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The Ultimate Fighter Season 3 (UFC)

post #1 of 87
4/3/06 at 3:20pm
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The new season of The Ultimate Fighter kicks off Thursday, April 6 on Spike TV. From what I hear, the fighters they've brought in from the UK are the real deal. It should be a good season if they keep the Tito-Shamrock crap to a minimum. I want to see up-and-coming fighters, not two media whore coaches who will never challenge for a title again in their careers making the show all about themselves.

FYI, we still have general MMA discussion going on in this thread.
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post #2 of 87
4/3/06 at 3:27pm
I'm looking forward to it, although I find the concept somewhat suspect, since you can get into the UFC through regional boughts anyway (although not a guaranteed payday). Still, any excuse to see more MMA fights, I'm for.

They're definitely going to play up the Tito/Shamrock conflict, but who really cares anymore? I've caught Shamrock on a few Pride fight repeats, and he keeps getting his ass handed to him. 42 is just not a competitive age bracket.
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post #3 of 87
4/3/06 at 5:45pm
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Yeah, even though I find myself doing it all the time, it's tough to complain about free MMA on cable. While it's true that a lot of these guys would probably find their way in to the UFC through small organizations (especially the Cage Rage guys in England), TUF has been a way for the UFC to build new stars. Guys like Leben, Bonnar, Forrest, Diego, etc... are stars because of the exposure they get. Hell, Bonnar is headlining Ulitimate Fight Night after just 2 official UFC bouts. Griffin is headling UFC 59. That's what the UFC is trying to get out of TUF 3. Of course, that won't happen if the entire focus is on Tito and Shamrock.
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post #4 of 87
4/3/06 at 7:28pm
I was taking some down time this past Sunday, and caught all of UFC 2. Very compelling stuff, I thought. Thanks for the update on this, I'll definately be looking forward to the new season this Thursday.
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post #5 of 87
4/6/06 at 2:25pm
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Tonight's the night. It's going to be interesting to see if they have a bunch of quitters like they did last season. One guy drops out because he couldn't cut another 2 pounds. Another guy quits because he says he doesn't like the cameras (The real story is that he couldn't take the workouts with skilled heavyweights). Another guy blows out his good knee during the first few days. Winner of the first fight gets a broken arm. After that, we got a lot of fights that were boring lay-and-pray decisions. I guess they can't do much worse than that.

One guy to keep your eye on is Michael Bisping. Like Diego Sanchez and Joe Stevenson were clear Seasons 1 and 2 favorites going in, this guy is considered by most to be the class of the 205's this season.

Also, don't forget we get a couple of hours of free MMA with Ultimate Fight Night 4 starting at 8:00 Eastern tonight.
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post #6 of 87
4/7/06 at 10:41am
Wow, even I could see that guy that lost didn't know what the hell he was doing on the ground. You have your back to the guy, and you just lay there? Durh. The redheaded guy is cracking me up, though. "I'm ready to fight right now. I think I'll go take a nap."

And I like the new rules about how everyone fights, and there's an extra $5000 incentive for a knockout or submission.

Man, everyone (including his own team) just hates Shamrock, don't they?
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post #7 of 87
4/7/06 at 12:43pm
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Shamrock, who according to the poster they kept showing "sees dead people," doesn't look like much of a coach. I'm trying to remember the last good fighter to come out of his Lion's Den. He said last night that he doesn't really know jiu-jitsu. And instead of bringing a jiu-jitsu coach with him he brings a nutritionist? Tito's guys, on the other hand, have Dean Lister to roll with. I guess with the way they edit the show, they are setting up a contrast in coaching styles. Tito is their friend and peer. Shamrock is their boss. To be honest with you, as short of a time as they are there, I don't know how much the coaches' training will really matter. It's not like the Season 1 guys all came out with Chuck's looping power punches or Couture's amazing takedowns.

I like the new format, though, where they have scrapped the challenges. Now it's just training and fighting and everyone has to fight. I'm loving the British guys and that redheaded kid. It's going to be interesting also to see the deaf guy fight. Will Tito even bother yelling out instructions?
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post #8 of 87
4/7/06 at 6:32pm
Yeah, Shamrock seems like a douche but in the short amount of time these guys are here, or at least for the timebeing, I doubt not training in jj will be a big deal. Did like Tito's coaching style and seemed like a likeable guy. Anyway, like last year, it all depends on who shows up and who shrinks under the lights, skills be damned. That said, the kid last night who lost was absolutely clueless.
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post #9 of 87
4/8/06 at 6:18am
due to some tivo problems, all I saw was the fight at the end, I always like to see a guy with penciled in eyebrows get his ass kicked. But just from the commentary during the fight Tito seemed like a good coach with a bad student. I think these guys can pick some things up from the coaches. In season 1 Chuck gave a guy great advice (forget who) ab out throwing a right cross everytime over the other guys left jab and the guy landed a bomb immediately like it was some kind of magic trick.
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post #10 of 87
4/8/06 at 12:20pm
I don't mean they can't pick stuff up but given the time constraints, especially at the beginning of the show, and limited exposure to certain MMA styles, most of these guys are better served learning to defend against something their opponents are proficient at as opposed to trying to learn arm bars, etc. If I don't know squat about bjj or grappling and I have to fight, I want to know how to defend against it and not waste my time trying to learn submissions that take years to master.
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post #11 of 87
4/13/06 at 12:26pm
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New episode tonight. Two of the LHWs will be fighting.
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post #12 of 87
4/21/06 at 12:49pm
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Ross Pointon was 4-6? And that's fighting on smaller shows. How the hell do you get a shot at the big time with a 4-6 record? I guess one of his losses was to Michael Bisping at LHW, but still. He looked completely overmatched against Kendall. When you are a brawler with no ground game giving up 9 or 10 inches in height and 7 or 8 inches in reach, you are in trouble. Ross had the right idea to start with leg kicks, but he had to close the distance to do any real damage. Kendall was good with his takedowns and elbows. Ross did a decent job using the fence to stand up, but stupidly gave his back to Kendall repeatedly, despite Ken screaming over and over "Don't give him your back!" and "Turn into him!" I guess Ross just wasn't that good.

I'm still looking forward to seeing Bisping, Tait, and the deaf guy Matt fight. I just looked up Matt Hamill's record on Sherdog.com and I can't find anything. Apparently, this guy's never fought professionally before. That's not a good sign.
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post #13 of 87
4/22/06 at 7:35am
I also want to see that red headed smack talker fight too, Tito said he'd pick him last just to piss him off though. And the brother who's missing half of his teeth should be an entertaining spectacle in the octagon. I like how Bisping is pissed about the deaf guy getting too much attention from Tito, apparently he blows up about it next ep. The look on Calib Starnes' face at all times is bothersome. That sawed off british guy was a joke, he defended a choke worse than some dude in the first round of ufc 1. When I saw the 4-6 record I was also astonished, how the hell did he get on the show? apparently he lost to Fedor, Crocop, Arlovski, Liddel, Couture and Royce Gracie. Who were the 4 guys he beat? extras from Snatch? THe bst part of that last episode was when Shamrock and his roided out posse strolled by Tito like Travolta in Stayin Alive and Tito stonewalled him and then said he didn't give autographs to kids.
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post #14 of 87
4/28/06 at 11:03am
Last night's episode had to be one of the goriest that I have ever seen on the show. (It's hard to be Forest's finale fight from season 1)
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post #15 of 87
4/28/06 at 11:14am
Nobody has impressed me yet. Everyone who has fought so far looks like they would get their ass handed to them by anyone who has lost in an actual UFC fight.

And Shamrock appears to know next to nothing about UFC training. Not sure if that's creative editing, possibly to explain why his fighters keep losing.
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post #16 of 87
4/30/06 at 7:19pm
I don't like any of the fighters on Shamrock's team. I especially hate Tait and the redhead kid.

I'm starting to like Tito more and more after watching him with his team.

It sounds like TUF Season 4 will be with established UFC fighters, trying to win a title shot. Can't wait to see who they pick. Filming is to start this week.
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post #17 of 87
5/1/06 at 8:16am
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Originally Posted by Del Griffith
I'm starting to like Tito more and more after watching him with his team.
I definitely agree with that. I thought Tito would be the problem, mostly from his UFC reputation, but this series has really put him in a new light. He seems like a great couch, with a good future of transitioning to that career after his fighting days are behind him

Shamrock always seemed like a jack-ass, and this series has just confirmed it.
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post #18 of 87
5/5/06 at 11:25am
I hate smack talking, so I really enjoyed last night's outcome.
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post #19 of 87
5/5/06 at 2:49pm
I feel sorry for the guys on Shamrock's team. What a shitty coach...
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post #20 of 87
5/5/06 at 3:37pm
Yeah, he's awful. No wonder none of the "Lion's Den" guys ever do anything. He's coaching them like you coach a company softball team, but with more 'roids. He sits there and tries to pep talk, then says, "Ok, you guys go work out, and maybe I'll critique you. Now, let's watch some film of my favorite fighter--me."
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post #21 of 87
5/5/06 at 8:07pm
I agree, I hate smack talkers. I love it when they lose.

I thought Rory had several opportunities to go for an arm bar or other submissions, but just didn't go for them. Glad to see him come out in the second round and go for a high kick like his coach (Tito) said.

Sorry to see that Tito isn't going to fight Shamrock again, although the Forrest v Ken fight should be great.
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post #22 of 87
5/5/06 at 8:36pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Martianman
Yeah, he's awful. No wonder none of the "Lion's Den" guys ever do anything. He's coaching them like you coach a company softball team, but with more 'roids. He sits there and tries to pep talk, then says, "Ok, you guys go work out, and maybe I'll critique you. Now, let's watch some film of my favorite fighter--me."
When Ken was standing there with a big grin while making his team watch his fights, did anyone else get an Uncle Rico vibe from him? "If only I could go back to 1993. I would've taken UFC 1."
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post #23 of 87
5/6/06 at 10:04am
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Originally Posted by Del Griffith
Sorry to see that Tito isn't going to fight Shamrock again, although the Forrest v Ken fight should be great.
Wait ammminute... DId I miss something? I thought there was going to be a Tito/Shamrock rematch. Is that off?
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post #24 of 87
5/6/06 at 2:26pm
Yeah, I've heard that Tito is hurt and Forrest Griffith is stepping in to fight Shamrock.

A shame really, it would have been a good rematch, although I think Tito would have beat him again.

If Forrest beats Ken, it could skyrocket his career like it did Rich Franklin's when he beat Shamrock in the first Ulitimate Fight Night, Season 1.
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post #25 of 87
5/10/06 at 11:28am
I think the Shamrock and Tito fight is still supposed to go down but at a later date; my guess is this coming fall/winter after both fighters get some time off. I'm sure that pisses Dana right off because it was a great tool for the series.

Shamrock is such a douche. His team wants nothing to do with him.
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post #26 of 87
5/10/06 at 11:49am
The greatest part of that fight was Solomon after the fight:

"What happened?
"You got kicked in the head."
"Who won?"
"Rory."
"Damn."

I thought his eyes were going to pop out of his head when he sat back up. Ass.

And yeah, Tito said his rotator cuff(?) was torn all through the filming of UF3, so they put off his fight with Shamrock and put Forrest in his place. And I also predict that Forrest will beat the shit out of Shamrock, much like Tito will also do.
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post #27 of 87
5/10/06 at 12:38pm
Ken's washed up, and he's a dumbass. Speaking of dumbasses I'm glad that Soloman douchebag lost too, a classic case of a guy who talks a big game to make up for his inadequacies. Team Dagger? what a fucking dork. He was still trying to talk about team dagger after he got knocked out, people with audacity like that are amazing to me, as if anyone gave a fuck about team dagger in the first place but now that you got knocked the fuck out by some quiet, friendly, jewish guy who is a nurse after talking all kinds of shit, yet you still expect people to care about team dagger? wow.
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post #28 of 87
5/10/06 at 1:20pm
As someone involved in a martial arts for a very long time, this adage has always held true: Never worry about the guy talking smack. Always worry about the guy who doesn't say a word.

Notable exception goes to Ali in his hey-day.
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post #29 of 87
5/11/06 at 7:51pm
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Originally Posted by Death Surge
As someone involved in a martial arts for a very long time, this adage has always held true: Never worry about the guy talking smack. Always worry about the guy who doesn't say a word.

Notable exception goes to Ali in his hey-day.
That's true. Look at Luke Cuomo from last season. Everyone thought he was a quiet weirdo who liked comic books, but he made it all the way to the finals!
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post #30 of 87
5/12/06 at 3:06am
Tonight's ep was a pile of shit. No fight just because that pussy quit?! Nobody's watching this show for the reality show crap. The audience for this show wants blood not tears. Noah has pretty much ended any chance at an MMA career at this point. Who's gonna give a guy like that a chance now? What training camp would want him? Who'd want to promote him? What a dumbass.
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post #31 of 87
5/12/06 at 10:26am
Yeah, it was disappointing, but you could tell about 15 minutes before the show ended that there would be no fight. And call this a "spoiler" if you like, but if you check the time left in the show when they begin the fight build-up, you can tell about how long the fight will be. Last night, they didn't resolve the Noah thing until about 10:50, so I figured there would be no fight. But, I think as a resolution, they may have two fights next week, as I gathered from the preview that the next fight would start off the episode.

And man, what a punkout by Noah. I felt kind of bad for Matt, but I can understand. The first time I got popped really good in boxing, I was mad for like a week. Then I got over it and went on with the training. But he's a wrestler, etc., whereas I've only done martial arts before I started training in boxing, and I never competed in tournaments, etc., so I'd never been hit before. You'd think Matt would've gotten rocked here and there and would've known how to deal with it.
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post #32 of 87
5/19/06 at 8:16am
Boo. That fight should've gone to a 3rd round. Josh had a couple of good shots, but he did nothing to win both rounds of that fight. He got suckered into that triangle choke at the end, after Tait fell down. I thought it was obviously a trap to get him down on the ground, as Tait took harder shots than that throughout the fight and didn't drop.
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post #33 of 87
5/19/06 at 11:24am
Disappointing decision. I don't see how Josh could win that fight on decision, I didn't see any way that thhe judges could give him both rounds. Tait was the only one I thought could possibly get the decision. I felt he handled what good punches Josh landed. And Tait certainly controlled the pace of the fight. He was aggressive in his own way, putting Josh in danger on many occasions. Really, the fight should have had a third round, that should have been the worst case outcome for Tait - he shouldn't have lost on the scorecards.
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post #34 of 87
5/19/06 at 11:57am
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Definitely should have gone to a third round. I guess Tait getting dropped was the difference. Even if he was playing possum, you can't do that in a close fight unless you are sure that it will lead to you ending the fight quickly. This fight was so close that the judges were looking for anything that would distinguish the two fighters' performances. Making it look like you got knocked on your ass late in the second round after what looked like a pretty decent shot is not the way to get the judging to go in your favor.

I'm looking forward to next week, though. Ed Herman finally getting in the octogan should be pretty good. Also, I want to see if Matt is the real deal the following week.
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post #35 of 87
5/22/06 at 11:08am
Finally had a chance to watch this this weekend. I'll sorta join the should have been 3rd round chorus as well, but regardless, both guys shot their loads way too early. They both looked spent by the end of the first round, and there wasn't anything impressive from either fighter.

Considering the sheer number of times Tait was handed a fucking Arm bar oppurtunity and failed to capitalize on it guaranteed his lost on my score card, and apparently the judges as well. He had a better second round though, so a third was semi-justified.

Someone show me something worth PPViewing an event for already!
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post #36 of 87
5/22/06 at 11:17am
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Originally Posted by jonvoight's car
I'm looking forward to next week, though. Ed Herman finally getting in the octogan should be pretty good. Also, I want to see if Matt is the real deal the following week.
Very much agreed. I loved seing Solomon (sp?) getting his ass handed to hmi after all of his "Team Dagger" nonsense, so I can't wait to see Ed fight.

..and of course, seeing Matt in action after him getting so much love from Tito should be good.
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post #37 of 87
5/22/06 at 6:40pm
I didn't know Tait's standup and take down ability was going to a be total fucking joke, I think half of america could whoop that guy's ass in a boxing match, his standup looked uncoordinated as hell. But if anything he won that fight, he bloodied the other guys face a little with some short bo's on the ground and didn't really get hit with much standing up. The bottom line was that the fight blew and was a draw, and it's extremely stupid that they didn't fight another round. Split decisions are for pussies, fight it out until it's clear I always say, or worst case call it a draw.

Yeah this Ed Herman's douchebag loudmouthing probably means he's overrated ala Soloman's dumbass. But this little spanish guy he's fighting doesn't seem too formidable although he does shut the fuck up so maybe he's legit and just not into the hype. I also am looking forward to seeing that deaf kid fight that tatooed fuck.
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post #38 of 87
5/22/06 at 7:10pm
As a side observation, does ANYONE in this group know how to kick? 7 or 8 well placed thigh kicks and you can effectively eliminate 75% of someone's mobility in a stand up. Far too much boxing going on for MMA matches.
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post #39 of 87
5/22/06 at 7:56pm
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I agree. Instead of watching the video of Ken "Uncle Rico" Shamrock dry humping Oleg Taktarov at UFC 7, they should have fast forwarded to see Marco Ruas chop down Paul Varlens. Mach Sakurai is one of my favorite fighters to watch because of his quick, stinging leg kicks. Keith Jardine also softened up Stephan Bonnar with those hard kicks to the thigh in their fight a few months ago. That stuff works. But, guys may not be throwing leg kicks as much because they are worried about getting taken down. That's all the more reason, though, for guys like Tait who want the fight to go to the ground to use leg kicks.
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post #40 of 87
5/23/06 at 1:45pm
Well, you'll get your wish I'd wager as the kid fighting Herman this week is like a junior champion kickboxer or some such. It'll be a striker v. grappler match.
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post #41 of 87
5/23/06 at 1:50pm
If he is a kickboxer, should be fun.

I don't know anywhere close to the information you guys do on MMA as I am jsut a fan of the show and fighting, but Is Ken Shamrock the worst coach ever? I mean he really seems like hs gusy do whatever they want.
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post #42 of 87
5/23/06 at 2:13pm
I'm sure there are far worse coaches than Shamrock. But as he is someone associated with the UFC for damn near it's entire run, to relegate grappling to nothing more than basic "Ground and Pound" techniques in today's UFC is pretty embarassing. Royce Gracie introduced the world to the advantage Jui Jitsu gives someone in ground warfare when the UFC was all about distinct styles so convincingly it's part of damn near every successful MMA fighters repertoire to some degree. To ignore that facet of the sport is poor coaching. To ignore hard core endurance and conditioning regimes doesn't speak well for him either.

Of course, once again, this could just be creative editing on the show's part.
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post #43 of 87
5/23/06 at 2:26pm
I just think the sport passed him by and he refuses to recognize that weight lifting, grappling and ankle locks are not the end all be all anymore. I'm not sure of the overrall success of the Lion's Den but I don't think it's been very good. He seems like a decent enough guy and has done a hell of a lot for the sport but his training is bunk. I watched him throw in the towel in a Pride match not too long ago because he was gassed about 5 minutes or so in.

And my bad on Danny, he's a tae kwon do guru but has been kickboxing professionally prior to this.
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post #44 of 87
5/23/06 at 3:59pm
In the first few UFC's, it used to be _______ discipline vs. __________ discipline (like Kenpo vs. Sumo), no weight ranges, no real MMA-type guys. Gracie got everyone one going "what's this jiu jitsu stuff?" and then a pro-wrestler (believe it or not) in Dan Severn was one of the first to utilize the ground and pound and combine it with effective striking, and Shamrock put them together really well--at least until he left for the WWF (as it was at the time).

There's a video going around the internet with the 500 lb. guy fighting a "small" guy, and that's from the first UFC. That was a sumo guy vs. a Kenpo guy. No pads on either one of them. And those guys used to fight tourney-style, with multiple fights in one night. A lot of the guys couldn't finish the night, since they didn't wear gloves, they'd get into the finals with broken finger, hands, knuckles, etc. That Kenpo guy broke his hand on the skull of the big sumo guy and had to drop out.
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post #45 of 87
5/23/06 at 7:40pm
that's gotta be the one where Manny Yarborough (5000 lbs) has a little guy crawl around him like a squirrel on a tree and at one point the little dude works the speedbag on Yarborough balls, which was perfectly legal then.
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post #46 of 87
5/24/06 at 10:56am
Joe Son Doe, man. Joe Son Doe. Look for that tape. I think that was who fought the Kenpo guy after he beat the sumo guy. The Kenpo guy just unloaded on Joe Son's nuts for like 10 minutes. We say at the gym when someone takes a nut shot, "Dude, he Joe Son Doe'd you." Joe Son was the fighter's name, and his "style" was Joe Son Doe.

EDIT: Keith Hackney is the Kenpo guy.
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post #47 of 87
5/24/06 at 12:09pm
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Speaking of Keith Hackney, according to MMA Weekly, he is rumored to be one of the fighters on Season 4 of TUF. The show is called "The Comeback" and features 16 fairly established fighters going for a 6-figure cash prize and a title shot. Here are the rumored participants:

Rumored Fighters at Middleweight (185 pounds):
-Jorge Rivera
-Patrick Cote
-Charles McCarthy
-Keith Hackney (48 years old)
-Gideon Ray
-Mark Weir
-Edwin Dewees
-Travis Lutter

Rumored Fighters at Welterweight (170 pounds):
-Matt Serra
-Chris Lytle
-Shonie Carter
-Rich Clementi
-Mikey Burnett
-Pete Spratt
-Nick Diaz
-Din Thomas

Advisors - Randy Couture, Georges St. Pierre, Mark DellaGrotte
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post #48 of 87
5/24/06 at 12:25pm
I am utterly disappointed that Ken Shamrock is not on that list.
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post #49 of 87
5/24/06 at 11:41pm
Joe Son Doe huh? doesn't ring a bell but I'm pretty foogy on the early ufc particulars, I seem to remember Manny Y taken numerous shots to the forbidden speedbag at some point as well. Must be a hallmark of the sumo style applied to mma. Remember that big think russian dude who was known as the polar bear? I wonder whatever happened to him.

I love that idea of veteran fighters for the next tuf. THe should really try to get the samshing machine Mark Kerr in on that. They could really kick thing up a notch, or make that kick things way the fuck down a notch and make season 5 "celebrity tuf", I'd be pretty damn entertained by a match between Michael Clark Duncan and Kevin James king of queens. Seriously, it would be fucking hilarious. Then Joe Rogan would take on Al Bundy.
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post #50 of 87
5/25/06 at 11:08am
Speaking of Joe Rogan, Dana White was on Bubba the Love Sponge's show (with Rich Franklin) a few weeks back, and Bubba asked him about the rumors about Rogan fighting a well-known actor. Dana confirmed it, and said that actor turned him down. The man Rogan challenged? Blade himself, Wesley Snipes.
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