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Originally Posted by Belloq87 View Post
 

That sequence isn't edited to within an inch of its life, it's actually edited to death.  So many jump cuts.  Bond leaps!  Now he's on a ledge!  Suddenly he's climbing a pipe that was 10 feet away from him!  Now he's on the roof!  These four shots all happens in about three seconds, so they hope we don't notice how incoherent it all is.

 

I'd love to see what a more patient editor could do with the raw footage from that scene.

YES!!!!

 

THIS IS WHAT DROVE ME ABSOLUTELY INSANE ABOUT THE ACTION CUTTING THROUGH NEARLY ALL OF THE MOVIE!!!

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Yes, Trigger Mortis was it... Dumb title, combined with the Goldfinger elements, turned me off. But maybe I'll give it a shot anyway. I do like "Foyle's War" by the author.
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Trigger Mortis is great. Jeopardy Lane is such a terrific name for a Bond Girl.
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Absolutely go out of your way. Drive across town to the bookstore that isn't there anymore. Then come home and buy it on Amazon.

It's the journey, not the destination.
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Well, now I'll definitely read it, but I'll take my sweet time about it.
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Buy it on Amazon with a case of Surge.
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Originally Posted by Call Me Roy View Post

If I were to start reading Fleming's Bond, what are a few to start with?

Also, which Bond books/authors post Fleming are worth checking out?
Read them all, in order. Including the short story collections. If you have to skip one, skip "The Spy Who Loved Me". Moonraker is maybe the best, which is funny considering how much the movie stinks.
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Originally Posted by Slim View Post

I've always dug Le Chiffre's particular wording about his bleeding eye: "A derangement of the tear duct... Nothing sinister." Of course, in Fleming a physical abnormality is the first sign that a guy is evil.
 

 

Don't remember where I read/heard this, but Purvis & Wade are on record saying they grabbed "derangement" because they loved the way Patrick McGoohan said it in SCANNERS. Okay!

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Best way to get through The Spy Who Loved Me is the audiobook with Rosamund Pike reading.
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I'll read that!

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Reading through all the Fleming books at the moment and The Spy Who Loved Me stands out as one of the very best.

I'm getting a bit bored of the series and TSWLM comes almost in the middle and gives us a break from the tedious monotony that is James Bond.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Stockslivevan View Post

Best way to get through The Spy Who Loved Me is the audiobook with Rosamund Pike reading.

Wha--?

*runs to audible.com*

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Originally Posted by Stale Elvis View Post

Reading through all the Fleming books at the moment and The Spy Who Loved Me stands out as one of the very best.

I'm getting a bit bored of the series and TSWLM comes almost in the middle and gives us a break from the tedious monotony that is James Bond.

Talk about derangement.
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It's interesting to read a Bond novel from the Bond Girl's POV. The caper in TSWLM is just a little underwhelming.
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Hey, I went back to CR ten years after I first gave it a go. This board told me to give them another go and so I've slogged through them all and am up to OHMSS - but by crikey they are dull. I think I'm only reading them fo the sake of completion now.
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There's the caper, and the narrator herself is a bit of a drip. It is a good idea in concept, and it's interesting to see Fleming try his hand at a different literary style (like the Somerset Maugham thing he does with "Quantum of Solace), but it's just not successful. Fleming evidently didn't think so either.

But hey, the joke's on me because it's a book I don't like and have read three-plus times. Because when I re-read the series I don't skip anything-- and they all really are quick reads, so no big deal. I just carry my first impression of TSWLM from my first go round when I was twelve or so: What is this? What is going on here?

Now if you'll excuse me, I'm off to listen to Rosamund Pike describe getting it on in a movie theater.
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"Dr. No" is probably my favorite of Fleming's run. It's so damn wild.
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So delightful.
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Lots of bird guano.
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Stale Elvis enjoys nothing! But he enjoys it a lot.
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Originally Posted by Agentsands77 View Post

Is there any classic pulp lit you do enjoy?

Nope. I only picked up the box set years ago because it was going for a song and I thought I'd give it a go. It was a slog to get into back then so I bailed on page 56 of CR and it's a slog now I'm more than half way through the series.

The way Bond is written he comes off as a huge crushing bore and characters giving huge expo dumps is just eye-rollingly awful.
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Oh, God, the villains' speeches are magnificent. Mag-fucking-nificent.
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From the Wikipedia page for TSWLM:

"In the US the story was also published in Stag magazine, with the title changed to Motel Nymph."
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Originally Posted by Bradito View Post

Oh, God, the villains' speeches are magnificent. Mag-fucking-nificent.

Drax's speech in Moonraker is my favorite. So delicious. And Bond's all "whatevs, kraut", but more eloquent.
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Always curious how things would have turned out had Dalton done his third film as originally scheduled for '91. Have a feeling... it still would have led to Brosnan.

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From what I understand, MGM wouldn't have let a third Dalton film fly anyway, no matter how much EON stuck with their Bond. It's no coincidence that shortly after Dalton departed GOLDENEYE Brosnan came in and suddenly production got rolling.
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Which is weird considering Dalton's two films followed the same path as Moore before him. The debut film is one of the biggest hits in the franchise (Live & Let Die, The Living Daylights) and the follow-up (The Man with the Golden Gun, License to Kill) severely under-performed.

 

The impression given on Dalton's would-be third outing was a return to the more-fantastical Bond, which probably would have led to his calling it a day, regardless of how well it may have done financially. 

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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie View Post

Which is weird considering Dalton's two films followed the same path as Moore before him. The debut film is one of the biggest hits in the franchise (Live & Let Die, The Living Daylights) and the follow-up (The Man with the Golden Gun, License to Kill) severely under-performed.

The impression given on Dalton's would-be third outing was a return to the more-fantastical Bond, which probably would have led to his calling it a day, regardless of how well it may have done financially. 

This is why I'm murky on whether a third Dalton film would have caught on. Maybe combined with the long hiatus, he might have with GE like Moore on his third. Broccoli always said that a true test of a successful Bond was how well their third film performed.
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Well... The Living Daylights was the third highest-grossing film in the franchise, up to that date. 

 

One can point to those for the "Let's see how the new guy does" factor in their box-office performances.

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Sure but the Bond films definitely were more about the worldwide audience than just the US. Even during its peak in the Connery era, the overseas figures were always stronger.

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Was the Bond domestic market primarily the US? I always thought the pre-Brosnan Bonds were UK market first - that's why the UK humour doesn't always land with some of you lot and so many of you don't appreciate the Moore era humour - over here it worked like gangbusters (a US word I don't understand myself).
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The bigger and more fun game of "What if...?" is if Lazenby had gotten his head outta his ass and agreed to Diamonds Are Forever.

 

Have a weird feeling (which I can never prove, obviously) is he would have kept going into the early-80's. Could have easily seen him in Moonraker and For Your Eyes Only

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Originally Posted by Stale Elvis View Post

Was over here it worked like gangbusters (a US word I don't understand myself).

It harkens back to a time when our crackerjack dicks, G-men and T-men had the moxie to give those grifters and gunsels what for! Watch out for those Chicago typewriters, boys!
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Originally Posted by FilmNerdJamie View Post
 

The bigger and more fun game of "What if...?" is if Lazenby had gotten his head outta his ass and agreed to Diamonds Are Forever.

It's as much a fascinating question to me as "What if Connery did OHMSS?"  I don't think it's as simple as just dropping each actor into the movie as we know it; things would have been different in each case beyond just Bond.  Surely DAF would have been much more strongly connected, in terms of continuity, to the previous movie.

 

Now, how would Lazenby being in DAF alter the course of Bond in the 1970s?  Impossible to say.  There's nothing to say EON would have kept him around, necessarily, and we might have still gotten Moore in LIVE AND LET DIE.  Then again, if DIAMONDS was still a hit, and audiences started embracing Lazenby, who knows where things would have gone after that.

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Absolutely true.

 

However, and I know this isn't the popular opinion, I have never been convinced Connery would have worked in OHMSS. Don't think he could have gone there emotionally-speaking onscreen with his well-cemented ruthlessness and coolness. Feel like 1969 audiences would have seen him crying at the end and said, "So what, he'll be fine once he gets another piece of ass!"

 

For as much shit as Lazenby gets, the most objection in OHMSS is you believing he loves Tracy... and for me, he did. Everything else was secondary.

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Aw, yea, Thunderball is the second highest-grossing Bond movie.
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