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Knowing how young Connery was in his Bond films makes me feel very old..
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I've always been curious, especially being as much a Fleming nut as a Bond film fan, why they went for Dr No as the first story, and didn't follow the chronology of the books. 

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I think it was a combination of being set in an exotic location while also being a mostly low-key and pretty contained mystery.  There's not much globetrotting (once Bond is in Jamaica, he's there for the remainder), so for budgetary reasons, it makes sense why DR. NO would have been one of the contenders to adapt first.

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I guess the lack of exotic locales would have scuppered Casino Royale, which could have easily ended up looking like a TV episode, they probably didn't want to touch Live and Let Die with a barge pole, and Moonraker again wasn't exotic. Diamonds is weird and FRWL would have been an odd starting point assuming they were thinking straight adaptations. Makes sense.


Just imagine if they had picked a different film, it would have resulted in a very different formula for Bond films from the start. The very reason we have a Q is because they picked DR. NO first, which is the only time Boothroyd appeared in the novels at the time.

I've always been curious of how a CASINO ROYALE by EON as the first Bond film with Sean Connery would have turned out, and how it would have shaped the rest of the series. Would they have actually gone through with the ending or change it with Bond relaxing with Vesper, like how all other Bond films end.

Then there's the rest of the novels going in book order and how all that would have shaped the film series as a whole. I don't know if MOONRAKER would've become the blockbuster that GOLDFINGER was.
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I'm just gutted we didn't get an octopus fight and the villain buried under a pile of bird shit.

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I've always been curious of how a CASINO ROYALE by EON as the first Bond film with Sean Connery would have turned out, and how it would have shaped the rest of the series. Would they have actually gone through with the ending or change it with Bond relaxing with Vesper, like how all other Bond films end.

 

A film version of CASINO ROYALE starring Connery and using Ben Hecht's script would have been awesome.

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Did Broccoli not own the rights, then? The article I just skimmed about Casino Royale seemed to heavily imply that what became the 1966 film was always an "unoffical" production.

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A film version of CASINO ROYALE starring Connery and using Ben Hecht's script would have been awesome.

Is there Hecht script that's a straight adaptation? I was always under the impression that he had only been involved in the parody. I read some sample of his script that had an agent being debriefed by M about the "death of James Bond", who informs him that he'll be accompanied by more 007s, followed by a sudden wave of 007s walking through the door. I've never seen the parody, but I understand that it's a major gimmick in the film attributed to Hecht's unused script.
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Did Broccoli not own the rights, then? The article I just skimmed about Casino Royale seemed to heavily imply that what became the 1966 film was always an "unoffical" production.

 

Producer Charles Feldman had the rights. He tried to get the Hecht script produced in 1964 as a rival film to the EON series and even asked Broccoli and Saltzman to loan him Connery. When they refused, he offered to do a co-production but wanted too big a chunk of the profits for Broccoli and Saltzman to agree.

 

This is covered in Jeremy Duns's book Duns on Bond.

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Is there Hecht script that's a straight adaptation? I was always under the impression that he had only been involved in the parody. I read some sample of his script that had an agent being debriefed by M about the "death of James Bond", who informs him that he'll be accompanied by more 007s, followed by a sudden wave of 007s walking through the door. I've never seen the parody, but I understand that it's a major gimmick in the film attributed to Hecht's unused script.

 

It was meant to be a straight adaptation. Duns read four drafts of the script and presented an analysis in his article "Rogue Royale," which was reprinted in Duns on Bond.

 

The ending to the last draft has Vesper taking cyanide. Bond finds her before she dies, and she tells him about her betrayal (rather than leaving a letter). Although Bond is clearly affected by her death, the script ends with him recovering from his injuries and sleeping with another woman.

 

(In other words, it ends like an EON film!)

 

The code name gimmick came about because Feldman wasn't sure if they could get Connery, so dialogue in one of the drafts implies that Hecht's James Bond is a different person using the same name. I don't recall anything about multiple 007s appearing -- that sounds too silly for what Hecht had in mind.

 

The spoof version produced by Feldman in 1967 went through many other writers. It bears almost no resemblance to Hecht's work.


Edited by Malmordo - 12/5/17 at 3:10pm
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I've never seen the parody

I still say you need to rectify this.  It's a bad movie, but a wonderfully bizarre one packed with fascinating choices, and some legitimately good elements (David Niven, the production design, the score and songs).

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That CR spoof is nearly unwatchable.

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I may catch it one day, but I've neve really felt any inclination to. The BTS stuff sounds far more interesting than the actual movie. I'm very intrigued that Peter Sellers was truly sincere in wanting to actually play Bond seriously and not make it a gag, that he genuinely thought he could play Bond dramatically and intentionally avoided playing to any comedic bits.
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I may catch it one day, but I've neve really felt any inclination to. The BTS stuff sounds far more interesting than the actual movie. I'm very intrigued that Peter Sellers was truly sincere in wanting to actually play Bond seriously and not make it a gag, that he genuinely thought he could play Bond dramatically and intentionally avoided playing to any comedic bits.

For the 10 minutes or so that they're actually adapting the card game plot, Sellers is actually fine playing it straight(ish).

 

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That CR spoof is nearly unwatchable.

It's worth seeing at least once!  For the audacity of the strangeness alone.

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If you're going to watch it (God help you), supplement your viewing with this:

 

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For the 10 minutes or so that they're actually adapting the card game plot, Sellers is actually fine playing it straight(ish).

 

It's worth seeing at least once!  For the audacity of the strangeness alone.

 

And "The Look of Love"!

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And "The Look of Love"!


Such a terrific song!  Stands toe-to-toe with the "official" Bond songs.  It's SUPER '60s, but in a very classy way.

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 I found the ending of the 60's Casino Royale on youtube. It was what a Mel Brooks movie would be like if he had no talent.

 

Back to Dr No, Bond trying to get under Dr No's skin during the dinner scene is one of my favorites from the franchise.

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I've always loved how he includes Quarrel in his desire for revenge to Dr No..
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Originally Posted by Mr. Stockslivevan View Post


Just imagine if they had picked a different film, it would have resulted in a very different formula for Bond films from the start. The very reason we have a Q is because they picked DR. NO first, which is the only time Boothroyd appeared in the novels at the time.

I've always been curious of how a CASINO ROYALE by EON as the first Bond film with Sean Connery would have turned out, and how it would have shaped the rest of the series. Would they have actually gone through with the ending or change it with Bond relaxing with Vesper, like how all other Bond films end.

Then there's the rest of the novels going in book order and how all that would have shaped the film series as a whole. I don't know if MOONRAKER would've become the blockbuster that GOLDFINGER was.

 

Going in chronological order would have meant Live and Let Die would have been the second film, with an African American as the first Super Villain (the novel paints Mr Big as the ultimate menace and no one, not Bloefeld, not Goldfinger, matched him in terms of resume and being a crimminal mastermind not a nutjob).

 

A Moonraker made in the mid 60's would have been quite interesting...I could see Christopher Lee as a Hugo Drax closer to the novel's conception. 

 

 

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The code name gimmick came about because Feldman wasn't sure if they could get Connery, so dialogue in one of the drafts implies that Hecht's James Bond is a different person using the same name. I don't recall anything about multiple 007s appearing -- that sounds too silly for what Hecht had in mind.

 

 


Amusing that the current Fanboy theory that James Bond 007 is a code name used by many men was first proposed in the 67 Casino Royale (with Woody Allen as "Jimmy Bond!")

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Speaking of sets, I love the intelligence that shone though Adams' work. Something as simple as the contrast in Thunderball between the 00s briefing room and the SPECTRE conference room that colours the thematic conflict postulated between the apparent old fashioned virtues of British state institutions and the clinical brutality of the international criminal corporation. 

 

 

 

 

Also compare the quiet collegialism of the MI6 folks with the members of SPECTRE:

 

 

LOL "Absolute Integrity"

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Originally Posted by jhp1608 View Post

Speaking of sets, I love the intelligence that shone though Adams' work. Something as simple as the contrast in Thunderball between the 00s briefing room and the SPECTRE conference room that colours the thematic conflict postulated between the apparent old fashioned virtues of British state institutions and the clinical brutality of the international criminal corporation. 







Aleays really loved the “meeting of the 00’s” scene.
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Also compare the quiet collegialism of the MI6 folks with the members of SPECTRE:




LOL "Absolute Integrity"

Oh for sure. All very deliberate and a fascinatingly persistent perspective on the innate characteristics of noble paternalistic nationalism and insidious international capitalism, burnished now by age.
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