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I enjoy A View to a Kill. Walken and Jones are great fun. "GET ZORIN FOR ME!" is one of my favorite moments in any Bond film, ever.

I'm just ragging on Fraid because he refuses to bow the knee to Moonraker. When it comes to Moonraker, dissent cannot be tolerated. We must shun the unbelievers.

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TSWLM did it better (pun intended)! That's my story and I'm sticking to it!


But I wouldn't trade the double-taking bird for anything....so we can at least agree on that..
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I've come around a bit on A VIEW TO A KILL.  I still think it's a bad movie (and a bad James Bond movie), but unlike DIE ANOTHER DAY (the only 007 adventure I think is worse), I'll watch AVTAK if I see it on.  Why?  John Barry bringing the goods, Christopher Walken being totally unhinged in a delightful way, and - yes - Roger Moore.  Too old, past his prime, and replaced by horrific stunt doubles at every turn, Rog still has the twinkle in his eye and the professionalism that I appreciate about his run as Bond.

 

There are 20+ other Bond movies I'd watch first if given the chance, but - in stark contrast to DAD - A VIEW TO A KILL doesn't make me angry while watching it.

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I'd put A View to a Kill above Diamonds are Forever and all Brosnan's except Goldeneye at the very least...but that's just me..

Die Another Day goes without saying though. That's just a hatefully horrible movie. Made all the worse because it starts off solid.

I'm raking another CHUD sacred cow over the coals by throwing shade at Diamonds are Forever aren't I..
Edited by Fraid uh noman - 7/30/16 at 11:37am
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I like DIE ANOTHER DAY more than I like A VIEW TO A KILL.
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I've made it my policy to never speak declaratively. All I can ever state is my opinion and my reasons for it.

That being said....I cannot understand DAD being anywhere other than the bottom of the heap. But I'm sure if you told me why that is, I'd get it..
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I'll say this for AVTAK, the theme song by Duran Duran is one of my favorite Bond themes.

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I'd never call AVTAK a good film, but like most Bonds it has enough odd bits of quality to make it watchable. In fact, I'd go as far as to say Zorin and Mayday are one of my favourite villain/henchman pairings, the first act is a lovely bit of nostalgia bait for us Brits of a certain age who watched a lot of ITV/ATV series like "The Saint" and "The Avengers" on their reruns, and Mayday and Zorin's ends are appropriately melodramatic and fun.

It is poorly directed, chock full of tired echoes of better Moore movies and the Rog himself is past his sell by date (that first act notwithstanding). I'd still watch it any day over the second half of DAD, most of TWINE and all of QOS.
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On an unrelated note, although I'm not convinced he has the physical stature for the role yet, The Guest has completely persuaded me that Dan Stevens is by far and away the right person to take over Bond when Craig departs.
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Goddamn, you guys spend pages and paragraphs unpacking the weakest Bond flicks then (Christoph) waltz into every superhero thread and shit all over the movie.
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I like DIE ANOTHER DAY more than I like A VIEW TO A KILL.

No.
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Goddamn, you guys spend pages and paragraphs unpacking the weakest Bond flicks then (Christoph) waltz into every superhero thread and shit all over the movie.
I never said I was fair.
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I never said I was fair.

don't you know the etymology of the word AGENTSANDS???

 

for shaaaaaame

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"Want to know the secret to winning? Creative sportsmanship."
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This costs more than a $100 here. Too expensive for me.

 

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This costs more than a $100 here. Too expensive for me.

 


That book looks exquisite, but I don't think I could justify adding it to the already overflowing 007 shelf in my library.  Though it is only $55 on Amazon here in the States...


Edited by Belloq87 - 8/19/16 at 8:07am
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I swear Die Another Day would be a grade better if they'd killed off Hallie Berry and made Rosamund Pike the main Bond Girl instead.

 

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/die-another-day/37190/james-bond-007-revisiting-die-another-day

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I swear Die Another Day would be a grade better if they'd killed off Hallie Berry and made Rosamund Pike the main Bond Girl instead.

 

http://www.denofgeek.com/movies/die-another-day/37190/james-bond-007-revisiting-die-another-day


I can't derive any enjoyment whatsoever from DIE ANOTHER DAY.  I know the first act has its defenders, but not even that works for me very much.  To me, DAD is the movie people have always accused MOONRAKER of being, except MOONRAKER is joyfully grand and silly.  DAD just sucks, and is not fun at all.  It's a total slog.

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I can't derive any enjoyment whatsoever from DIE ANOTHER DAY.  I know the first act has its defenders, but not even that works for me very much.  To me, DAD is the movie people have always accused MOONRAKER of being, except MOONRAKER is joyfully grand and silly.  DAD just sucks, and is not fun at all.  It's a total slog.

 

My sword, good sir.  You have it.

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I'll say this. Whoever approved the CGI in DAD deserves to be shot.

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I still stand by most of the film in the first half, especially Brosnan's performance. It's better than TND and TWINE combined.

But yeah, once the invisible car is introduced, I can't defend it. That's where the line is drawn (though I'd still watch the bad half over TND and TWINE, cause those are just dull).
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I can only defend the pre-credit sequence, the titles (not song), some of the Cuba stuff and the Bond/Graves sword fight. Otherwise, garbage.

They lose me when all Bond needs to recover from 18 months of torture is a new suit and a shave.
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14 months, but yeah that was quite a leap.

The Madonna song has actually become a guilty pleasure of mine. I dunno if it's the song itself or just the idea of Madonna wanting to break the rules on what a Bond song should be. It's the same sensibility that made "Live and Let Die" and "A View to a Kill" so refreshing from the typical Bond song format we expect. After the boring "Writing's on the Wall", I could use another rule breaking song.
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DIE ANOTHER DAY is a bad, tasteless movie, but it isn't the worst of the Bond movies. It isn't bland or dull or dreary. It's wacky and colorful and boldly idiotic, with an everything-including-the-kitchen-sink ethos. It feels like the kind of Bond film a twelve-year-old would dream up.

Give it fifteen years and you'll see more and more folks finding pleasure in its dated trashiness.
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DAD would be 100% better if the special effects weren't so distractingly bad.  Their poor quality cheapens the film.  The film would still have massive problems but it wouldn't be quite the dumpster fire that it is now.

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I don't ever make declarative statements when throwing my opinion out there but I can't imagine anyone liking any of the Bond movies less than DAD. I'm not being the least bit hyperbolic when I say that there's no other Bond movie that I enjoy less...in any way. It's easy to make something "colorful" and (seemingly) "imaginative" when you abandon any attempt to follow any kind of internal logic at all and just throw as much nonsense at the screen as possible to see what sticks (spoilers: none of it does). Moonraker is honestly more realistic (and much better).

On the flip side of that coin....I've never gotten the complaints lobbied at some of Craig's movies that they're too serious and dour. Yeah, they are more so than some other Bond movies for sure...but I still have fun with them. They're still big goofy fantastical spy movies that don't even begin to resemble real life. At least their visuals look good for the most part. Yeah, DAD is much broader and goofier but it's also always struck me as much MUCH uglier despite being more colorful..
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DAD would be 100% better if the special effects weren't so distractingly bad.  Their poor quality cheapens the film.  The film would still have massive problems but it wouldn't be quite the dumpster fire that it is now.

 

Thinking about it, I kinda put DAD in the same category as STAR TREK V: THE FINAL FRONTIER.  Both would be improved immeasurably by having quality special effects replace the truly sub-standard effects which permeate both films like a disease.  The script/structural/directorial problems would still exist in both, but the distractions of the effects would at least not be there.

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If DIE ANOTHER DAY is the FINAL FRONTIER of the Bond franchise, does that make QUANTUM its INTO DARKNESS?
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Spectre is Into Darkness...right down to the John Harrison is Khan/Oberhauser is Blofeld obvious nonsense..
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Specter is Into Darkness...right down to the John Harrison is Khan/Oberhaurser is Blofeld nonsense..

 

That's a bingo.  Oddly, I like SPECTRE (don't love it) but absolutely detest INTO DARKNESS.

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I enjoy Spectre as well. More than I should I suppose. I rewatched it a couple days ago. My new favorite part of that film is now the last 20 minutes or so. Where Bond is running through the deserted old MI6 building looking for Blofeld. Such a weird, nonsensical scene. Those pictures of people from Bond's past are just....odd. Le Chiffre? Really? I have no idea why there'd be a picture of him hanging up. Bond didn't even kill him...and I can't imagine him having much emotion about his death, one way or another, anyway. But I love the visuals of the whole scene. And the score. I don't know why...but at least on an aesthetic level, that whole strange conclusion came together into something memorable for me. Spectre may have one of my favorite Bond scores PERIOD. And with a line up that includes that many classic John Berry scores, that's really saying something..
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  Invisible car aside, I like DAD.  Even though the CGI is the wind surfing scene is so bad I expect to see Frankie and Annette surfing next to Bond, the Bond theme and Bronson's expression still make the scene work for me. I know no one will ever agree with me on this, but I stand by my beliefs.

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According to an unnamed source from The Mirror.

Ehhhhhhh
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It's all bullshit until EON breaks the news.
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There were enough good sources re: Hiddleston that it's clear SOMETHING went on between EON and him.

But, beyond that, who knows?
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EON has offered many actors the role over the years that it's sort of a given that someone is in the running, even the most unlikely. Ewan Stewart of all people was up for the role in 2005.
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The shot of The MI-6 building explosion in Skyfall brought the guffaws. It looks terrible.

The other thing that bothers me the most about Skyfall is the Komodo dragon part. Komodo dragons do not attack like that at all. It's the complete fucking opposite of what they do. It's so wrong.
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Oh, man!

The legendary Donald Westlake turned his Bond treatments (the early basis for Tomorrow Never Dies) into a novel, which is being published by Hard Case Crime next June under the title Forever and a Death.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/08/31/exclusive-first-look-at-forever-and-a-death-donald-westlakes-lost-james-bon
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Originally Posted by Agentsands77 View Post

Oh, man!

The legendary Donald Westlake turned his Bond treatments (the early basis for Tomorrow Never Dies) into a novel, which is being published by Hard Case Crime next June under the title Forever and a Death.

http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2016/08/31/exclusive-first-look-at-forever-and-a-death-donald-westlakes-lost-james-bon

 

MI6 Confidential #32 covered the two script treatments and the genesis of the novel (originally titled Fall of the City):

 

https://www.mi6confidential.com/issue_32.php

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I always want to buy MI6 Confidential, but I won't pay $8 S&H, and they stubbornly refuse to issue digital downloads.

I'd be a full time subscriber if they allowed for digital subscriptions.
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Most of the info about the treatments in that BMD news piece is from the MI6 article, although (oddly enough) little of it applies to the novel.

 

The Goodbread character, the Children, etc. -- not in the novel!

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Most of the info about the treatments in that BMD news piece is from the MI6 article, although (oddly enough) little of it applies to the novel.

The Goodbread character, the Children, etc. -- not in the novel!
Shame!

The Children sounded like a neat idea. I wish contemporary Bond movies went in for more weirdness like that. We get glimmers of it in stuff like Silva's island, but it's only glimmers before we're back in the midst of MI6's political struggles.
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The Children sounded like a neat idea.

It is arguably the best thing about the first treatment.

 

Hadn't noticed the similarities, but Raymond Benson's Zero Minus Ten also deals with the transfer of Hong Kong and has both HK and Australia as locations.


Edited by Malmordo - 9/1/16 at 12:41pm
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The shot of The MI-6 building explosion in Skyfall brought the guffaws. It looks terrible.

The other thing that bothers me the most about Skyfall is the Komodo dragon part. Komodo dragons do not attack like that at all. It's the complete fucking opposite of what they do. It's so wrong.

 

 

I know, right? They always don a suit and Bowler hat before they attack!

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Brilliant. My number one pick after Jason Issacs.

Brilliant. My number two pick.
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I don't know that I've seen him in anything, but Hughes has an interesting look.
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He was great in a BBC 2 Cold War 1960s period thriller last year called The Game - played a cold, calculating British agent.

He's a bit 'cheekbony' but has great dark looks, and with a bit of gym time would fill out a well-cut suit nicely.

He was also in Ricky Gervais' Cemetary Junction from a few years back.

Certainly got potential and is yet to break out big time - could well be in the running.
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