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post #1 of 44
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http://www.fxnetworks.com/shows/orig...hite/main.html

This is my most anticipated new show. A white family and a black family swap races to get first hand experience of the racial divide in the country. Premieres this Wednesday.
post #2 of 44
The only thing I'm sure of with this show is that I'm sick and damn tired of hearing that Ice Cube song playing constantly on the FX channel.
post #3 of 44
The blacks that turn white are really oddlooking. The Whites to black just look funny. The promos do need to stop and I think this one is passable.
post #4 of 44
Didn't Eddie Murphy do this on SNL twenty years back?
post #5 of 44
"White people GIVE eachother stuff"
post #6 of 44
Wow. If no one can tell that those white people are actually black people then that's fucked up.
post #7 of 44
It does look odd, but I'll tune in. I think the black family in make-up looks more convincing.
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post #9 of 44
Neither look convincing in their new colors, but I probably wouldn't say that if this show didn't exist, or I just randomly passed by them on the street.
post #10 of 44
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Originally Posted by detonathor
I think the black family in make-up looks more convincing.
Agreed. However I think if most people saw the white family just randomly on the street, they would think they looked wierd but wouldn't necessarily jump to the conclusion that they were in black face. The kids transition the best. The daughter kinda of looks like Jessica Alba after her transformation and the son looks like that actor who plays Matt on Nip/Tuck.

I'm not sure how in depth this show will get, but as a psychologist I'm curious to see how these transformations affects the individual as opposed to how they are able to function in society. Will they change their behaviors to conform to how they think the other race acts or if they will just be themselves. Will they perceive the world around them differently? How will they interpret other people's actions towards themselves? As a case study, the results of this experiment are specific for these two families and can't be generalized to the population at large. But its still fascinating to see whether any insights can be gleaned from their experience that could be beneficial to everyone.
post #11 of 44
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Originally Posted by Diva
I'm not sure how in depth this show will get, but as a psychologist I'm curious to see how these transformations affects the individual as opposed to how they are able to function in society. Will they change their behaviors to conform to how they think the other race acts or if they will just be themselves.
This is an interesting point, and I read something in the Sunday paper book review section related to this. It seems that on standardized tests, if minority students are asked to self-identify their ethnicity before beginning the actual exam, their scores tend to be lower as a group, presumably because it makes them acutely aware of the expectations that society has for them. I had never heard that particular anecdote before, and I think it underscores some of the more subtle and insidious effects of racism. In terms of this show, will the audience see any examples of the participants acting differently than they normally would? Will the people even realize they are doing it, or why?

This show sounds like it could be interesting if the producers put some intelligent effort into it. Won't be able to see it myself since a) I live in the UK and b) don't own a tv; still, if I hear good things about it, I might try to grab it online or rent the eventual DVDs.
post #12 of 44
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Originally Posted by Ilmarinkatu
This is an interesting point, and I read something in the Sunday paper book review section related to this. It seems that on standardized tests, if minority students are asked to self-identify their ethnicity before beginning the actual exam, their scores tend to be lower as a group, presumably because it makes them acutely aware of the expectations that society has for them. I had never heard that particular anecdote before, and I think it underscores some of the more subtle and insidious effects of racism.
Yup. It's called "stereotype threat". There's tons of research detailing this phenomenom. It not only occurs on a racial level, it can occur on a gender level as well. For example, our society tends to label women as bad at math and science. Research has found that when women are cued to become aware of their gender right before taking a math or science test, they perform much worse than when they aren't.
post #13 of 44
This show looks fucking dumb.
post #14 of 44
I still think this show looks like a mad tv sketch.

Is there really any new ground to cover here? Yea, there is still racism to black people and a ton of white people are oblivious to it.
post #15 of 44
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Originally Posted by Fazer
Is there really any new ground to cover here? Yea, there is still racism to black people and a ton of white people are oblivious to it.
I guess we should just ignore the situation then. Pretend its not a problem, just like homelessness.
post #16 of 44
No problem can be solved by reality TV. Except racism, I mean.
post #17 of 44
I hope one day there's a reality TV show that can solve the Diva problem.
post #18 of 44
Wasn't she on I Want To Be A Hilton?
post #19 of 44
The Simpleton Life?
post #20 of 44
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Originally Posted by Diva
I guess we should just ignore the situation then. Pretend its not a problem, just like homelessness.
I think approaching the situation with INTELLIGENCE is going to help more than trivializing it with some dramatic knockoff of a comedy skit (most recently the trading spouses skit in Chappelle's show for example).
post #21 of 44
I have my DVR set to record the first episode, but it remains to be seen if I will give the show a Season Pass.

Also, I started a thread for this a few months back when I first read about the show:
http://chud.com/forums/showthread.php?t=87171
post #22 of 44
I can't wait to see this....I think its a brilliant idea and with Ice Cube behind it, should end up pretty solid!
post #23 of 44
The premise appears perfect for a two hour special, not a series.

I am curious, but definitely not that enthusiastic. The show's concept trivializes racism as stemming from mere skin color. I think there's a pretty good likelihood that vast portions of this show are going to come across as a comedy sketch.

The good-natured ribbing of Diva was pretty hysterical, BTW.
post #24 of 44
good point...how many episodes are in the series?
post #25 of 44
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Originally Posted by Kevin Matchstick
This show looks fucking dumb.
It appears that I am spoken for.
post #26 of 44
I find it funny. I think they are taking the wrong approach on Bruno.

Brian has been trying to show Bruno the little things going on, which is in my opinion impossible to do because there is no prove on why the little things occur (was the woman moving to avoid them or was she trying to give them room to walk).

I would of prefered to see Bruno in the bar when Brian was working. If you saw that speech that one white patron made, it was jaw dropping. I guess white people don't show outer racism to black people, but have no problem with showing it with other white people.
post #27 of 44
I'm not getting anything from this show, and it doesn't appear that the families are, either. It's argument after argument that amounts to the clothing store problem: "Bruno thinks they're coming to help him, but they're really coming over to size him up." Yawn. You can go back and forth on that forever. The show fails, so far.

But the girl does look like Jessica Alba. So I'll tune in again.
post #28 of 44
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Originally Posted by Kevin Matchstick
No problem can be solved by reality TV. Except racism, I mean.
I never said this show would solve the problem. It's goal is to open up a much needed dialouge that some people, particularly in this thread, don't care to have because apparently racism is old news.
post #29 of 44
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Originally Posted by Overlord
The premise appears perfect for a two hour special, not a series.

The show's concept trivializes racism as stemming from mere skin color.
It's only six episodes.

I don't think that's the case. Much of the first episode dealt with how the participants, particularly the fathers, perceive and interpret the world around them.
post #30 of 44
I expect about as much insight into racial identities out of this as I would get out of watching White Chicks or Soul Man. I'm sure the entire experiment will have a nice, trite, predictible moral at the end that might as well be spoon fed to the audience by Mr. Drummond.
post #31 of 44
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Originally Posted by DerekT
Brian has been trying to show Bruno the little things going on, which is in my opinion impossible to do because there is no prove on why the little things occur (was the woman moving to avoid them or was she trying to give them room to walk).
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Originally Posted by UserNameIndeed
I'm not getting anything from this show, and it doesn't appear that the families are, either. It's argument after argument that amounts to the clothing store problem: "Bruno thinks they're coming to help him, but they're really coming over to size him up."
This is a perfect example of why its so hard to eradicate racism. It's the mental aspect of it. While the Civil Rights Movement ended segregation, it has not led to the elimination of attitudes, habits and thought processes ingrained in entire populations over generations. The guy in the focus group who absentmindedly wipes his hands after touching a black person is a perfect example of this. But the fact that he recognizes what happened and is consciously attempting to alter his behavior is what sets him apart from people like Bruno, who won't even acknowledge that racism exists. His belief that bad things only happen to bad people is why our society aren't able to have an open dialouge about race relations in America.

I do agree that Brian seems to see racism where they may not be any. But at the same time once you've experienced racism, its hard not to see it everywhere. I think if at the end of the show Bruno recognizes that some people are treated differently because of the color of their skin and if Brian learns not to assume everyone is "sizing him up" then the show did its job.

So far, I think the daughter is getting the most out of this show. She seems to really want to understand what its like to be in another person's shoes. The poetry class was a great way to do that because it enabled her and the other kids to express themselves in a very personal way. I also loved that she didn't want to change her behavior to conform to racial expectations. In the previews, it showed the White family learning how to talk "Black" and vice versa for the Black family. That's exactly what I didn't want to see happen. Hopefully, the show will address the issue intelligently and not just focus on stereotypes.
post #32 of 44
this show is about as relevant as the movie Crash.

It would have been great in the mid 1980's.
post #33 of 44
Funny, I thought this show was better than Crash.
post #34 of 44
I thought it was a good show, will definatly tune in next week.

I thought it was hilarious that everytime Bruno opened his mouth Brian looked like he wanted to stomp him into the dirt.
post #35 of 44
Also, that slam poetry looked like fun. Too bad the white girl (can't remember name) didn't, she was overwhelmed.
post #36 of 44
Like all reality tv this show is a fraud
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In the pilot of the six-week series, defined by FX Network's president and general manager, John Landgraf, as a documentary despite its reality show elements, a driving range where Brian Sparks, disguised as a white man, hits golf balls is identified as being at an "all-white country club" in Pasadena. Sparks is later shown buying shoes at what is presumably the course's pro shop.

Following a preview of the show on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" last month that contained the golf sequence, Alan Amitin, an attorney for the John Wells Golf Shop, told FX and the filmmakers that the driving range and the golf store shown were in different locations. The shop is located at the Brookside Golf Course in Pasadena, a public facility where many blacks play, he said, while the driving range was in Burbank. He alleged that the segment portrayed his client as racist, saying the depiction was inflammatory and asked them in a written demand to excise those references.

When the pilot aired Wednesday, the location of the driving range was changed from Pasadena to Burbank, and the "all-white country club" reference was deleted.
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Another sequence in the pilot involved teenager Rose Wurgel, who enrolls in an all-black slam poetry class in Hollywood run by veteran spoken-word artist Poetri and his wife, Juren Smith. The pilot does not disclose that the couple was aware from the beginning that Rose was white.

In the broadcast version, a voice-over by Rose was inserted in which she explains that the couple is aware she is white.
So they get busted and have to fess up. How many others did they tell? How many figured it out but were told to play along? Glad I didn't tune in.
post #37 of 44
On second thought, maybe the white girl was pretending to be overwhelmed. Thanks for the article, man.
post #38 of 44
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Bummer man. But some of that stuff can go either way.

The article mentions that the pro shop is "presumably" at the same golf club. While watching the show, I didn't presume anything. I just thought he went to a strip mall or something to buy the shoes. And I'm not sure how they were portrayed to be racist. All Brian said was that he personally had never had a salesperson actually put the shoe on for him. He never said or implied that that particular store or that particular salesperson would not do the same if he had been black.

Also, whether or not the poetry teachers know Rose is white is irrelevant. It's how she interacts with the other kids and they interact with her. I actually assumed that they did know, because they made a point of saying earlier in the show that due to her age she had to have a chaperone at all times to make sure she was okay. But despite my assumption, as mentioned in the article they did announce that the teachers knew.

Again, I went into this show expected that certain interactions would be staged and conversation forced (just as all "reality" shows do), but the people involved in this show aren't actors and their experiences are real. I still think its a worthwhile experiment and I'm gonna see how it plays out.
post #39 of 44
Put me into the non-assuming as well about where the guy bought his shoes.

And I also don't understand why when two people know that means the entire class knew that Rose wasn't Black.

Saw the second episode just now, why isn't that one family at the bar. Twice now we have seen one members of the Spark's family hear racist comments and the other family is completly unaware of this.
post #40 of 44
as a resident of pasadena, and a person who is picking up golf, and an indian man, I know there is no such all white facility.
post #41 of 44
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The golf outing was such a small part of the show and the goal wasn't to show racism, but to see if Brian would pass as White (which he did). I don't know why people keep focusing on it. The more important question is where the fuck is that bar located that Brian works at. That hidden camera footage is downright scary.
post #42 of 44
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Originally Posted by Diva
The golf outing was such a small part of the show and the goal wasn't to show racism, but to see if Brian would pass as White (which he did). I don't know why people keep focusing on it. The more important question is where the fuck is that bar located that Brian works at. That hidden camera footage is downright scary.
Actually what outright scary is that its not really hidden camera footage, as far as I knew there was a law stating that you had to sign a release for your face to make it on TV.
post #43 of 44
Look, I enjoy putting on blackface and doing a minstrel show as much as the next guy, but this show just looks dumb.
post #44 of 44
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I'm gonna pull a Matt Goldberg and say that until you've actually seen an episode of this show, your opinion doesn't count.
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