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post #16501 of 16546
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Nordstrom typically has a fantastic men's sale around Christmas/New Years.  It's a great time to buy an 'investment' suit if you really want a nice one.  You can pretty easily stock up on really nice shirts, ties, and shoes too.  Just be aware: once you try on a really nice suit, you'll be hooked.


Thanks for the tip!

post #16502 of 16546

I own one suit. Its a black pin stripped Nick It. They where a British company that I believe is out of business. Their motto was: We used to have an empire. Now we make funny hats. It cost about $150.00 dollars and I do look good in it; if I may be so humble. I think there is a picture of me in it in the post your ugly faces thread.

 

  I also own a black pin stripped sport coat which is for when I went to look like a rock star. I wear that with my Cheap Trick tee shirt and I feel like a glam rock James Bond. I'm not saying I look like a glam rock James Bond, I'm saying a feel like a glam rock James Bond.


Edited by Chaz - 11/10/17 at 8:31pm
post #16503 of 16546
Fantastic article on Skyfall Mr. Phil. Just fantastic.

Put me in the camp that prefers Skyfall to Casino Royale. But that’s not a slight to CR, I consider it a top 10. Skyfall to me is a top 5 and easily Craig’s best.
post #16504 of 16546
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I love CR but I'll admit that it has issues.  The opening sequence is great, but everything up until he actually goes to the casino is very, very rushed.  From then on, it's pretty great.  The finale with the sinking buildings is a tad excessive but I can roll with it.

The thing about CR is that its best bits are from the novel. What they added ranges from very good (opening chase, Bermuda and giving Bond an arc), to good as a standalone (the Miami set piece), to misconceived (mucking up the Mathis and Vesper plots and the Venetian set piece). Which is why I would prefer them to retire the franchise for a while then faithfully adapt the novels - with care. I don't think I need to see "the sweet tang of rape", screwing a lesbian straight, Chigroes or the racial and sexual politics of Fleming in general. Plot quality and characterisation (such as it is) in the Bond films, as a general rule with a few important exceptions, positively correlates to how closely they follow the books.

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post #16505 of 16546
If rumors are true, the Broccolis are selling off the rights after Bond 25. This is how I would approach Bond:

1) Retire Bond cinema altogether indefinitely.
2) Make a deal with Netflix by starting a series of feature length adaptations of the Fleming novels.

By taking Bond out of cinema, the filmmakers will not feel obliged to try to continue what was done by EON. NSNA had an opportunity to try a different take on Bond, but instead heavily cribbed from the EON formula to feel even more redundant. Drop the cinematic iconography altogether. No gun barrel. No title song by a hit artist. Have Bond smoke 70 cigarettes a day. Let him remain the cold mean bastard he is from the books. No sugar coating. No need to come up with elaborate action sequences, just stick to what the novel lays out and follow through. Though I'm not sure it should be done, include narration from the novels, just as another way to stand out differently from EON.

A pipe dream, of course. It would be IMO the next best thing to happen to Bond.
post #16506 of 16546
As much as it drives me nuts that they are letting younger actors age while they hang on to Craig, I have to admire their restraint or not churning out one of these a year or making a shared Bond-Universe.
post #16507 of 16546
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Originally Posted by Mr. Stockslivevan View Post

If rumors are true, the Broccolis are selling off the rights after Bond 25. This is how I would approach Bond:

1) Retire Bond cinema altogether indefinitely.
2) Make a deal with Netflix by starting a series of feature length adaptations of the Fleming novels.

By taking Bond out of cinema, the filmmakers will not feel obliged to try to continue what was done by EON. NSNA had an opportunity to try a different take on Bond, but instead heavily cribbed from the EON formula to feel even more redundant. Drop the cinematic iconography altogether. No gun barrel. No title song by a hit artist. Have Bond smoke 70 cigarettes a day. Let him remain the cold mean bastard he is from the books. No sugar coating. No need to come up with elaborate action sequences, just stick to what the novel lays out and follow through. Though I'm not sure it should be done, include narration from the novels, just as another way to stand out differently from EON.

A pipe dream, of course. It would be IMO the next best thing to happen to Bond.

 

This would also work.

 

Bond has been a period piece since the late 80s. I appreciated the Brosnan run for trying to find a place for the character in the context of the threats that flowed from the end of the Cold War - that aspect was one of the more successful elements of a broken-backed run - but the last two Craig films have tried to graft a story about the continuing value of down and dirty human intelligence work onto a character whose tropes are those of a gentleman adventurer and it doesn't serve either particularly well.

post #16508 of 16546
I’m currently watching NSNA and Kim Basinger is dancing to 80s porn music. I have nothing to add to that statement.

Brandauer is about to use a dissonant chord on the piano as a bit of acting business. I love this film.
post #16509 of 16546
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Brandauer is about to use a dissonant chord on the piano as a bit of acting business. I love this film.

Every choice Brandauer makes is fascinating and wonderful.

post #16510 of 16546
He’s treating his role as a Bond villain with intelligent disdain and imbuing the character accordingly. He deserves a place amongst the best of them.
post #16511 of 16546
Just discovered Tom Petty and The Heartbreakers did a live cover of “Goldfinger” and it’s pretty good.
post #16512 of 16546
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He’s treating his role as a Bond villain with intelligent disdain and imbuing the character accordingly. He deserves a place amongst the best of them.


He's a "Top 5"-level Bond villain for me.

post #16513 of 16546
He deserves a better film.
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That bit where he loses the "Domination" game and blows on his burnt fingers, evidently delighted to have found his "worthy adversary".

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I was under the impression that there was no electric shocks on his side, he only gave up when it was clear Bond not only had him beat but that Largo couldn't just keep feigning pain, which is why he's so playful when losing as if admitting "okay Bond, you caught me".
post #16516 of 16546

I think Largo actually being zapped makes his reaction to losing even funnier.  Either way, it's one of my favorite little beats in the movie.

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ew...NSNA Largo is terrible. Real Connery Bond wouldn’t have put up with his shit.

Drax from Moonraker deserves a better film. NSNA Largo should never have existed.
post #16518 of 16546

He's a delight throughout!

 

post #16519 of 16546
Make mine Celi

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 I'm not a fan of NSNA, but I do like the video game scene. Its been awhile since I've seen it, but I remember thinking Connery was good, but the movie around him is meh.

post #16521 of 16546
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Make mine Celi

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Good actor, but we didn't even hear his real voice in the movie. The performance is a Celi / Robert Rietty hybrid.

post #16522 of 16546
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He deserves a better film.

I think it has a lot of good scenes and moments but it doesn’t coalesce into a good film overall. It seems stuck between being a proper Bond film and something of a pastiche. Some elements are dialled up to 11 yet others look cheap and not that cheerful. For every Brandauer there is a Basinger, for every Bernie Casey there is a Rowan Atkinson. Q and M are jokes, yet the sadism of Fatima and Largo is generally played straight, only for them both to gloriously ham it up later. I enjoy the hell out of the fun bits, though and they’re more than half the movie.

I’d also take the SPECTRE of both Thunderball and NSNA over the latest iteration, though, every day and twice on Sundays.
post #16523 of 16546

Carerra is at 11 throughout NSNA, and she's glorious.

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Awesome! Hopefully all the I's are dotted and the T's are crossed for this to happen. 

 

Megan Ellison, for my money, is single-handily the modern day answer to United Artists, backing filmmakers and their visions when more and more studios are too scared to. Having a monster money-maker like Bond in your corner will help continue that cause.

 

http://deadline.com/2017/11/james-bond-domestic-release-deal-mgm-annapurna-daniel-craig-1202205255/

post #16525 of 16546

Now watch them cast Jai Courtney.

post #16526 of 16546
CASINO ROYALE hit theaters 11 years ago on this day. Its crazy to think that much time has passed.

Funnily, on that same day GOLDENEYE had turned 11 as well.

So, with all the time that has passed, which flick is better?


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post #16527 of 16546

Casino Royale is better, but GoldenEye isn't far behind. 

post #16528 of 16546

CASINO ROYALE all the way.  It isn't hamstrung by that shitty Serra score.

post #16529 of 16546

Goldeneye suffers only from some poor comic relief. CR suffers where the writers expanded on or altered the book. Goldeneye is more consistent beginning to end, CR has higher highs. I would say it's a wash. They're both cracking Bond films, and cracking action films in their own right.

 

Oh, and they both have heavily built up and then ultimately disappointing car scenes. 

post #16530 of 16546
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CASINO ROYALE all the way.  It isn't hamstrung by that shitty Serra score.

I'd actually take Serra's score for GE over Arnold's for CR.
post #16531 of 16546

ladies... first...

 

post #16532 of 16546
Nah, this is the goods.


post #16533 of 16546
I love both scores!
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You will never convince me that the Serra score is superior.  Sorry.  Personal taste.

post #16535 of 16546

It's definitely the most unique out of all the Bond scores.

 

I dig it. 

 

It also has probably the best rendition of the Bond theme too. 

post #16536 of 16546
If only John Barry wasn't committed to that awful Scarlet Letter flick.


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I will say this: Famke Janssen gives Eva Greene a real run for the money in the 'Bond Girl' department.  Her orgasmic yelps while she mows people down are incredible, and her look of glee when she says 'he's going to derail us' is amazing.

 

 

at the 2:27 mark.

post #16538 of 16546
Truthfully I'm torn. In 2006 I would have voted CASINO ROYALE without hesitation. Now they're not so far apart as far as I'm concerned. Pretty good actioners with an equal amount of strengths and weaknesses.

I think I'll vote THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS.
post #16539 of 16546
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If only John Barry wasn't committed to that awful Scarlet Letter flick.


 

Boring. 

 

The way the film does the Bond theme is such a nice punch in the air. This gets rid of that entirely. 

post #16540 of 16546
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Boring. 

The way the film does the Bond theme is such a nice punch in the air. This gets rid of that entirely. 


Not a fan of the repetitive Altman cue to be honest. It feels out of place with the rest of the score, but Serra's original composition wasn't great either.


post #16541 of 16546

God I fucking hate that score.

post #16542 of 16546

I like GOLDENEYE a lot, but CASINO ROYALE is easily the superior film.  And it has the superior score.

 

I can respect Serra's out-of-left-field take, and the moodier moments are good, but a lot of it I find unlistenable.  I'm glad they let him take the shot, though.

post #16543 of 16546

You all should catch THE FOREIGNER. Martin Campbell hasn't lost his touch as an action director.

post #16544 of 16546
Goldeneye vs Casino Royale. Tough one for me and I may be a bit biased...Goldeneye was the first Bond I saw in a theatre.

I prefer it to CR. Score be damned.
post #16545 of 16546

For as much as I like Goldeneye, Casino Royale is the better movie. As soon as I saw Craig smile after that guy blows himself up, I knew I was watching the best Bond movie ever.

post #16546 of 16546
They really are neck and neck for me.

Breaking it down IMO, CR wins in score and title song. GE wins in pre-credit sequence, chase scene (the tank scene by a hair over the Miami airport) and we’ll call Bond girls a draw but leaning CR. GE has the better villain as well.

As for performance AS Bond...it’s clearly Brosnans best effort and he’s having a blast doing it, just look at the ear to ear grin during the Q branch scene. Craig was fantastic in CR but much better in Skyfall.

Intangibles are close, GE has a better version of Dench as M and a great Moneypenny. CR has a great Felix Leiter and no sign of Joe Don Baker.

So GE by a nose for me.
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