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post #501 of 616
5/17/06 at 4:57am
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Originally Posted by Into Another
Both XMEN movies>Both Spider-Man movies
The correct equation is X2 > Spider-Man 2 > Spider-Man > X-Men
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post #502 of 616
5/17/06 at 5:14am
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It's a movie. Comic book characters can take years to gestate, and become who they are. Movies don't have that leeway, they have two hours to tell their story, so they have to economise in every way possible to make sure their story is good enough to support the flick.
And that's certainly true. I absolutely understand that. What I'm saying is--why does Spider-Man get more slack in that area than X-Men? In my opinion, both series have cut down elements and pared down characters and all of those things. And I think that X-Men has A) Told a better story with what it has, an B) Keeps the "essence" or the original story much better.
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post #503 of 616
5/17/06 at 5:22am
I'd say because cinematically, at least SPIDER-MAN 2 is a better movie. I also think X-Men is a pretty hard nut to crack, because of all of the characters, and I think they've done reasonably well so far, despite Wolverine crying, but compared to X-Men's characters and villains, I think Spidey almost writes itself.

Personally, I enjoy all four movies but recognize they all have big flaws. X-Men has the underwritten characters, Spidey has Kirsten Dunst and an unrecognizable MJ. But cinematically, SPIDER-MAN 2 is the best movie out of the lot.

As much as I like the flicks, I think X-MEN would have been better being a HBO mini-series or something first, before then moving to a movie. I'm not sure you get all of those characters into a movie where at least one or two doesn't feel wasted, and I feel that's half the trouble with the movies.
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post #504 of 616
5/18/06 at 11:05pm
Why did they rip off the Matrix: Revolutions' tagline? It's not even good.
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post #505 of 616
5/18/06 at 11:21pm
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Originally Posted by Matt Goldberg
The correct equation is Spider-Man 2 > X2 > Spider-Man > X-Men
Fixed.
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post #506 of 616
5/19/06 at 12:21am
I like Spider-man 2 a lot but I find X2 far more rewatchable and as far as superhero movies go, I think it's superior. In terms of overall quality, yes, Spider-Man 2 is a better made film (except for the aforementioned Dunst and that weird dream-filter cut from Jonan to Doc Ock's lair; to this day I still have no idea what the fuck that's about).
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post #507 of 616
5/19/06 at 12:56am
In X2, I found the plotline concerning prof X, Cerebro (that big round room thing, if Igot the name wrong) and the mutant kid in the wheelchair to be really weak. In my mind (not knowing the comics well) they redefined the abilities of cerebro from the first fiilm, to make it more dangerous and up the stakes. And with so many characters I found it hard to get a feeling of what the story was really about. I mean was there a common theme? Can anyone summ up that film in a single sentance or two?

It's a pity cause I quite lke many of the character moments and action scenes (especially the first).

And cause of that I've lost a lot of love for the third film, even before the whole Ratner thing comes into it.
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post #508 of 616
5/19/06 at 1:05am
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Originally Posted by Tom Roberts
I mean was there a common theme? Can anyone summ up that film in a single sentance or two?
Using a mind control serum, Col. William Stryker has learned everything there is to know about Cerebro from the incarcerated Magneto, and (after duping the President into allowing him to raid the X-Mansion on the pretense of a fact-gathering mission) he gathers the materials needed to create a duplicate cerebro to use against Mutant kind. The X-Men must form a shaky alliance with the Brotherhood of Mutants to stop this new threat.

I don't have anything else to add at this point; summing up the movie in two sentences just sounded like a fun challenge. How'd I do?
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post #509 of 616
5/19/06 at 1:34am
Works for me.

I'd also add that pretty much every character gets some good moments and it's a film where you argue over what's the best sequence (but then again, it's a more action-oriented film; Spider-man 2 is more character-oriented which is why everyone tends to point to the train sequence as the best part).
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post #510 of 616
5/19/06 at 1:52am
Exactly. The reason why the first two X-films work is because Singer sprinkled little character defining moments in to help make each character different from the other. Hell, even Storm gets a few nice moments in X2. And to this day, I'll defend Logan crying in X2. If there's anyone Wolverine would shed tears over losing, it's Jean Grey. And it's not like he collapsed into a blubbering pile, either. He was trying to fight them back. What the hell would you expect him to do, merely lower his head and light a cigar?

Anyhoo, the third film doesn't have this. The new "Evil Mutants" are all the same Bad Attitude Punk Teen character, with different powers. Callisto in particular seems to have graduated from the Michelle Rodriguiez School of Scowling All the Time.
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post #511 of 616
5/19/06 at 1:53am
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Originally Posted by D.T.
How'd I do?
Yeah that's a pretty good summary. I guess I was never really sold on the 'threat of the new cerebro'. For some reason my brain has no problem with a device that can track mutants accross the globe (from the first film), but for some reason found the idea that it could kill all mutants(or humans) totally unbelieveable.

I think after that point I lost the belief that stryker was a credible threat, and the movie fell apart for me from there.
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post #512 of 616
5/19/06 at 1:57am
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Originally Posted by g-dude
Exactly. The reason why the first two X-films work is because Singer sprinkled little character defining moments in to help make each character different from the other. Hell, even Storm gets a few nice moments in X2.
Cyclops and prof X get a tough deal. Both of them spend most of the movie mind controlled and out of the action. The little tussle with Lady Fingernails didn't really cut it for me.
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post #513 of 616
5/19/06 at 2:22am
Cyclops probably gets the rawest deal out of anyone in X2, since he's out of commision for a large chunk of the film, but his moments come at the end, after Jean dies--especially that final exchange between him and Logan. It was the first time I actually believed the film embodied the standard decripton of Cyclops "carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders."

Xavier gets his fair share of screentime, though. His interactions with Magneto, Stryker, the hallucenation where he's able to walk and he starts crying...to that last look he gives at the end of the film (which promised so much, and we're going to get so little of that).

As for the Lady Deathstryke fight, well, I like it a lot. I think Singer got a little too zoom happy for parts of it, but it was pretty brutal, and actually showed why Wolvie stabbing her multiple times didn't kill her, which they bungled in the first one with the Sabertooth fight.
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post #514 of 616
5/19/06 at 3:58am
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Originally Posted by g-dude
If there's anyone Wolverine would shed tears over losing, it's Jean Grey. And it's not like he collapsed into a blubbering pile, either. He was trying to fight them back. What the hell would you expect him to do, merely lower his head and light a cigar?
That would actually be a pretty funny outtake they should have put on the DVD...
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post #515 of 616
5/19/06 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by Tom Roberts
Yeah that's a pretty good summary. I guess I was never really sold on the 'threat of the new cerebro'. For some reason my brain has no problem with a device that can track mutants accross the globe (from the first film), but for some reason found the idea that it could kill all mutants(or humans) totally unbelieveable.

I think after that point I lost the belief that stryker was a credible threat, and the movie fell apart for me from there.
Well, Cerebro wasn't the instrument of destruction, Prof. X was, Cerebro was just the filter. Prof. X was the only one powerful enough to use it.

Bryan Singer may not have great chops when it comes to action but he paced the film so that when we did get an action scene, it worked because the characters had been so well defined by that point, it wasn't a set-piece, there was a natural evolution towards that scene and that's why the film's are more satisfying.
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post #516 of 616
5/19/06 at 9:21am
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Originally Posted by g-dude
What the hell would you expect him to do, merely lower his head and light a cigar?
That would have been fucking awesome.
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post #517 of 616
5/19/06 at 10:48am
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Originally Posted by dudalb
And there are a lot of X men fanboys who will go see any piece of crap that has the magic words X Men on it.

I liked the Spidey films better then the X Men films, but that is because I have always been a big Spidey fan and was only a moderate follower of the X men.
I like you use of the word "fanboy" to describe those that would see any piece of crap with the magic words X Men on it.

And then go on to say that you prefer the Spidey films because you've always been a big Spidey fan. You left out the word "fanboy" in that part though.
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post #518 of 616
5/19/06 at 10:51am
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Originally Posted by Matt Goldberg
The correct equation is X2 > Spider-Man 2 > Spider-Man > X-Men
Nah. I had it right the first time.
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post #519 of 616
5/19/06 at 10:52am
You can be a big fan and not be a fanboy.
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post #520 of 616
5/19/06 at 10:59am
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Originally Posted by D.T.
You can be a big fan and not be a fanboy.
Exactly my point. But dismissing XMEN fans as fanboys because they'll watch crap and saying you prefer something over XMEN anyway is a very "fanboyish" thing to say.

If we're going by the "urban dictionary" definition of the word. Personally, I think the word is ridiculous.
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post #521 of 616
5/19/06 at 3:03pm
Wait...that's CALLISTO?

That may be worse casting than Halle Berry.
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post #522 of 616
5/19/06 at 3:44pm
What does Callisto even DO?!

I always thought her mutant power was being able to look like Joan Jett.
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post #523 of 616
5/19/06 at 3:52pm
And be a pain in the ass to Storm.

But still, the chick playing her looks like a muppet babies version. Or maybe a Burger King interpretation.
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post #524 of 616
5/19/06 at 3:55pm
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette
What does Callisto even DO?!

I always thought her mutant power was being able to look like Joan Jett.
Well basically not a lot....

She wizzes about like The Flash and apparently can sense other mutants and their strengths... which is a power I like to call "handy plot progression power"
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post #525 of 616
5/19/06 at 4:04pm
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Originally Posted by g-dude
What the hell would you expect him to do, merely lower his head and light a cigar?
Yes. That's much more Wolverine than crying, especially hugging Cyclops.
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post #526 of 616
5/19/06 at 4:13pm
Just be happy that they didn't stay true to Callisto's deadly TENTACLE ARMS.

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post #527 of 616
5/19/06 at 4:28pm
Ratner and Harry Knowles: No longer Computer Friends!

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1195604_1_0_,00.html
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post #528 of 616
5/19/06 at 4:54pm
"he's been romantically linked to tennis star Serena Williams, model Naomi Campbell, and actress Rebecca Gayheart "


The mind boggles.

(edited to add that this guy...in this pic at least...looks like the guy who introduced me to this website. Bizzare. http://img.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/im...__ratner_l.jpg )
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post #529 of 616
5/19/06 at 5:12pm
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Originally Posted by wadew1
Ratner and Harry Knowles: No longer Computer Friends!

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,1195604_1_0_,00.html
Oh NOES1!!
Where did it all go wrong?!
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post #530 of 616
5/19/06 at 5:17pm
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Originally Posted by BobClark
Oh NOES1!!
Where did it all go wrong?!
Most likely something to do with Pweasants.
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post #531 of 616
5/19/06 at 5:21pm
You'll never recieve CONSULTATION from Harry Knowles again, Ratner!
You blew it!
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post #532 of 616
5/19/06 at 5:36pm
Personally, I find the 2nd half of the interview more disturbing. Hats off to the writer for a piece that the right people will think is complimentary, while the rest of us are creeped out by the man.

And no, I was not a Rantner hater before this. The man made me raise a bemused eyebrow, but if all that's true...ugh.
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post #533 of 616
5/19/06 at 5:46pm
He is kinda creepy. The pragmatic folks will tell us that he is "crying all the way to the bank." That is fine and all. But us wierdo idealists can still say, 'Hey what a shithead. I don't care how much money he makes. He doesn't matter."
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post #534 of 616
5/19/06 at 6:33pm
What a colossal asshole.
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post #535 of 616
5/19/06 at 6:47pm
There's a feature/interview on Ratner in this month's GQ (in the UK), its a pretty interesting read. At one point he's at a party with GQ's interviewer and notices his nemesis Joel Silver and decides to piss him off for no particular reason. He also tries to hit on Monica Belluci who snubs him very coldly. Funny stuff. And yeah, he does come across as a wanker, no surprise.
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post #536 of 616
5/19/06 at 6:51pm
He kinda reminds me of that asshole producer guy from True Romance, but hey, if I had his money I'd try to bang supermodels.
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post #537 of 616
5/19/06 at 7:39pm
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Originally Posted by TheJuniorMint
What a colossal asshole.
I concur.
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post #538 of 616
5/19/06 at 8:01pm
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Originally Posted by Brett Ratner
''Do you think that this studio would give me several hundred million dollars if I wasn't a serious filmmaker? These guys are not f---ing around.''
The article then quotes the following on the next page:

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Originally Posted by Tom Rothman
''There really wasn't much to do..."
Fucking awesome.

Anyway, why doesn't it surprise me that Ratner was a spoiled kid from Miami? It's entirely irrelevant - I didn't know anything about the guy's personal life until now, and I still disliked very much both his approach to filmmaking and how he carries himself. I imagine it's the same with most people, so saying that Ratner is so hated because we're all jealous is a massive pile of bullshit. It just makes sense that someone who half-asses his way through all of these large projects was the product of half-assed parenting. And how much fucking longer will the industry have to suffer Harry Knowles as any kind of source for insightful commentary?
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post #539 of 616
5/20/06 at 1:21am
Why would anyone be surprised to see Knowles do an about-face on one of his opinions? He's done this so many times he ought to be dizzy by now. The man is constantly at the mercy of the fanboys winds.
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post #540 of 616
5/20/06 at 2:25am
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Originally Posted by Riquolice Lizra
Anyone see the Justice League movie? Okay then count your blessings you whining stereotypes.
What does this have to do with anything?
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post #541 of 616
5/20/06 at 2:30am
I bet that line kills at the superherohype boards.
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post #542 of 616
5/20/06 at 3:36am
''The Rush Hour films are extremely effective commercial enterprises,'' says Rothman.

Oh goodie, that's how I always envisioned the third part of the X-Men trilogy: an effective commercial enterprise ...
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post #543 of 616
5/20/06 at 1:05pm
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Originally Posted by Riquolice Lizra
Excuse my grumpiness I was drunk and tired.

Ratner's an ass and I wish they'd waited for Singer and had a better script, etc, but it seems AICNs vendetta against this film makes me want it to succeed, and Singer's Superman to fail. I know I'm not alone in this, so hopefully Harry & Co's corrupt patronage has begun to be a kiss-of-death for a film.
That's really, really retarded. Far more retarded than AICN having a vendetta, be it real or imagined, against X3.
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post #544 of 616
5/20/06 at 1:17pm
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Originally Posted by Jexxon
''The Rush Hour films are extremely effective commercial enterprises,'' says Rothman.

Oh goodie, that's how I always envisioned the third part of the X-Men trilogy: an effective commercial enterprise ...
Well, to be fair, isn't that what a studio executive hopes every film is?
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post #545 of 616
5/20/06 at 1:29pm
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Originally Posted by HotGarbage
That would actually be a pretty funny outtake they should have put on the DVD...
I'm looking forward to any and all scenes involving Brett Ratner dressed up in his Wolverine Halloween costume.
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post #546 of 616
5/20/06 at 1:59pm
You'll probably want to take this up on the talkbacks on AICN. But please enjoy your childish games.
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post #547 of 616
5/20/06 at 2:03pm
X3 isn't an "underdog". It's a major studio picture, with hundreds of millions of dollars behind it, and is part of an enormous franchise. Just like Superman.
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post #548 of 616
5/20/06 at 2:43pm
And I have to seriously question the reasoning powers of someone who has more of a problem with the footage we've seen from Superman than the stuff we've seen from X3.
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post #549 of 616
5/20/06 at 2:51pm
Funny Brett Ratner story: When I was in college, Brett Ratnerwas going to come to speak after a screening of Red Dragon. Ratner was an alum of the place, and this was supposed to be his triumphant return, etc. A week before the screening, the film department was able to book Punch-Drunk Love with Adam Sandler and Paul Thomas Anderson speaking afterwards. They decided to bump Dragon until after the Punch-Drunk event was over. Apparently, Ratner got so pissed that he was being shafted for Paul Thomas Anderson--I guess he thought he was a filmmaker of equal caliber--that he refused to come to the screening, only to schmooze it up with the trustees a week later.

Even though I knew Ratner was an asshole from the special features on Rush Hour, that little bit of egomania still stands out as why the guy's a supreme douche.
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post #550 of 616
5/20/06 at 4:19pm
In every interview I see, Ratner always reminds me of an alternate Troy Duffy from some parallel dimension where he didn't piss off Harvey Weinstein and actually got to make more movies.
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