THE REAL WORLD: KEY WEST on MTV

I'm actually not very happy with the show this season. Paula? They need to get her into an eating disorder program asap. The RW is usually more proactive about problems. Ruthie went to an alcohol treatment program, I know they had cast members goto anger mgmt programs. Paula, who looks as though if she lost 10 pounds she would be in the hospital? Nothing.

Other castmates. Tyler? Hot, hot, hot. And funny too. Svetvana? Hot but super annoying. I would watch just for those two alone.

I'd be fucking pissed if Paula was my castmate. MTV had to know how serious her eating disorder was and its not fair for them to put someone who needs that much help in a houseful of 20-something spring breakers. I'm glad she agreed to get help, but man those first two eps of her just crying uncontrollably for no reason was unbearable to watch.

Between her and whiny Svetlana, the ladies on this show are seriously lacking. Tyler's pretty annoying himself. I loved how he said that Svetlana needed to really think about how she talked to people when he needed to heed his own advice. John(?) the frat boy can suck it as well, although I give him props for being "brave" enough to go to a gay bar. The only people I like right now are Julio, Jew-fro boy, and the black chick.

On a side note, I haven't watched the Real World in years. But as my mom lives on Key West, its kinda fun to seeing the town. And seeing how Katrina affects the community will be interesting as well.

I just want to see an uncut version with Svetlana swinging those juggs around. Other than that I can do without the mean fag. He's giving everyone his bullshit telling them that they need to learn how to deal with people. That dude needs to relax a little.

Remember this is MVT editing at work here. In Tyler's defense he stated (more than once) that he likes Svetlana, and he likes her personality 50% of the time. I think MTV is highlighting/editing his tough love speechs so all we see is "a mean, mean person." Can he learn some tact? Most definitely, but "telling it like it is" is a hallmark of kids in their 20s. He'll grow out of that in time (as will Svetlana become more secure of herself). Also, since Svetlana is such a hottie, the other guys won't say anything to her face. They don't want to screw up a chance of sleeping with her later. So Tyler is needed to stir up the pot with Svetlana.

John? I wouldn't give him props for being "brave" enough to enter a gay bar. I would if he had stayed longer than an hour. John's so edgy. He managed to step inside a gay bar. Whatever. I can't tell you how many times I have gone to straight bars with friends (and stay at them all night) and when I finally manage to get one of those friends to goto a gay bar with me the most we last in my bar of choice is an hour. Pussies. Insecure of their manhood.

The black chick? Did you watch the casting special? She's half white and half black. Then she stated that she only dates within her own race. Huh? She only dates half black/half white men? Or is she an equal opportunity dater? Other than that, I like her. She's a nice compliment to Tyler.

DOOM would like to put most of you in "The Real World: Latveria," but admits it would only be a ruse in order to execute you.

DOOM!

I know the editing tricks. But MTV can't show clips that you didn't tape. Tyler needs to be in control. When things don't go as planned he flips. He's not a bad guy, he just needs to relax a bit. And I'm sure Tyler doesn't hate Svetlana, but she definitely annoys him. There's no hiding that. She fucking annoys me and I don't live with her. It seeps through her every pore. She's a spoiled brat who needs to grow up and I can't imagine that will happen in the span of the show.

I was partially being sarcastic, although I do think its cool that he had no problem even stepping inside the bar. Most guys would have reacted like Svetlana did. And inside the club, he wasn't standing in the corner pouting, he was actually participating with the goings-on. I agree it wasn't cool that he tried to make everyone leave with him, but I do give him a little bit of credit for going, if only for doing something he didn't want to do just to please a friend (Tyler).

I'm biracial as well, but when people see me, they see a person of color. Calling her Black is not meant as a dig, just stating a fact. As far as America goes, "biracial" isn't a category on the census. If you aren't pure white, you are a person of color. We have a long way to go before people of mixed race are recognized in this country. Similarly, I took her saying she only dates within her race to mean within the Black community.

I'm not sure I would catergorize him as a control freak, but we'll see as the season progresses.

Perhaps I'm just jaded but I wouldn't even give him credit for stepping in the bar. If Tyler can go out and spend the entire night at the straight places there should be no reason why the other roommates can't do the same for him (not all the time, mind you). As far as participating goes, if you want to have fun in a bar you have to participate. Hell, I've been to strip clubs with straight friends and I participated. Should I get brownie points too?

It comes down to Tyler going to their clubs because he wanted to spend time with them, doing things they enjoyed. Not much of a friendship if that only goes one way. Granted, I'm being tad bit harsh considering that they haven't been together as a group very long but I would think merely putting one's toe in the water wouldn't be considered much of a stretch.



Oddly enough when I saw your pic posted on the boards, I never thought of you as black. I always thought you were biracial (even though I just now got that confirmation). Nor would I call her black either. But that's just me. Hearing her say that she would only date within her race came across as racist to me. Isn't that perpetuating (sp) the mixed race problem? By solely identifying with the Black community?

I don't think he is "controlling" her. Just calling a spade a spade. Like I said above, he definitely needs to learn tact but at least he's being honest with her. As compared to other cast members (see Julio's comments to Tyler in this weeks' episode).

I guess that's where you and I disagree then. If I had a friend of mine point out a bad personality trait to help me overcome it then I wouldn't call that controlling (lord knows I have had a few and I appreciated it when I realized that they were right). I would call it helpful.

Guess it depends on how long it took to get it through my head.

As to the house situation. How long would you wait until you approached someone about this problem? Granted (as said above) it could have been done more tactfully. Better to nip the problem in the bud now, than wait 2 months and have the entire cast jump down her throat all because they couldn't bring up the problem earlier. If I knew I was going to spend 4 or 5 months (or however long the shoot lasts) with that whiny Svetlana, I'd damn well confront her about it now, rather than later.

Living in NYC, I've been to many a gay club. But the fact remains, there are a lot of people (men and women) who haven't and wouldn't, even if asked by a friend. I'm not saying its right, but there is a certain stigma for straight men to overcome for them to go to a gay club. I don't congratulate John for breaking any boundries, but I do give him a little credit for not even batting an eye when asked to go and for participating. Many people who have never been to a gay club would feel intimidated and just hang out in the corner, taking it all in. From the clips we saw, John was right in the mix of things, getting spanked by a drag queen. That's pretty cool.

I'm not making excuses for John, or for society at large, but gay people (as well as people of color, and women, and anyone who is outside the "norm) have to assimilate to the straight, white world every day of their lives. It's not fair at all. But I do think its emotionally harder for straight men to go to a gay club than for a gay man to go to a straight club.

Agreed. However, like Janelle said, John's taking baby steps. Just put yourself in his shoes and really try to understand where he is coming from.

As a psych major, my thesis for both undergrad and graduate school was on this very issue. I wanted to understand how biracial individuals formed their racial identity. For the longest time, the school of thought was that the child must choose one race or the other. Then it switched to they must identify with both and essentially a new race, different from the other two. My research attempts to show that it doesn't matter how the individual identifies, as long as they choose to identify that way themselves and aren't forced into that label by parents, teachers, and society.

So far, racial self-esteem research has supported this. Studies found that biracial people identify as one of four races: 1)Black, 2)White, 3)Both races, or 4)Neither Race. Sometimes siblings from the same family will identify differently. My brother who looks white, identifies as white because that's how people have always treated him. While I was raised by a White mother, my skin color is darker than my mom or brothers', so I've had different racial experiences than they have and identify as biracial.

Personally, I think as a biracial person its wrong to deny one side of yourself. But if someone has explored all aspects of their identity and found that they connect with one race over the other, that's fine as long as its not done out of ignorance or hatred. Janelle saying she only dates within one race could be racist or it could be ignorance. For example, she had a really bad experience with one race and is generalizing that everyone within that race behaves like that. I wouldn't rush to judgment on her as she seems like a level headed person. However, anyone who cuts off an entire race like that definitely has some issues to work out.

Yeah, but he intentionally picks on her. There was one scene where he turned to Janelle and said something like "Watch this" and proceeded to say something that he knew would push Svetlana's buttons. She predictably flipped out and Tyler smiled this evil grin into the camera.

As stated above, I don't necessarily get the feeling Tyler is just helping out a friend. He gets a kick out of seeing svetlana squirm. Also, personalities don't cahnge over night. Constantly nagging someone about a trait they've had their whole life isn't helpful, its rude and annoying. Tyler needs someone to give him "tough love".

Tell you what, since we are the victims of MTV editing, I'll withhold any rash judgements on Janelle (especially since we really haven't seen much of her in action) and a final judgement on Tyler should also be held since we haven't seen any of his scenes with Sveltvana in context.

At the very least, I will say this current cast has us discussing the "Real World" moreso than recent casts.

It's sad when I long for the days of talking about anorexia. I dislike everyone on it, except for Julio (only because he's gotten so little screen time I know next to nothing about him). And enough with Svetlana and Tyler already, its growing tiresome and does not make for good TV. I fast forward through almost every episode.

I just want to see the Svetlana chick naked. But despite her looking really good, she's really annoying, the classic conundrum. Like someone else said, at least the Tyler guy's gayness allows him to tell her to get a grip. He's annoying too though. The other people are boring, the latin guy is a tool, I've seen enough of him to know that. I like how every real world cast follows the same casting standards: frat guy (John, MJ, Danny, Brad, Ace) other guy (jew fro, Landon, Wes, Randy, CT) the "other guy" is sometimes excitable sometimes boring, minority guy (Julio, Nehemiah, Karamo, Jaquise, Adam), hot white chick (Svet, Melinda, fake tits chick, Cameron, Mallory) minority chick (Janelle, Johanna, shavonda, asian girl from san diego, half asian fake tits from paris), crazy scandalous dork broad (Paula, pale looking chick from austin, mel from philly, frankie san diego) and then sometimes a gay guy (Tyler, Willie, etc).

So my idea for the next rw rr challenge is to have multiple teams where each team is comprised of each casting type. Who wouldn't want to see a two person wheelbarrow walk race followed by a puzzle competed between teams of Julio and Nehemiah, John and Ace, jew fro and landon, Tyler and Willie, Paula and the pale chick, Janelle and Johanna, and Svetlana and Melinda. Tell me that's not the greatest fucking idea you've ever heard.

So it's the silent treatment for DOOM! now. Heh.

RW goes to Denver
The mayor of Denver must have never seen the show.

Is this season worth catching up with? It looks so boring.

And it seems they are running out of places to go. I know the foreign places are usually bad but I think Australia might be a fun place to go. And to really fuck these kids up-Japan.

No.

Was RW: London the only season they did outside of the USA? I don't remember that season. Were there major problems for filiming?

not problems, just boring. Not speaking the language is a huge problem like the season in Paris.

I don't think there was a Latin America RW. RR yes.

this season does kind of blow.

The naked pool party was finally back to RW standards. I could do without Paula and her multitude of problems. Anorexia is hard enough to deal with, but now she's defending a guy who uses her as a punching bag. That woman needs to be put out of her misery.

Talk about a blow to the self esteem, that chick must have felt like shit when she got naked and the guy just left.

Yeah, but it was pretty funny. I'm always leary of someone who wants to jump into the sack minutes after meeting someone.

It's just weird having a RW cast member who actualy has some morals, I didn't think that was possible. And yeah, it was funny.

he should've at least gotten a poolside bj, then left.

So this Paula chick is anorexic, beaten by her boyfriend, and looks like Kevin Bacon! damn, they should do a simultaneous episode of Made for her within the show.

Don't forget that she's well liked by lesbians.

Heh. I never would have made the connection myself, but now that you mention it I can't stop seeing Kevin Bacon onscreen.

Probably never. Rita most likely destroyed it.

Yup. Think about how many people had to be evacuated.

Doesn't anyone else feel that this is the worst season since Real World Paris?

Jose and Janelle are boring/filler, Tyler is a carbon copy of Dan from Real World Miami, John is an all hype frat boy, Paula the rake is lame, and the "all american boy" zack needs to get socked in the face on occasion. The only one that really merits any "looking" at is Svetlana.

I agree with everything you just said right there. The possibility of Svetlana shedding clothing is the only reason I still dvr the show anymore. WHat were they thinking when they cast Jose, Zach, and Janelle, let's get three of the most boring people we can find this season.

Glad I missed it then. What happened (or didn't happen)?

Almost homophobic John made some bad comments in front of Tyler and Tyler threw his drink all over John. John threw his drink on Tyler. Tyler left the bar. Tyler gets to the hotel and has a heart to heart talk with Jose and Moppish Hair Jew Boy about mean John and his hurtful comments. Later Tyler and Almost Homophobic John make up. Hugs, Hugs, hugs.

On the Crazy Thin Bitch storyline, John and Paula have a heart to heart and make up.

We see Janelle for about 20 seconds. What's up with that anyway?

I will say if John had made comments like he did to Tyler, to me? I probably would have done more than just throw a drink in his face. Speaking of which, the comment that got me (when Tyler had started flirting with another guy at the bar) was something along the lines of "Look Tyler got himself a girl." Or something similar. Then again, I would have made it clear from the first instance that gay cracks every 10 seconds in the bar is pushing the boundaries.

The last two episodes have mirrored each other. Paula/John get into a fight at a bar, roommates take a side, kiss and make up.

Tyler/John get into a fight at a bar, roommates take a side, make up.

It's horrible. Now the next episode Zach brings a piece of tail to the house, wait a minute? didn't john do the same thing like 3 or 4 episodes ago.

Again, horrible season so far.