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post #1 of 90
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It's baseball time again and that means it's almost time for Wood and Prior to go on the DL. Wood anyway. National Expectations are low but they predicted the Cubs to win the past 2 years and are rarely right.

The Cubs, on paper, are better than last year. They have a better CF and leadoff hitter, a stud on defense at SS, a LF who can hit .300 with some pop in ther bat and they improved the middle relief. SP health is always a question but they have decent options.

C Barrett
1B Lee
2B Walker(may not start)
SS Cedano
3B Ramirez
LF Murton
CF Pierre
RF Jones

Other Bench
Blanco, Mabry, Hairston, Perez

Starting Pitchers
Zambrano, Prior, Maddux, Rusch, Williams, Wood, Miller(May)

Relief Pitchers
Dempster, Eyre, Howry, Ohman, Wuertz, Williamson

Others who may make the roster include starters Hill and Guzman, Wellemeyer and Novoa.

Will it be enought to catch the Cards? Possible. If not they are competing with Philly, Mets, Astros, and Brewers for the Wild Card. I'll assume the Braves will win the East and the West will blow again. None of those teams look considerable better or worse than the Cubs. All have holes.

Cubs need to get out of April and May strong. none of this .500 crap. Get 6-10 over early and then build. Don't let the Cards get a big lead early.
post #2 of 90
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Cubs first ST game is March 2nd vs Oak and the tv game is March vs SF.

Hate all Cub players? You'll like Ryan Dempster
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RD: I loved Harry Caray. I always thought he was so funny, and then as I got older, I found out he was mostly drunk. I don't know about impressions—maybe it's more quoting movie lines that's my forte. "Tommy Boy," "Dumb and Dummer," "Black Sheep," "Anchor Man"—I could sit down and quote the whole movie. I can quote the whole movie "UHF" starring Weird Al Yankovic.
Can a guy who knows UHF inside and out be all bad?

And when you are feeling down, sing this song.
Baseball season's on the way
Well you better get ready for a brand new day The Cubs are gonna win today

CHORUS
They're singing, Go Cubs go, go Cubs go The Cubs are gonna win today
Go Cubs go, go Cubs go
Hey Chicago what do you say?
The Cubs are gonna win today

They got the power, they got the speed
To be the best in the National League
Well, this is the year and the Cubs are real
So come on down to Wrigley Field

CHORUS
We're singing now Go Cubs go, go Cubs go
Hey Chicago what do you say?
The Cubs are gonna win today
Go Cubs go, go Cubs go
Hey Chicago what do you say?
The Cubs are gonna win today

Baseball time is here again
You can catch it all on WGN
So step your feet and clap your hands
The Chicago Cubs got the greatest fans

CHORUS
Hear them singing now Go Cubs go, go Cubs go
Hey Chicago what do you say?
The Cubs are gonna win today
Go Cubs go, go Cubs go
Hey Chicago what do you say?
The Cubs are gonna win today.
post #3 of 90
He quotes "Black Sheep"?

This guy is FOR REAL?
post #4 of 90
I'm just getting myself ready for yet another disappointing year. Being a Cubs fan prepared me for living in England - the English don't like to get their hopes up and when everything goes to crap they just shrug their shoulders and say "you couldn't expect it to go well" and just keep on moving. Just like a Cubs fan.
post #5 of 90
This Angel Guzman needs to make the bigs this year if he is going to have the potential people predicted. Weren't they saying two years ago that he is as good as Prior? He is pushing 25 now I believe....time to get on the horse. If he does well he could really help the rotation in the 4 or 5 spot.


Offensively we really have the pieces this year. Derek Lee and Ramirez are great contributors. I have to be honest though...it would be nice to have a bit more pop in the outfield. I doubt Jacque Jones or Murton will slug out 30 homers this year. The dream scenario would be for Sammy to come back and have one last vintage Sammy season (you know without the wierd depression and physical breakdown) but we may have seen the last of him in a major league uniform. I like Juan Pierre in center. He can cover the field defensively AND steal 50-60 bases.

Barrett is fine for me at catcher. The pieces are there....let us see what happens.
post #6 of 90
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It would be a nightmare scenerio if Sammy came back. He had a shot w/ the Nationals but passed because of the money and his fly balls would be 30ft short of the warning track in that horrendous park.

Murton had 7HR in 140 AB. If he starts enough he could het 24-28 which would be great.

Cubs set MLB and franchise record in tickets sold
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The Chicago Cubs today announced that 597,571 tickets were sold on Friday, February 24 -- establishing franchise and Major League Baseball records for tickets sold in a single day.
Crazy. You would think the Cubs had a great year last year and Wood and Prior were ready to go. They will sell out in one day when they win it all.
post #7 of 90
Yes, it's completely shocking that an unsuccessful season hasn't slowed down Cub ticket sales. Because in the past 30 years, that's been the pattern.
post #8 of 90
People I know pretty much just have the cost of season tickets come out of their bank accounts automatically every eyar. It's ridiculous.
post #9 of 90
Interesting fact: The White Sox will be the first World Series Champion team from Chicago to ever play in Wrigley Field. I'd pay $60 bucks to sit in a bleacher seat to see that (in reality, I'll just pay $45 and sit in box seats instead).
post #10 of 90
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Interesting fact: The White Sox will be the first World Series Champion team from Chicago to ever play in Wrigley Field.
And when that happens I'm sure Sports Illustrated will put Manning and Brady on the cove instead of that important event.
post #11 of 90
That's fine with me. What difference does a Sports Illustrated cover make?

Let's do this again, Anya. I don't care how many other Sox fans there are. I don't care if I'm the only one out there. That's not why I choose to cheer for my favorite team. I wouldn't take pride in high attendance numbers, just as I feel no shame for low numbers.

The White Sox won the World Series. You think I give a fuck what magazines, New Yorkers, or Cub fans think of it?
post #12 of 90
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club

The White Sox won the World Series. You think I give a fuck what magazines, New Yorkers, or Cub fans think of it?
Sure seems like you do considering you came to a Cubs thread to gloat about it.
post #13 of 90
Hey, I'll poke my Cub loving in-laws in the ribs all season, too. I don't need them to care whether the White Sox win, but I still enjoy seeing how upset they are that they did.
post #14 of 90
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Cubs start off spring training games beating the A's
8-7
Good news
Pierre bunted twice getting a hit in his 2nd attempt. Cedano drove in a run and Dusty actually tried to steal with him(out) Felix Pie got a triple late to tie up the score. The regulrs-Z, Lee, Ramirez, Dempster, Howry all did well.

A's only scored when the Cubs brought in Bryan Corey who has never pitched in the majors and after getting nobody out(3HR) he probably won't.
post #15 of 90
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it could be worse
Well it was going to happen.

Now they Cubs have been as honest as the Bush administration when it comes to injuries but this one doesn't appear to be that bad as Wood still pitched today and didn't even want the surgery. But Hendry felt it was better to clean it up now rather than have Wood aggravate it and be really screwed.

Prior is still the problem as he hasn't faced a batter this spring. This mystery flu or whatever he had seems b.s.

Still I don't think Wood being out is a big a problem as Prior. I expected nothing from him this year and was counting on Prior. Time will tell.
post #16 of 90
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Cubs 15 M's 8
1B Brandon Sing hit 2 hr replacing DLee. He's hit 26 and 32 the past 2 years in the minors. With him and first round pick Brian Dopirak coming up strond and it makes you wonder if the Cubs will resign Lee. He has 1 year left on his deal and wants a deal before Spring training. Dopirak has a few years left before he's ready and Lee will command near 10 million a year. I have a feeling Lee won't be in a Cub uniform next year if Sing does this all Spring.
post #17 of 90
Near 10 million a year? If he has anywhere close to the year he had last year he'll be expecting 15.
post #18 of 90
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Lee may want it but I don't see MLB teams giving 15 million to guys over 30 anymore.
Lose 7-2
Dopirak homered and Demster, Williamson, and Koronka pitched poorly resulting in the loss. Pie continues to hit well and has some speed w/ his 2nd triple of the Spring. He may be up with the team by June.

Cubs are on WGN today and I believe Rich Hill is pitching. He needs a great spring.
post #19 of 90
Call me when the Cubs top two pitchers can stay healthy.
post #20 of 90
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Originally Posted by Chavez
Call me when the Cubs top two pitchers can stay healthy.
When did Zambrano get hurt?

Win 5-1
From watching the first few innings the Pitching was decent, I love Pie, and Lee won't be resigned unless the Cubs make the playoffs. If not Sing looked good. He's a big guy and looks like he can hit.
post #21 of 90
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
When did Zambrano get hurt?
Didn't realize you guys had tossed the "New Clemens" Kerry Wood to the scrap heap.
post #22 of 90
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Carry on.
post #23 of 90
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I laughed when the Cards lost again in the playoffs. I'll laugh harder when the Cubs beat them up this year.

Cubs win 12-3
Guzman made his first spring start and pitched 2 innings-1H, 1K, 1W- 0 runs. Dopirak had another good game. With Pie, Cedano, and Murton the Cubs may have actual position player talent coming up.
post #24 of 90
[sportsmanship]Seriously, best of luck. A good Cubs team and good Cards team makes for quality baseball.[/sportsmanship]

However, sportsmanship sucks. BOO HISS.
post #25 of 90
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel

Cubs win 12-3
Guzman made his first spring start and pitched 2 innings-1H, 1K, 1W- 0 runs. Dopirak had another good game. With Pie, Cedano, and Murton the Cubs may have actual position player talent coming up.
If Guzman puts together a good spring and makes the rotation....AND lives up to the potential they billed him as having three years ago...watch out. Of course Dusty will most likely use him until his arm no longer functions in a non virtual environment. (See Prior & Wood)
post #26 of 90
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lose 6-5
Maddux walked 3 in 2 innings. Maddux could go 5 starts w/out walking 3.

In the WBC Carlos Zambron pitched well in spots but gave up a 3 run HR. Hopefull Venuezla gets knocked out early so Z can come home.

D Lee had the game winning HR in the 4th as the USA beat Mexico. He destroyed the ball and the best part was that it was to right which means he's seeing the ball well.

Should be interesting to see what Dusty Baker has to say about Bonds now. My guess, "Hey dude, that's all in the past."
post #27 of 90
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lose 13-8
Shitty pitching, shitty fielding leads the loss. not much to write home about.

And Dusty said he had no idea Barry took drugs. funny stuff.
post #28 of 90
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I hope Guzman isn't the next Corey Patterson

Wood walks
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Chicago Cubs pitcher Kerry Wood rejoined the team on Wednesday after undergoing arthroscopic surgery on his right knee, and was able to resume his rehab program right away, throwing about 90 times. And he was standing up when he did it.
This confirms the procedure was no biggie and that shockingly the Cubs didn't lie about an injury. Next thing you'll tell me there is liquid water at the surface of one of Mars' moons.
post #29 of 90
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Prior faces batters
About time.
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Chicago Cubs pitcher Mark Prior faced hitters for the first time Thursday and threw 30 pitches, which could put him in line for a Cactus League start next week.
While the Cubs told the truth about Wood they are lying about Prior. It makes no sense why he wasn't ready to go.

Jerome Williams gets rocked
Good news for Rich Hill(pitches tomorrow against LAA) and Angel Guzman. 6 runs on 8 hits isn't good. On the other hand no walks so it could be a bit decieving.
post #30 of 90
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Hill not good today
Atleast by the numbers. He did K 4 in 2 innings. Guzman gets to pitch tomorrow and i wish it was on tv.
post #31 of 90
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Best mound charges
Old ESPN clip that shows the top 10(9 anyway) mound charges. Some of them never get old. Unfortunatly it's 2002 ish and Kyle Farnsworth tackleing Paul Wilson of the Reds isn't on there.

Lee continues to drive the ball out of the park in the WBC, Zambrano pitched 4 shutout innings and I think Barrett is catching Clemens next.

Cubs have won 2 out of their last 3. Guzman didn't pitch great if I remember and I didn't see the game on tv anywhere. Cubs/Sox this saturday on WGN. Hopefully it's Cub announcers cuz I really hate the Hawkisms.

The Cubs keep saying Prior isn't hurt and they are bring him on slowly so he doesn't get hurt. And they say he will start the season on the roster. Prior wants some game action before then but the Cubs might just throw him out there with only simulated games.

If the Cubs were this concerned they should have shelled out the big bucks for Leo Mazzone. He would have fixed the mechanics and lowred the team ERA by a half run.
post #32 of 90
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This is why the WBC sucks. D Lee hurts shoulder
And he did it diving for a foul ball, something he probably would not have done in a meaningless ST game.

And in no shit news Prior is having his shoulder tested
Just great. All that's left is Zambrano to be hurt in his next Venuezla start.
post #33 of 90
I will never draft a Cubs pitcher again.

KHAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!

How many young arms have Baker and Rothschild ruined now? Nine? Ten?

Why is The Lizard still employed? I wonder if Russ Ortiz still has that game ball......
post #34 of 90
I be fair, it was Riggleman who killed Kerry Wood's career.

There's a lot of talk around Chicago of Prior just being a gigantic pussy who can't pitch unless he doesn't feel any pain at all. Of course, that'll all be thrown aside if he turns out to have actually torn his rotator.
post #35 of 90
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
I be fair, it was Riggleman who killed Kerry Wood's career.

There's a lot of talk around Chicago of Prior just being a gigantic pussy who can't pitch unless he doesn't feel any pain at all. Of course, that'll all be thrown aside if he turns out to have actually torn his rotator.
Who's talking about a torn rotator cuff? Nobody....right? RIGHT? It's just some minor shoulder irritation. No big deal. He'll be back in a week or so.... maybe he'll miss a few starts. Yup....he'll be just fine.....just fine...
post #36 of 90
Here's a great article showing how Cub managers have killed their star pitchers:

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune....s-home-utility

It has become popular in the past few years to say that pitchers are being 'babied' too much. They bring up guys like Bob Gibson or Nolan Ryan and reminisce about how they could pitch all day...in four man rotations...and uphill both ways...

That's all bullshit. Some guys can do it, and some can't. Sandy Koufax didn't last long, and I'm pretty sure he was pitching in the same era of guys like Gibson. The truth is, however, that it all depends on the pitcher. Some guys can take it, others can't. Roger Clemens has been a hard thrower for a long time, but hasn't had a problem. Why not? Probably just genetics. I know people talk about how hard he works in the offseason, but to say every pitcher who gets hurt just doesn't work out hard enough is stupid. You have to find out if your guy can do it or not, rather than just throwing them into the fire and seeing what happens.
post #37 of 90
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Overlord
I will never draft a Cubs pitcher again.
I was laughing when you drafted Prior in the 3rd. Bad idea.

If anything take Zambrano that early. Top 10 in K's, 14-16 wins and low whip.

Baker could be gone by August if they aren't in the Playoff hunt.
post #38 of 90
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Here's a great article showing how Cub managers have killed their star pitchers:

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune....s-home-utility

It has become popular in the past few years to say that pitchers are being 'babied' too much. They bring up guys like Bob Gibson or Nolan Ryan and reminisce about how they could pitch all day...in four man rotations...and uphill both ways...

That's all bullshit. Some guys can do it, and some can't. Sandy Koufax didn't last long, and I'm pretty sure he was pitching in the same era of guys like Gibson. The truth is, however, that it all depends on the pitcher. Some guys can take it, others can't. Roger Clemens has been a hard thrower for a long time, but hasn't had a problem. Why not? Probably just genetics. I know people talk about how hard he works in the offseason, but to say every pitcher who gets hurt just doesn't work out hard enough is stupid. You have to find out if your guy can do it or not, rather than just throwing them into the fire and seeing what happens.
I do agree with you. I think its total Genetics with mechanics mixed in. The comparison of Ryan and Clemens is a good one. Those guys had a similar builds and also both guys threw with their legs . Drop and drive is what saves your arm. You can even look at their minor injuries over the years most of them had more to do with their legs than arms. Another good example of this is Tom Seaver he was still throwing in the low 90's into his early 40's. Then look at guys who throw more straight up for example Pedro they run into the arm problems all the time.

I kind of disagree with you about Koufax though seeing he did retire kinda young so it looks like he couldnmt last. But he did pitch 11 full seasons which is a decent length career. He was only 31 or 32 when he retired but he was playing in Brooklyn as an 18 year old(He couldnt go to the minors due to the Bonus Baby rules they had back then) Also he never declined he just decided on his own that pitching through pain was no longer worth it especially pitching sometimes over 300 innings a year like he did. He probably could have lasted 3 or 4 more years.
post #39 of 90
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Maddux strong in win vs Giants
5 hits over 4 innings. Ramirez goes deep.
Prior likely to DL
For a shoulder strain. Sounds like he's scared w/ all his other injuries. Pitchers hurt all the time. I bet Maddux doesn't cry every time his arm hurts. I just wish he could get it together because he really is a great pitcher.
post #40 of 90
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
For a shoulder strain. Sounds like he's scared w/ all his other injuries. Pitchers hurt all the time. I bet Maddux doesn't cry every time his arm hurts. I just wish he could get it together because he really is a great pitcher.
I'm starting to wonder the same thing myself. I do truly think that Dusty might have leaned on Prior and Wood TOO much in 03. I also think that maybe there is more to what is going on with Prior than just physical issues.
post #41 of 90
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11-9-1

Not a bad Spring start.
beat Seattle 6-1
Rusch is starting to pitch better. 5 innings, 1 hit, 1 run. Eyre has given up 3 hits in 8 2/3 innings. If he pitches close to that it will be a huge upgrade.

So far the Cubs top 3 is decent Zambrano, Rusch, Maddux. Not ideal but if Pierre can spark the offense all 3 can win 15 games with Zambrano capable of 20 wins.

The 4/5 spot is iffy. Williams pitched well last year with little run support. Rookies Guzman and Hill are battling for 5. With Prior, Wood, and Wade Miller not ready till May, the Cubs need a fast start. Now if either Prior, Wood, or Miller come back in top form I can see Wild Card and within 7 games of the Cards.

Good News-Lee finally played and ARam is on fire.
post #42 of 90
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The most shocking news ever-Wood/Prior to start season on 15 day DL.

Marquis Grissom retired.

Todd Wellmeyer(out of options) traded to the Marlins.
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The Cubs acquired two pitchers from the Marlins in right-hander Lincoln Holdzkom and lefty Zach McCormack. Holdzkom, 24, has a 2.86 ERA in 110 career games in the Marlins organization. He has worked primarily out of the bullpen, striking out 194 in 160 1/3 innings. Opponents have hit .184 against him.
post #43 of 90
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Lefty Sean Marshall tabbed as Cubs 4th starter
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"I'm just going to take it like any other Minor League game I've pitched in my life and just do the same," said Marshall, who has not pitched higher than Double-A and has a career 14-13 record and 2.64 ERA in 44 Minor League starts. "There might be more people in the stands, but I'm up there for a reason."

The lefty hasn't given up a run in 10 1/3 innings over five spring games. Marshall, 23, never imagined he'd be in this position when pitchers and catchers reported to Fitch Park in mid-February.
Zambrano, Rusch, Maddux, Marshall. Not sure if they are skipping the 5th starter for a while.
post #44 of 90
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Cubs 25 man roster

Starters Batting Order
CF-Pierre(L)
2B-Walker(L)-primary starter
1B-Lee
3B-Ramirez
RF-Jones(L)
C-Barrett
LF-Murton
SS-Cedano

Reserves
C-Blanco
2B,OF-Hairston
2B, SS, 3B-Perez(S)
RF, LF, 1B-Marbry(L)
OF, 2B, SS, 3B-Bynum(L)
OF-Pagan(S)

Starting Pitching
Zambrano
Rusch(L)
Maddux
Marshall(L)
Williams

Relief
Eyre(L)
Howry
Wuertz
Ohman(L)
Williamson
Dempster(Closer)

Cubs have improved team speed and a vastly improved bullpen. Starting pitching is average with room for improvement if Wood, Prior or Miller comes back. Offense will have to learn not to rely on the longball though Lee, Ramirez, Jones, and Murton have 20+HR in them and Barrett and Walker should hit 15 each.

Dusty will have to steal more bases and hit and run. They need to get early leads and rely on the strong bullpen.

A Wild Card run is not out of the question. The NL isn't filled with world beaters and the Astros and Cards got weaker. Of course the Brewers seem better but they are, as of now, just potential.
post #45 of 90
Wouldn't surprise me at all if Marshall turns out to be be the pitcher Hill and Guzman were supposed to be.
post #46 of 90
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It's deja vu all over again. Last year the Cubs score 16 on Opening Day, this year 16. 2003 I believe they scored 15 against the Mets.

From what little I've seen, and more I've read, a tea cup strike zone would be considered huge for this ump. 17 walks(10 Cubs, 7 Reds).

And team speed highlighed this game. Pierre and Cedano had bunt hits and there were a few more infield singles. Pagan also showed some wheels.

Cubs win 16-7
post #47 of 90
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Cubs lose 8-6 despite 3, 2 run HR. Giving the opposing pitcher a HR in the 3rd led to Aurilia getting a 2 run shot with 2 out.

On home to face the Cards. With rain expected this entire weekend I hope they can get the games in.
post #48 of 90
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Cubs beat Cards 5-1
This one was a worry because Maddux is so shaky in April. While he wasn't dominating, he just outpitched Suppan. 4 hits and 2 walks was all he allowed. Bobby Howry ccame in and looked fantastic with the 5/5 batters he faced.

Again speed was the name of the game for the Cubs. A triple and a hustle double by Cedano, attempted suicide squeeze, and great range in the outfield by Murton and Jones.

There is a definate differance the way the Cubs are playing this year. Murton is playing well in left. Cedano has a gun at short that shortened an inning today. They are being aggressive on the basepaths but not Alou/Sosa aggressive where they don't know the situations and get called out.
post #49 of 90
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Cubs beat Cards 5-1
This one was a worry because Maddux is so shaky in April. While he wasn't dominating, he just outpitched Suppan. 4 hits and 2 walks was all he allowed. Bobby Howry ccame in and looked fantastic with the 5/5 batters he faced.

Again speed was the name of the game for the Cubs. A triple and a hustle double by Cedano, attempted suicide squeeze, and great range in the outfield by Murton and Jones.

There is a definate differance the way the Cubs are playing this year. Murton is playing well in left. Cedano has a gun at short that shortened an inning today. They are being aggressive on the basepaths but not Alou/Sosa aggressive where they don't know the situations and get called out.
post #50 of 90
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The new bleachers look great too. There is a spot in the RF bleacher wall(where the green door was) that you can look though to see the game from the sidewalk. The CF has a nice looking resturant.
And of course they are called Bud Light Bleachers with a plaque outside the stadium.
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