back pretty good, because who knows how Rivers will play as starter.

On the Colts and James, I have read that many think he is overated. That Moore's offense and the passing game make his play look better than it should. That the drop off with going with a much cheaper back would not be that significant. He will be 28 by next season, and the clock is allways ticking on rb's, with 30 being over the hill. Reggie Wayne is a bigger priority for them apperently.
post #54 of 369
Shaun Alexander gets a $62 million eight-year contract. He'll now be the highest paid RB in football. I can't think of a bigger waste of 62 million. I think Alexander is a terrific back on a good team. He also plays against the 9ers and Cardinals 4 times in a season. Don't get me wrong Shaun deserves to be paid but not that much. LT deserves to be the highest paid back.

Also Kerry Collins and his 9 million dollar salary are gone from Oakland. He went 7-21 in his career at Oakland. Well with Norv gone and Kerry out who will be blamed when they record another bad year in 06?

Interesting about Edge I will be interested to see what Indy will do on draft day.
post #55 of 369
Derrick Brooks restructured his contract, which means he'll most likely end his career as a Buccaneer. And it freed up about $5 million in cap space. Consumate team player.
post #56 of 369
Well, well well. Arrington bought out of his contract with the Skins. Looks like he's a free agent and saves the team some cap money. Only about 12-13 million more to go!
post #57 of 369
Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Daywalker
LT deserves to be the highest paid back.
Well with Norv gone and Kerry out who will be blamed when they record another bad year in 06?

Interesting about Edge I will be interested to see what Indy will do on draft day.
I read that LT is still the highest paid back, with Alexander second. Art Shell will get a pass for a little bit do to his history with Davis and the fact he has not coached since his last Raiders stint. The Colts did trade Faulk when he was in his prime to draft James, but their pick will not be high enough to grab someone of that pedrigree. Though it will be interesting to see who they grab. Maybe if the league ends up with the lower cap number Edge does not find that big payday, it will be interesting to see what happens there.

Lavar Arrington PAID the Skins 4 million to be released from his contract to become a freeagent. That has got to hurt. I saw that the players association is suing his agent over his contract (something like he did not read all the details in it, so Arrington got all kinds of screwed).
post #58 of 369
LT is now second to Alexander's new deal according to Mike & Mike.

It seems that as of 11pm last night the Owners and Players are in agreement on the CBA, but the owners disagree amongst themselves on the Revenue sharing. The Jerry Joneses don't want the Bill Bidwells getting a huge chunk of their profits. That spells greed essentially. 'Cause that is what creates parity far more than the Cap.

Packers re-sign Ahman Green to 1-yr deal. That could help entice Favre to not retire, and it makes me 100% wrong in my mid-season assessment of stating Green had played his last game as a Packer. Oh well, I hope he makes a good comeback.

Raiders release Collins... where do they draft? Are they gonna vie for one of the top 3, or for a FA QB? Could Brees stay in the division?
post #59 of 369
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That's what the NFL Radio and Fox Sports Radio guys were saying...that it's the revenue sharing b/w the major and "minor" markets that the owners themselves are bickering over, and that's why the players keep walking out. Because although it affects them, they really don't have much of a say in it, it's all on the owners themselves.
post #60 of 369
As much as I love the Revenue Sharing scheme, there is a good argument for calling it an unfair crutch sucking the hard-earned money from successful franchises. Has there ever been a "small-market" owner known for giving it his all to make his club the best it could be? Arizona's Bill Bidwell is known for being un-Godly stingy while Red McCombs formerly of Minnesota was known as a middle-of-the-pack owner sometimes willing to splurge but still loving a more cost-effective product, and then there are the Daniel Snyders and Jerry Joneses who would love to have a Peyton Manning throwing to a Terrell Owens with an LT running the ball headlining a $200+ million payroll.

Do the "small-market" owners create their small markets? (not homering alert) The Packers are one of the most profitable teams in the league and they undoubtedly are in the smallest market. Grant it, they don't have a man at the top who got there by probably being greedy and immorally capitalistic, but aren't they proof that it's the people in charge and not the size of the market? Just advocating the Prince of Darkness here.

EDIT: I forgot to mention that, apparently, the vast majority of the money the owners are arguing over amongst themselves is from TV rights and not from indivdual team revenue at all. Isn't that the shit?
post #61 of 369
The Packers would be in trouble if revenue sharing went away. While they make a good amount from merchandise, they would not generate enough from luxury boxes and local rights that the bigger placed franchises do. They would slip down to small market, and with a lesser payroll and no salary cap, they would end up as non contenders. Sure some teams owners do not try to hard, but with no revenue sharing you get baseball. In baseball you need to catch lighting in the bottle to have succes with a small budget. The fact that teams like the Packers hace had winning years recently shows that the NFL has the best league for fans.
post #62 of 369
Peter King has emphasized the point that the difference between big and small market teams in the NFL is nothing like the difference in baseball. Even a small market team like Jacksonville has a $150 million dollar payroll, they'd be able to keep a Leftwich if they wanted to.
post #63 of 369
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Originally Posted by Saint G
The Packers would be in trouble if revenue sharing went away. While they make a good amount from merchandise, they would not generate enough from luxury boxes and local rights that the bigger placed franchises do. They would slip down to small market, and with a lesser payroll and no salary cap, they would end up as non contenders. Sure some teams owners do not try to hard, but with no revenue sharing you get baseball. In baseball you need to catch lighting in the bottle to have succes with a small budget. The fact that teams like the Packers hace had winning years recently shows that the NFL has the best league for fans.
Missed the boat: you

Sans revenue sharing, Green Bay makes more than most clubs. I believe Forbes had them at or around 10th for NFL Team profits in 2004, I'm not sure what 2005's numbers were. One of the most dedicated fan bases which make every game a sell-out and they DO in fact have lots of luxury boxes. They remodeled Lambeau in '03. I was saying that before revenue sharing kicks in, Green Bay is a small market that does quite well, hence, better than most. So without revenue sharing they'd still be well off, get it?

Even though I'm saying this, we still agree that Revenue sharing is essential to the NFL.
post #64 of 369
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Originally Posted by Stuber
LT is now second to Alexander's new deal according to Mike & Mike.
half true. his contract is technically higher in total but he's guaranteed $5 mil less then LT's contract. that's really the main principle when signing contracts. there's no way alexander remain's in seattle for the entire 8 year's without either retiring, restructuring or getting cut.

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Raiders release Collins... where do they draft? Are they gonna vie for one of the top 3, or for a FA QB? Could Brees stay in the division?
collins hasn't been released yet. the media were premature in speculating that. if the cba get's extended i say the raiders will hold on to him for a few days. he's due a $6 mil roster bonus on the 5th day of the season. i'm guessing they'll look into restructuring his contract while seeing if they can sign brees, kitna, brooks or trade for maybe ramsey or culpepper. whatever is their best option after a few days they'll go with that. hopefully that means brees is coming to town. the sooner collins is released the better i'll be able to sleep.

if the raiders haven't signed a big name qb come draft time and if young is available at their pick, #7 overall, al davis could possibly draft him because of his huge upside but i can see no possible reason for drafting cutler. they have andrew walter waiting in the wings. they don't need the chick pick of the draft. hopefully mario williams or aj hawk is still hanging around by then.
post #65 of 369
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Originally Posted by Stuber
Missed the boat: you

Sans revenue sharing, Green Bay makes more than most clubs. I believe Forbes had them at or around 10th for NFL Team profits in 2004, I'm not sure what 2005's numbers were. One of the most dedicated fan bases which make every game a sell-out and they DO in fact have lots of luxury boxes. They remodeled Lambeau in '03. I was saying that before revenue sharing kicks in, Green Bay is a small market that does quite well, hence, better than most. So without revenue sharing they'd still be well off, get it?

Even though I'm saying this, we still agree that Revenue sharing is essential to the NFL.
Totally agree. But it'd be interesting to see how those numbers are affected if Favre leaves. The stadium will always sell out, but I think the merchandising will suffer.
post #66 of 369
the nfl network is reporting the owners agreed to a 6 year extension of the cba. it was a 30-2 vote. ralph wilson and mike brown were the 2 no votes.

gene upshaw released a statement where he said al davis was the first owner to stand up and agree with paul tagliabue. this is a total shocker. look's like tags may finally give the raiders a win this year!
post #67 of 369
Thread Starter 
Jerry Jones also made some non-characteristic statements as well. Maybe the light is coming on a bit, or maybe they were just told to say that stuff.

Anyway, more details: Cap is $102 million this year, and will be $109 million in 2007. Free Agency will not start until either 12 AM Friday or Saturday (they haven't decided yet).
post #68 of 369
Dolphins Priority Number One: Sign Drew Brees!!! Don't mess around with Ramsey and Culpepper. Sign Brees, make room for Mawae and if they can get a stopper like Sam Adams, so be it. But seriously, Brees should be a Dolphin by the time I wake up on Sunday.
post #69 of 369
Here's a fantastic article by the stupidly overhated Jason Whitlock about how Vince Young doesn't get it - http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...hitlock/060309.

Here's a taste:

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It's impossible to exaggerate just how much more important the NFL is than every other sport in this country. Vince Young foolishly thinks that the Texas Longhorns and Mack Brown are more important than the Houston Texans and Gary Kubiak. Young thinks playing USC for the national championship was real pressure.

Playing quarterback in the NFL is the equivalent of getting in the sack with Jenna Jameson. Oh, everybody wants to do it, but it can be an incredibly humbling and "short" experience.
post #70 of 369

Busy first day of free agency

NFL market watch
By Charles Robinson, Yahoo! Sports
March 11, 2006



For the second straight year, the Cleveland Browns didn't waste any time going straight for the upper-tier free agents.

One year after snatching New England Patriots guard Joe Andruzzi in free agency, the Browns jumped all over this year's top offensive line talent – inking New Orleans Saints center LeCharles Bentley and Atlanta Falcons tackle Kevin Shaffer. Bentley is arguably the best center in the NFL, while the 26-year old Shaffer is continuing to get better. The pair should be the final blocks in a solid Cleveland line. The Browns also added wide receiver Joe Jurevicius, addressing the need for a dependable veteran to pair with Braylon Edwards.

Bentley and defensive end Aaron Kampman, who re-signed with the Green Bay Packers, were the first of this year's top 10 to get snapped up in free agency. That makes room in the top 10 for New Orleans Saints defensive end Darren Howard and Washington Redskins linebacker LaVar Arrington, who was released late this week.

Here are the best players available after Saturday's activity:

1. Drew Brees, QB, San Diego Chargers – The surgery on his throwing shoulder after the season is disconcerting, but all indications are that Brees will be ready to go full bore by training camp. Some teams still don't like his size, and you can bet that's a big reason Chargers general manager A.J. Smith has maintained his favoritism for Philip Rivers. But the fact remains that Brees has been a Pro Bowl-level quarterback for two straight seasons, throwing 51 touchdowns and completing 65 percent of his passes in that span.


He has a strong enough arm to thrive in a West Coast system and actually gained more zip going into 2005 (thanks to core-strengthening workouts last offseason). With the premium on quarterbacks, Brees' age (he just turned 27) and his ability, it makes him the best free agent out there.

2. Julian Peterson, LB, San Francisco 49ers – Peterson has the potential to be a huge free-agent signing this offseason, but he also has the risk of being just another above-average linebacker. Peterson is still young (he turns 28 in July), and last season he clearly was still coming back from the torn Achilles he suffered in 2004. At times, Peterson looked tentative last season – like he was about 90 percent there mentally and physically. There is a possibility that he gains back that last 10 percent this season and returns to being one of the league's dominant play-making outside linebackers.

3. Edgerrin James, RB, Indianapolis Colts – James has age working against him. He'll turn 28 in August, and he most likely has about four more top-level years in the tank. James looks like he has fully bounced back from injuries suffered from 2001 to 2003. He's running tougher than ever, leading all backs in yardage after the initial hit in 2005.

He's a bigger factor in the passing game than Shaun Alexander and a year younger, but past durability issues make him more of a risk – even if he has been healthy the last two seasons. He's going to be looking for a deal at least commensurate to Alexander's deal, which means something in the neighborhood of $15 million to $20 million in the first year, and at least $25 million paid in the first three years of a pact.

4. LaVar Arrington, OLB, Washington Redskins – Arrington turns 28 in June, so he's still got plenty of good football left ahead. He has the talent to be a big-time playmaker but has always lacked discipline. He's earned the reputation as a freelancer, and there were plenty of his former coaches willing to badmouth him when he was in defensive coordinator Gregg Williams' doghouse earlier this year. Arrington is what he is – a pricey free agent who goes for the kill shot a little too much, but who is capable of being a game-changer. Whoever signs him should know they are getting a player who takes chances and must design a defense that lets Arrington do what he does best – roam.

5. Rocky Bernard, DT, Seattle Seahawks – After three years as a backup, Bernard materialized as an impact player last season, finally seizing a starting spot in his ninth game. Bernard had 8½ sacks in 16 regular-season games and two more sacks in the NFC championship win over the Carolina Panthers. He's precisely the kind of free agent that teams covet – he's young (turning 27 in April) and getting better. He's quick off the ball and athletic, but the 6-foot-3, 293-pound Bernard will have to be paired with another big tackle to balance out his own size issues against the run.

6. Jamal Lewis, RB, Baltimore Ravens – It's hard to know which Jamal Lewis teams will be getting for their money. Is he the guy with injury issues who seemed to be protecting himself last season while feuding with the Ravens over his contract? Or is he the punishing superstar runner of 2002 and 2003 who often looked unstoppable?

The bottom line: Lewis looks like he could be dominant, but his legal issues in 2004 and suspected half-hearted effort in 2005 raise plenty of character concerns. But he doesn't turn 27 until August, and there have been other running backs who rebounded from similar issues (see: Corey Dillon).

7. Charles Woodson, CB, Oakland Raiders – Once considered a shut-down corner, Woodson has really lost his luster over the last few seasons. But there are some personnel people who think Woodson just needs a change of scenery and a defense a little more talent-rich than Oakland has been over the last two years. It helps that he has demonstrated that he can play both corner and free safety. He's no longer young (he turns 30 in October), but for the right team, he could reclaim his Pro Bowl stature.

8. Will Witherspoon, OLB, Carolina Panthers – Witherspoon is young (he turns 26 in August) and can add speed to the linebacker mix of whichever team signs him. He's fast enough to handle his own in coverage, and can cover the field against the run. And although he's been a tad inconsistent – the Panthers grumbled a bit about his slow start last season – his last two years make him the best option beyond Julian Peterson. He's probably cheaper, too.

9. Adam Vinatieri, K, New England Patriots – Vinatieri turns 34 at the end of next season, but he could have five dependable years left in him. Obviously, Vinatieri has the reputation of being money when the game is on the line, but he never has had a huge leg, converting only eight field goals of 50-plus yards over the last 10 seasons. He has missed his last four 50-plus attempts since 2003. Still, he has iced two Super Bowl victories with his leg and is great in the pressure cooker. That makes him perfect for potential playoff teams with shaky kicking games (hello, Dallas Cowboys?).

10. Darren Howard, DE, New Orleans Saints – Howard turns 30 this November, but he is the best available option for teams that need an immediate pass rush. He may only have three to four effective years left, but that should be plenty for prospective buyers. Despite being inconsistent in his time with the Saints, he can be an impact pass rusher at the top of his game. He is quick and explosive, but can be reckless, too. He is the type of player who could put up Pro Bowl numbers if he was paired with another top-notch defensive end.

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A really nice day for Cleveland and Minnesota.
post #71 of 369
i'm happy the raiders avoided signing players yesterday. teams way overpaid for players.

the jags signed brian williams for way too much money. anthony weaver is a fine young player with potential but for a guy who's averaged less then 4 sacks per season he isn't worth $5 mil a year. gerald warren got his big pay day. hopefully he'll revert back into his cleveland browns days. trevor pryce sign's a big contract which makes me believe the ravens think we're still in the 2002 season. corey chavous is somehow living off his one fluke season 3 years ago. hey i like how the guy loves football and is a scout in his spare time but he's not an elite safety in the league.

now for the good signings,

the vikings finally got a kicker. if longwell can put up huge numbers in lambeau imagine what he's going to do kicking full time in a dome. ben leber and chester taylor are also headed to minny.

packer re-sign aaron kampman.

maake kemoeatu goes to the panthers for 5 years, $23 million. he's one of the better younger tackles but it certainly cost 'em a lot.

the cards signed kendrick clancy to a very reasonable contract, four years, $8.1 mil.

the browns were clearly the winners of the day. bentley is a stud. shaffer is a young solid tackle and they didn't have to break the bank for jurevicius. he's played for 3 teams (giants, bucs, hawks) that went to the super bowl. can he make it 4? i said it last year when the browns hired phil savage as their gm, this franchise is definitely on the rise. crennel did a great job last year too.

edge visted the cards last night and spent the night in arizona. will they sign him?

adam archuleta visited washington yesterday and is scheduled to visit chicago on march 13. will he even get there? randel el is also visiting with the skins and bears today. the bears better be smart towards these two. they do not want to get into a bidding war with the skins.

will witherspoon is visiting st. louis and new orleans. hopefully he'll rebunk both and take a visit to oakland.

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Charles Woodson, CB, Oakland Raiders – Once considered a shut-down corner, Woodson has really lost his luster over the last few seasons
idiotic sports jornalists have been bitching about c-wood ever since he got drafted. when he's been on the field he's been easily one of the best corners in the league. i think he's been the best all around corner. he doesn't get many INT's but the dude shut's down the top receiver of the opposition and he's amazing against the run. isn't that what a shut down corner is supposed to do? in the past 3 year's he's only allowed something like 3 td's against him. jerry porter alone scored 3 on chump bailey in one game and yet all these experts have circle jerks when discussing him. it'll be interesting to see how c-wood can perform if he join's a team with a defense on par with the bucs. (i know, i know there aren't many but you can catch my drift). the raiders haven't exactly had a stout defense his entire tenure there.
post #72 of 369
I really wish the Bucs were more of a player for some of these free agent offensive linemen. Be nice to have some veteran leadership for our younger guys (and veterans who aren't over the age of 30 either).
post #73 of 369
what players does everyone want for their teams? the top 5 players i wanted from free agency in order are:
1) drew brees
2) steve hutchinson (pipe dream with the transition tag applied to him)
3) lecharles bentley (signed with browns)
4) charles woodson
5) will witherspoon

then there's guys like julian peterson, lavar arrington, darren howard, jon runyan and rocky bernard but they're probably gonna cost more then i'd pay for.

some sleepers i'd take a shot at who won't cost too much are toniu fonoti (must keep his weight down), scott fujita, najeh davenport, kalimba edwards, andre carter and mike williams. williams was a major bust in buffalo but he could do well with a change of scenery.
post #74 of 369
The usual chatter from GB is the "bash the guy that signed with the rival" run of the mill smacktalk. Longwell is coming off of his least productive year and some think what little leg strength he possessed is already waning and that is why the Packers front office did little to re-sign him.

Too many of the Packer faithful are constantly wishing fantasy football practices upon their beloved franchise. And with GB having more cap space than they know what to do with, many think (myself kind of included) GB should throw dollar signs at Adam Vinatieri. It's a nice thought, but I'm pretty sure Vinatieri is going to treat his new team like an early retirement. And who on earth wants to retire in Wisconsin?

GB also signed FA safety Marquand Manuel, a back up for the Seahawks that started much of the year. Now if only Favre could put down the rake and let Ted Thompson know what the fuck he's going to do.

Anyone ready to call the Browns a wildcard team yet? I've got to see how Charlie Frye looks in camp and pre-season, but they're close I think. Very close.
post #75 of 369
I'd love to see the Bucs take a shot at David Givens -- Galloway can't have too many more years like last year in him.

And like I said, line help would be nice but most of the quality seems gone already (and we seem to be looking draftward for this need anyway).

Part of me says take a shot at LaVar Arrington, but I don't think he's disciplined enough for the Tampa 2. Maybe Peterson from the Niners though.
post #76 of 369
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Originally Posted by Stuber
Anyone ready to call the Browns a wildcard team yet? I've got to see how Charlie Frye looks in camp and pre-season, but they're close I think. Very close.
i don't know about a playoff team next season but atleast the franchise isn't run by bafoons anymore. if palmer is fully healthy next year it's gonna be hard for them to overtake the bengals or steelers.

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Part of me says take a shot at LaVar Arrington, but I don't think he's disciplined enough for the Tampa 2.
agreed on arrington. didn't he struggle when lewis was the skins DC because under his defense you have to stay contained in a certain area instead of roaming all over the field?
post #77 of 369
edge sign's with cards.

per profootballtalk.com
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In 2006, James gets $7 million to sign and a $4.5 million roster bonus due on the sixth day of the league year. Also, he'll have a base salary of $3.25 million. That's a total year one haul of $14.75 million.

In 2007, the base salary is $5.25 million. In 2008 and 2009, the base salary is $5 million per year.

James will actually earn more over four years than Seahawks running back Shaun Alexander, who'll pocket $28.562 million. In fact, the James deal trails the marquee tailback contract of LaDainain Tomlinson by only $250,000 over the first four years.
wow, huge contract. i don't think anybody thought he could pull off this big of a contract

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HUTCHINSON SIGNS "MONSTER" OFFER SHEET IN MINNY

A league source tells us that the Minnesota Vikings have signed Seahawks guard Steve Hutchinson to a "monster" offer sheet.

The Seahawks placed the transition tag on Hutchinson, giving them the right to match any offers made by another team. They'll have seven days to decide. If they choose not to match, they receive no compensation.
the best player in free agency in my opinion so this is a great move by the vikings. i think the hawks will match the offer but it really depends on how "monster" the contract really is.

*update. the contract is supposedly 7 year, $49 mil. the first year has a cap charge exceeds $13 mil. it's gonna be very difficult for the hawks to free up that kind of space.

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Former Steelers wide receiver Antwaan Randle El has agreed to a six-year deal with the Washington Redskins, a source familiar with the negotiations told ESPN.com's Michael Smith.

Randle El turned down a six-year, $18 million offer from the Bears that included $8 million to sign.
give david givens a call chicago.

from espn.com
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Rams continue to revamp D with LB Witherspoon
The Rams' persistence paid off by not letting Panthers linebacker Will Witherspoon go to the airport and letting him fly to New Orleans for a visit.

Witherspoon agreed with the Rams on a six-year, $33 million contract that includes $15 million in guarantees. Witherspoon turned down an offer to stay with the Panthers for close to $11.5 million to sign.

The Saints were trying to be persuasive and get him signed, but Witherspoon stayed in St. Louis and got the deal with the Rams instead.

In the past few days, the Rams have added defensive tackle La'Roi Glover, Witherspoon and safety Corey Chavous to their defense.
fuckers! witherspoon is great in coverage. the deal's have been flying the past hour.
post #78 of 369
The Cards will still suck. Vikings as well. Too much money for El. I'd take Givens too.

Guess Edge doesn't want a championship. Colts need to draft a rb. So who is coming to Chicago now?
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I suppose this is the last "positive" news we'll ever hear about the Edge again. You know, since Arizona is where all good players go do die and all. Man, what a shame. Oh well, you are exactly right Anya...it looks like Edge really doesn't want a championship. Or any protection, or any wins, etc.
post #80 of 369
bryant's still out there as well. he has some issues but he's talented atleast.
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On one hand, Minnesota's strides in FA are commendible and pretty impressive, but last year's off-season was the same thing with Napoleon Harris and Darren Sharper among others. But if Hutchinson ends up a Vike, I think their chances are better.


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Originally Posted by Poulsonator
You know, since Arizona is where all good players go do die and all
Edge in Arizona is something else. Remember why Arizona has been such a poor place to be? Cause Mgmt never went after the big names and was stingy when it came to giving promising athletes the incentive to stick around. So now they're beginning to make the strides necessary. I think Warner and James will basically serve as tutors to younger talent so that Denny Green can build a solid core on his squad. And it's not as if James is the only weapon in the desert. Anquan Boldin is something fierce.
post #82 of 369
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Originally Posted by Stuber
On one hand, Minnesota's strides in FA are commendible and pretty impressive, but last year's off-season was the same thing with Napoleon Harris and Darren Sharper among others. But if Hutchinson ends up a Vike, I think their chances are better.


Edge in Arizona is something else. Remember why Arizona has been such a poor place to be? Cause Mgmt never went after the big names and was stingy when it came to giving promising athletes the incentive to stick around. So now they're beginning to make the strides necessary. I think Warner and James will basically serve as tutors to younger talent so that Denny Green can build a solid core on his squad. And it's not as if James is the only weapon in the desert. Anquan Boldin is something fierce.
Not to mention Larry Fitzgerald. The Cards should be able to score alot anyways if Warner can stay healthy. I still dont see them as a playoff team though.
post #83 of 369
Green needs to suck it up and let McCown start.
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they let him go. they choose warner instead. meanwhile mccown's record is pretty respectable while warner won maybe 1 game for them last year.
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
Green needs to suck it up and let McCown start.
I thought he was cut. Either way, Warner has that new deal so Arizona's stuck there. I know the Cards are attempting to put the pieces of a team together, but they're still the Cards. Until they actually win some games, call me unimpressed.
post #86 of 369
Bears have now missed out on Randle El and, according to Peter King, David Givens, who signed with Tennessee. Way to sell, Jerry!
post #87 of 369
bryant's gone as well but there's always TO.

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Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com reports that the Minnesota Vikings have traded quarterback Daunte Culpepper to the Miami Dolphins for a second-round selection in the 2006 draft.

The deal is contingent on Culpepper passing a physical.
this is a pretty stupid move by the dolphins IMO. nobody was bidding against them and seeing how hutchinson signed the huge tender that the seahawks probably can't match the vikings may have been forced to release him before march 25. they should've waited it out until the hutchinson contract was resolved. they could've grabbed culpepper for something less then a 2nd rounder the closer it got to the 25th.
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I'm at home sick today, but just saw this "breaking news" on the NFL Network:

* Culpepper traded to the Dolphins for a 2nd rounder (as hellpaso mentioned)

* Brees has agreed on terms with the Saints

* Jon Kitna to the Lions
post #89 of 369
Culpepper, huh? I guess the Dolphins got fed up with Brees and Condon and decided to cover their bases, instead of playing chicken.

While I have no idea if it'll work out, it is at least a move to upgrade at QB, a position the Dolphins have ignored since Marino retired.
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Banks is my hero
Bears have now missed out on Randle El and, according to Peter King, David Givens, who signed with Tennessee. Way to sell, Jerry!
Both Randle El and David Givens were paid WAY too much money. The Bears are better off not destroying their cap space with players who at their best are good second recievers. Randle El is especially overrated here in Chicago.
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Originally Posted by Martianman
I'm at home sick today, but just saw this "breaking news" on the NFL Network:

* Culpepper traded to the Dolphins for a 2nd rounder (as hellpaso mentioned)
Damn...

I'm a Dolphins fan and I'm definitely not sold on Culpepper, and not because of his injury, but because when he didn't have Moss he struggled.

I think I would have taken Kitna over Culpepper.

And what are the Dolphins going to do until Culpepper is healthy (about mid-season)?
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Finding a quarterback this offseason was Nick Saban's main objective. Though he liked Brees, he was unwilling to give him $10 million in guarantees after he is coming off shoulder surgery.

on the other hand.

Vikings coach Brad Childress said recently Culpepper is on schedule in his rehab from surgery in which he tore three knee ligaments after having a trainer fly to Florida to meet with Culpepper. The recovery time from such major surgery is 12 months, but Culpepper has told the Dolphins that he's ahead of schedule and may be able to play before September.
Culpepper w/out mobility isn't scary. Even with his legs he isn't that bad if you have fast LB's. Bad move by the Dolphins. I know they are desperate for a QB but even if Culpepper is ready He won't be 100% next season at all.

That is alot of money for a 2nd tier WR in Givens.

And why did the Ravens bother signing Jamal Lewis? Seems like they didn't even want him last year.

Kitna in Det = bye bye Joey.
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No team has devalued their draft picks more than the Dolphins these last few years, with the exception of Ronnie Brown. I thought this shit was put to an end once Spielmen was fired, but there we go again with another 2nd rounder out the window.

Culpepper is more proven than A.J. Feeley was a couple of years ago, but this deal doesn't look too much better.

I hope it works out.
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
The Bears are better off not destroying their cap space with players who at their best are good second recievers.
Which is exactly what Chicago needs. You're right about the cap space though. You wonder if Angelo is looking to address this need in the draft, which wouldn't make a ton of sense since the Bears aren't lacking in young receivers. What they need is an established No. 2.
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I don't know if you can call it a bad move, yet. It could be a bad move, but if you get the 2004 Culpepper or even a lesser version of the 2005 Culpepper, its a great move. Don't get me wrong, this could be a disaster, I just don't think anyone can hand judgment down on it.

This shows how awful the Feeley move was.
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Banks is my hero
Which is exactly what Chicago needs. You're right about the cap space though. You wonder if Angelo is looking to address this need in the draft, which wouldn't make a ton of sense since the Bears aren't lacking in young receivers. What they need is an established No. 2.
I'd disagree with that completely. They need a playmaker at reciever - something Muhammed has proven himself not to be. Bernard Barrian is more of a threat than Moose. They really need a number one guy. It would have been nice to have Randle El, but only if you're paying him what he's worth. Paying him that kind of money is the kind of mistake that you realize a couple years down the road when you realize you can no longer sign your best players.
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
I'd disagree with that completely. They need a playmaker at reciever - something Muhammed has proven himself not to be. Bernard Barrian is more of a threat than Moose. They really need a number one guy. It would have been nice to have Randle El, but only if you're paying him what he's worth. Paying him that kind of money is the kind of mistake that you realize a couple years down the road when you realize you can no longer sign your best players.
Again I do agree on the money issue, but I disagree with your take on Muhammed, if for no other reason than last year made it so hard to judge his value to the team. For nearly the entire run of the regular season you had Orton hanging him out to dry. Defenses knew Orton would lean on him on those rare times he threw, and they could constantly hound him without having to worry about the other side. So his numbers took a serious hit. Barrian's a good speed guy, but I wouldn't say he's a bigger threat than Moose. Not yet. I do think they can get some nice mileage out of Mark Bradley in the passing game. He showed a ton of promise last year before going down.
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Originally Posted by Jcassady
I don't know if you can call it a bad move, yet. It could be a bad move, but if you get the 2004 Culpepper or even a lesser version of the 2005 Culpepper, its a great move. Don't get me wrong, this could be a disaster, I just don't think anyone can hand judgment down on it.

This shows how awful the Feeley move was.
if culpepper end's up being the 2006 mvp it's still a bad move. they could have gotten him for much less. no other team was willing to part with anything close to a 2nd rounder. the raiders and titans pretty much laughed at them when they lied about already having a trade partner in place.

it's a bad year for the bears to be drafting a receiver in the first round. at #26 there's really nobody of value at that spot. holmes and jackson will probably be gone by then and the next highest guy is probably derek hagan who is known to drop some ball's. maybe stovall in the 2nd? they could take a TE in the 1st round too. pope is a monster. there's really nothing left in free agency besides TO either. they probably were better off not signing randle el and givens. those guys got payed too much. the bears could've went after bryant. he signed with the 49ers for 4 years, $15 mil. that's looking like a pretty fair deal to me.
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Originally Posted by Jonathan Banks is my hero
Again I do agree on the money issue, but I disagree with your take on Muhammed, if for no other reason than last year made it so hard to judge his value to the team. For nearly the entire run of the regular season you had Orton hanging him out to dry. Defenses knew Orton would lean on him on those rare times he threw, and they could constantly hound him without having to worry about the other side. So his numbers took a serious hit. Barrian's a good speed guy, but I wouldn't say he's a bigger threat than Moose. Not yet. I do think they can get some nice mileage out of Mark Bradley in the passing game. He showed a ton of promise last year before going down.
Moose was dreadful last year. I don't think he beat a corner deep even once all year and dropped at least one pass every single game. He's not a player than can take the pressure off of the other recievers, which is essentially the definition of a number one guy.
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Originally Posted by heLL pAso
if culpepper end's up being the 2006 mvp it's still a bad move.
That's retarded. If Culpepper is the 2006 MVP then in hindsight its a great move. You wouldn't trade a second round draft pick for the NFL MVP?

While no one was offering anything else, the Dolphins would have been trading a massive risk with Culpepper hitting the open market.

The Dolphins need a QB now. They have the offensive and defensive tools to make a run. In fact the only thing that prevented them from making the playoffs last year was a legit QB.

It's not a great deal. It's not a horrible deal. Time will be the judge.
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