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post #1 of 30
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I know the man gets a shitload of hate on here but:

http://www.tor.com/jordan/

Important note from Robert Jordan: March 25, 2006,

I have been diagnosed with amyloidosis. That is a rare blood disease which affects only 8 people out of a million each year, and those 8 per million are divided among 22 distinct forms of amyloidosis. They are distinct enough that while some have no treatment at all, for the others, the treatment that works on one will have no effect whatsoever on any of the rest. An amyloid is a misshapen or misfolded protein that can be produced by various parts of the body and which may deposit in other parts of the body (nerves or organs) with varying effects. (As a small oddity, amyloids are associated with a wide list of diseases ranging from carpal tunnel syndrome to Alzheimer's. There's no current evidence of cause and effect, and none of these is considered any form of amyloidosis, but the amyloids are always there. So it is entirely possible that research on amyloids may one day lead to cures for Alzheimer's and the Lord knows what else. I've offered to be a literary poster boy for the Mayo Amyloidosis Program, and the May PR Department, at least, seems very interested. Plus, I've discovered a number of fans in various positions at the clinic, so maybe they'll help out.)

Now in my case, what I have is primary amyloidosis with cardiomyapathy. That means that some (only about 5% at present) of my bone marrow is producing amyloids which are depositing in the wall of my heart, causing it to thicken and stiffen. Untreated, it would eventually make my heart unable to function any longer and I would have a median life expectancy of one year from diagnosis. Fortunately, I am set up for treatment, which expands my median life expectancy to four years. This does NOT mean I have four years to live. For those who've forgotten their freshman or pre-freshman (high school or junior high) math, a median means half the numbers fall above that value and half fall below. It is NOT an average.

In any case, I intend to live considerably longer than that. Everybody knows or has heard of someone who was told they had five years to live, only that was twenty years ago and here they guy is, still around and kicking. I mean to beat him. I sat down and figured out how long it would take me to write all of the books I currently have in mind, without adding anything new and without trying rush anything. The figure I came up with was thirty years. Now, I'm fifty-seven, so anyone my age hoping for another thirty years is asking for a fair bit, but I don't care. That is my minimum goal. I am going to finish those books, all of them, and that is that.

My treatment starts in about 2 weeks at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, where they have seen and treated more cases like mine than anywhere else in the US. Basically, it boils down to this. They will harvest a good quantity of my bone marrow stem cells from my blood. These aren't the stem cells that have Bush and Cheney in a swivet; they can only grow into bone marrow, and only into my bone marrow at that. Then will follow two days of intense chemotherapy to kill off all of my bone marrow, since there is no way at present to target just the misbehaving 5%. Once this is done, they will re-implant my bmsc to begin rebuilding my bone marrow and immune system, which will of course go south with the bone marrow. Depending on how long it takes me to recuperate sufficiently, 6 to 8 weeks after checking in, I can come home. I will have a fifty-fifty chance of some good result (25% chance of remission; 25% chance of some reduction in amyloid production), a 35-40% chance of no result, and a 10-15% chance of fatality. Believe me, that's a Hell of a lot better than staring down the barrel of a one-year median. If I get less than full remission, my doctor already, she says, has several therapies in mind, though I suspect we will heading into experimental territory. If that is where this takes me, however, so be it. I have thirty more years worth of books to write even if I can keep from thinking of any more, and I don't intend to let this thing get in my way.

- Robert Jordan
post #2 of 30
Sucks for him and his fans, but anyone who says they need THIRTY more years to finish a wanky, badly-written fantasy saga kind of deserves to die a lot.
post #3 of 30
All I have to say is I'm glad I quit reading those books. Although in all fairness I have to say I hope he does get through this illness.
post #4 of 30
Thank God I took Sir Helix' advice and didn't bother with this series.
post #5 of 30
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Originally Posted by Slater
Sucks for him and his fans, but anyone who says they need THIRTY more years to finish a wanky, badly-written fantasy saga kind of deserves to die a lot.
Actually, Jordan maintains that there's only one book left in the series he's currently working on. The thirty year time frame he's talking about is for all the book ideas he currently planned on writing.

At the risk of being morbid though, when I was only a few books into the series, I used to think about this a lot.
post #6 of 30
Somebody call Brian Herbert, he can't milk Dune forever.
post #7 of 30
My wife has said all along "I hope he doesn't die before he finishes the series."

The clock is ticking Bob. Get to work!
post #8 of 30
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
Somebody call Brian Herbert, he can't milk Dune forever.
Oh yes he can. And it's gonna get worst every single time.

Dune 7 and 8 are coming.....
post #9 of 30
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Originally Posted by Winterfell
Oh yes he can. And it's gonna get worst every single time.

Dune 7 and 8 are coming.....
But at least those are somewhat based on outlines left behind by his father....

Oh whatever, you're right, we're doomed.
post #10 of 30
Be careful what you wish for. Everybody harrassed Stephen King about finishing The Dark Tower, and look how that turned out.
post #11 of 30
at least the last book was pretty good over the crap that was his tenth book. i'll be happy if he finishes his wheel of time series. here's to his good health.
post #12 of 30
I with the guy well, but he tugged on one braid to many to keep me interested in his series.
post #13 of 30
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Originally Posted by Nigel St. Buggering
Be careful what you wish for. Everybody harrassed Stephen King about finishing The Dark Tower, and look how that turned out.

That's true - some people create their best work when they're under pressure.

Sorry, Nigel. Couldn't resist. I will defend the Dark Tower books until I'm filling my Man-Nappy at my grandkids Christmas dinner table
post #14 of 30
So the new book is out. Yes, I am a sucker and bought it (only paid $15). Brandon acknowledges the braid tugging and then corrects it. Only 70 or so pages into the book. Not horrible.
post #15 of 30
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Originally Posted by Martin Savage View Post
Oh yes he can. And it's gonna get worst every single time.

Dune 7 and 8 are coming.....
Just wanted to quote this because of how true it's proven to be.
post #16 of 30
Thought it was by far the best book since Lord of Chaos. I suspect Jordan wrote most of the beginning, as quite a bit of it sucks. It picks up about the 1/3rd point and I couldn't put it down after that.

So many plot threads are tied up it's fairly boggling that Sanderson did it so deftly.
post #17 of 30
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
Just wanted to quote this because of how true it's proven to be.
See, I didn't even read these books yet. That how bad these sequels were. I just heard nearly all the characters, including Paul and the gang, came back as gholas. And that the AI that Herbert Jr. introduced in his Butlrian Jihad series is the Hidden Enemy (that was kida obvious...). I don't even think I'll waste time with that.

I hear that Sanderson did a great job with the books. I don't think it's up with the greats, like Erikson,, Bakker and George RR Martin, but Jordan wasn't Terry Goodkind either, so glad his work will be well capped.
post #18 of 30
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Originally Posted by Overlord View Post
Thought it was by far the best book since Lord of Chaos. I suspect Jordan wrote most of the beginning, as quite a bit of it sucks. It picks up about the 1/3rd point and I couldn't put it down after that.

So many plot threads are tied up it's fairly boggling that Sanderson did it so deftly.
Holy shit. Agreed that Jordan probably wrote the beginning (although I can see where Sanderson played with it a bit). Spoilers: Elaida's confrontation with Egwene in front of the Sitters? I think marks when Sanderson took full control.

Nice to have a sense of urgency to the series. Definitely worth picking this series back up. Pissed that I'm in month end and can't devote more time to finishing this book.
post #19 of 30
Former WoT readers, this is definitely the book you have been waiting for. Sanderson delivers.
post #20 of 30
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Originally Posted by HBarr View Post
Former WoT readers, this is definitely the book you have been waiting for. Sanderson delivers.
So, Tarmon Gaidon finally happens? I gave up after book 8 with characters still randomly wandering about the countryside, and even more useless characters added. Wake me when the book is released with the final battle that Jordan teased for (literally) 8000 pages.
post #21 of 30
I stopped reading around Winter's Heart. Am I okay reading summaries of the later Jordan books and then diving into this one?
post #22 of 30
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Originally Posted by Chris Miller View Post
So, Tarmon Gaidon finally happens?
Yes and no.

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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson View Post
I stopped reading around Winter's Heart. Am I okay reading summaries of the later Jordan books and then diving into this one?
Yes. I usually re-read the last 2 before starting a new one and didn't this time. Had no issues diving in (and that's with things being a little fuzzy).
post #23 of 30
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Originally Posted by Overlord View Post
Thought it was by far the best book since Lord of Chaos.
And finished. Agree 100% with Overlord. I'm actually impatient for the next. I hope Sanderson can keep to his schedule (1 a year).
post #24 of 30
You mean it's not over? How many more until it's over?
post #25 of 30
Sanderson has managed a book per year since 2005, and had a couple of years with two titles released. I don't think he's a threat to veer into George R.R. Martin territory.
post #26 of 30
Seriously though, this book series has been talking about how it's going to end since book 1. Jordan originally intended it as a trilogy. How long until it's done? Because, at this point, I'm pretty sure I'm going to wait until that book comes out, read the last two chapters, tug my braid, and call it a day.
post #27 of 30
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Originally Posted by Chris Miller View Post
You mean it's not over? How many more until it's over?
2. Sanderson looked at the outline and realized he couldn't possibly do it in 1, so he split it into 3. Honestly, I am VERY pleased with what he did in this first book. I have zero complaints. Things that should have happened long ago have been taken care of and he's successfully pulled Rand, Mat and Perrin back into the same timeline (along with everyone else).
post #28 of 30
That should tell you some things I missed, I didn't know they were in different timelines. I just gave up when Jordan decided he would give them each a normal novel's size of a subplot in every book.
post #29 of 30
Yeah, Jordan skipped forward and back with the three. This book got everything on track and everyone where they needed to be (along with everyone becoming who they needed to be). Not only that but Sanderson accomplished it very satisfactorily. This is what WoT was supposed to be (seriously).
post #30 of 30
All the timelines are so fucked with this series.

Perrin shows up with Galad/Whitecloaks in one of Rand's color-swirl, ta'veren moments in this book. Which is just a crazy tease. At least Faile took care of Perrin's Masema business. The timelines aren't matched up, but they're back on track thankfully.

I thought Sanderson did a damn good job.
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