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Lil' rock throwin' Iraqi insurgents.

post #1 of 17
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I was chuckling at this video from Iraq, little kids hurling stones at a US truck convoy. Pretty good arms on 'em, they bust some (I guess not bullet-proof) windshields. The guy filming complains that he can't use deadly force? Hey pal, be glad those aren't RPG 7s coming at you.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4xusLoRf39s
post #2 of 17
How nice! An American soldier who wants to shoot at kids. Tell me, guys, how many of you realize that this is what the world sees when they look at the US? You've got great representatives. Of course, most Americans aren't like this, but this is what the world sees and it's getting worse.
I do believe that a shitload (even most) of the people in your military tend to be arrogant jerks, though. The military guys I've encountered online are total assholes. They don't know any history, they want to shoot anything and everything and insult every other culture.
I live in a small Canadian town right on the border with Maine. There used to be a major Air Force base close by, and you wouldn't believe the trouble the flyboys would cause in my hometown. Outright crimes. Two black guys were arrested by my father after shoplifting CDs from a local shop and shooting up stopsigns with a handgun. He almost felt sorry for them when the MPs picked them up at the border. He says they got beat up a bit right on the spot.
I guess when you give guns and a uniform to some shit that chose the military instead of heading to prison, that's what you get...

SP
post #3 of 17
I fail to see the humor.
post #4 of 17
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette
I fail to see the humor.
Yup.
post #5 of 17
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Originally Posted by SneakyPete
How nice! An American soldier who wants to shoot at kids. Tell me, guys, how many of you realize that this is what the world sees when they look at the US? You've got great representatives. Of course, most Americans aren't like this, but this is what the world sees and it's getting worse.
I do believe that a shitload (even most) of the people in your military tend to be arrogant jerks, though. The military guys I've encountered online are total assholes. They don't know any history, they want to shoot anything and everything and insult every other culture.
I live in a small Canadian town right on the border with Maine. There used to be a major Air Force base close by, and you wouldn't believe the trouble the flyboys would cause in my hometown. Outright crimes. Two black guys were arrested by my father after shoplifting CDs from a local shop and shooting up stopsigns with a handgun. He almost felt sorry for them when the MPs picked them up at the border. He says they got beat up a bit right on the spot.
I guess when you give guns and a uniform to some shit that chose the military instead of heading to prison, that's what you get...
SP
While I'm sorry for your experience, not every american solider acts like that.
post #6 of 17
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Originally Posted by Peter Venkman
While I'm sorry for your experience, not every american solider acts like that.
For the most part I agree with you.

However, Brits in the military certainly don't think highly of the people in the US military. One of my friends (who's in the Royal Navy) thinks that the enlisted men/women in the US Navy are undisciplined, drug taking, uneducated, trigger-happy cowboys. He generally thought the officers were lacking in historical understanding and were a bit on the cowboy side as well. And that is from his own experience in dealing with people in the US Navy. Of course the Brits always think a little too highly about their own military, but I figure there is probably a little truth to what he says.
post #7 of 17
What do people expect of a military whose recruitment almost solely targets people with no other options in life?
post #8 of 17
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Wow this has started to become some thread about how bad US troops are. Look some of them are uneducated clods, some of them are well trained and professional. I guess they give the shit jobs, like trucking and prisoner watching, to the dumb clods. I don't think, by the way, that the soldier in the video was being 100% serious about shooting the kids. He was just frustrated, that's all. From his perspective, he's over there to help those kids, and they're throwing rocks at him. But if you watch the video, they are mostly joking around. They seemed to have a sense of humor about it, at least a little bit.

Guess I was the only one who thought it funny. I have two other thoughts about the video, not that you care. 1. MLB should send some recruiters to Iraq; could be a new pitching resource. 2. I'm glad to see the Army has finally added Vietnam-era style gun trucks to the convoys. Probably the reason RPG attacks have lessened of late (but also IEDs have worked too well). Now if they would only dust off some of those M113 APCs they have stored and replace those goddamn hummers with real armor...
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette
What do people expect of a military whose recruitment almost solely targets people with no other options in life?
I tend to agree a bit with that, but even the officer ranks can display this arrogance. Like said above, it's worthless to judge all of the US military force by the smaller amount of jackass in it. They experience stuff we don't. The image the rest of the world retain is usually the not-so-good side, putting behind all the real effort and showing the blunders.
post #10 of 17
I don't hate the military, I just find their recruitment tactics to be almost sinister.
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by Hot Black
I was chuckling at this video from Iraq, little kids hurling stones at a US truck convoy. Pretty good arms on 'em, they bust some (I guess not bullet-proof) windshields. The guy filming complains that he can't use deadly force? Hey pal, be glad those aren't RPG 7s coming at you.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=4xusLoRf39s
There's your answer. Bullet-proof? Maybe. Rock-proof? Most certainly not.
post #12 of 17

I was surprised...

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Originally Posted by Hot Black
2. I'm glad to see the Army has finally added Vietnam-era style gun trucks to the convoys. Probably the reason RPG attacks have lessened of late (but also IEDs have worked too well). Now if they would only dust off some of those M113 APCs they have stored and replace those goddamn hummers with real armor...
Actually, that was the thing that struck me from the video (apart from sheer frustation being demonstrated - on both sides) was the shittyness of the equipment.

No bullet-proof glass on vehicles (let alone rock proof)? No wonder casualty rates are so high. I thought our (the Canadian) military was poorly equipped. Now I'm not so sure.
post #13 of 17
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Originally Posted by Mary H.
For the most part I agree with you.

However, Brits in the military certainly don't think highly of the people in the US military. One of my friends (who's in the Royal Navy) thinks that the enlisted men/women in the US Navy are undisciplined, drug taking, uneducated, trigger-happy cowboys. He generally thought the officers were lacking in historical understanding and were a bit on the cowboy side as well. And that is from his own experience in dealing with people in the US Navy. Of course the Brits always think a little too highly about their own military, but I figure there is probably a little truth to what he says.
That is true, I guess the only contact I do have with people that are in the military is that my future brother in law went to West Point, and from what I hear the men under his command arnt too bright most of the time.
post #14 of 17
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Originally Posted by Catboreal
Actually, that was the thing that struck me from the video (apart from sheer frustation being demonstrated - on both sides) was the shittyness of the equipment.
No bullet-proof glass on vehicles (let alone rock proof)? No wonder casualty rates are so high. I thought our (the Canadian) military was poorly equipped. Now I'm not so sure.
Well the things are full of gas you know. Armor may not help all that much, except to turn the cab into an easy-bake oven. What these convoys rely on is speed and an escort that can cover them with lots of firepower, but is also fast enough to catch back up with the convoy (that's why armored vehicles are no good as escorts). Many of our casualties are from troops in hummers. They use hummers on slow patrols in city zones where they're easy targets. The hummers have little or no armor (adding too much armor over-taxes the powertrain) and have no good places to fire from. The troops literally have to stick their arms out the windows to fire, exposing themselves badly.

It has been noted by several military experts that the M113 APC would be much better suited for these kinds of duty. It has good armor, it's tracked (so it can turn in place), and it has three hatches on top so three guys can cover front, back, and sides and duck back down under heavy fire. Woosh, now you know more than you wanted to.
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by Catboreal
No wonder casualty rates are so high. I thought our (the Canadian) military was poorly equipped. Now I'm not so sure.
Yup, the Canadian army is ill-equiped. But I have several friends in there and the reputation of the Canadians as soldier is not the shit-fest people expect. On the opposite actually.

Most major armies operate under a selected doctrine. Canadians train under chaos. That's why it works.
post #16 of 17
The Canadian army is pretty well trained. The Air Force has what's considered some of the best training in the world. It was second only to the Israelis for awhile.

CNN reported that the 2 Canadians and the British hostages were freed by Coalition commandos, while the CBC said it was Canada's Joint Task Force 2 and British commandos. Funny how things are slanted in the news, eh? Good job, though...

SP
post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by SneakyPete
How nice! An American soldier who wants to shoot at kids. Tell me, guys, how many of you realize that this is what the world sees when they look at the US? You've got great representatives. Of course, most Americans aren't like this, but this is what the world sees and it's getting worse.
I do believe that a shitload (even most) of the people in your military tend to be arrogant jerks, though. The military guys I've encountered online are total assholes. They don't know any history, they want to shoot anything and everything and insult every other culture.
I live in a small Canadian town right on the border with Maine. There used to be a major Air Force base close by, and you wouldn't believe the trouble the flyboys would cause in my hometown. Outright crimes. Two black guys were arrested by my father after shoplifting CDs from a local shop and shooting up stopsigns with a handgun. He almost felt sorry for them when the MPs picked them up at the border. He says they got beat up a bit right on the spot.
I guess when you give guns and a uniform to some shit that chose the military instead of heading to prison, that's what you get...

SP

Obviously your friend has never watched JAG.
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