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post #51 of 87
5/25/06 at 2:03pm
damn, that would've been awesome. I wonder who Rogan's next possible oppent will be? I'd like to see him take on Michael Clark Duncan, that guy is one of those douchebags who sits in the stands at a ufc event acting like he'd be kicking ass if he were in the ring. Please, I'm willing to bet heavily that he's slow and not coordinated or skilled, I like to see people like that get a dose of reality in the form of an ass whooping. Rogan's a strong and quick little dude and knows jiu jitsu, and probably has decent standup since I think I heard he used to do tae kwon do or kickbox or something, so despite giving up about 150 lbs I think Rogan would easily win. Who els celeb wise is into this shit? I always see people in the stands but I can't remember any now.
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post #52 of 87
5/25/06 at 2:34pm
I'm always seeing Cindy Crawford and Shaquille O'Neal, I think Joe could take, at least, one of them. Although, Cindy's mole might give him some trouble.
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post #53 of 87
5/26/06 at 2:40pm
Well last night's episode had no suprises, save that Ed doesn't seem to have much speed. He dominated, but he wasn't really facing much of an opponent. I wouldn't be suprised if Rory "Not out of the closet yet" Singer took him out.
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post #54 of 87
6/2/06 at 9:02am
That fight last night was horrible, very disappointing.
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post #55 of 87
6/2/06 at 10:21am
It was a good boxing match, but a bad MMA fight. I know his arm was hurt, but I couldn't understand why Matt wouldn't slap on some kind of submission when he got Mike on the ground. I don't think he expected Matt just to come right after him the whole fight. And even though Matt was obviously gassed after the fight, I couldn't tell that during the fight.

What are the odds that Bisping and Matt fight each other in the semis?
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post #56 of 87
6/2/06 at 10:58am
It was a boxing match, but I wouldn't say a very good one. Mike Nickels was really a disappointment as a stand-up fighter. Too much boxing, he really should have listened to Shamrock during the fight. Less punches, more kicks and knees.

It seemed the whole fight, Nickels was just throwing wild punches, blind punches, with his head down. And how many times did Nickels turn his back on Matt? Either when he was boxing and he would turn and run away? Or when he was on the ground and he would just ball up and give Matt his back?

I guess in retrospect, I see that Matt was tired during the fight. He often did little or nothing when on the ground and Mike gave him his back. But Mike looked WAY more tired during the fight, so in comparison, Matt seemed fresh.

And I would like to see a fight between Matt and Bisping!
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post #57 of 87
6/3/06 at 12:06am
I agree that fight was terrible, all of my Cobra Kai guys could have taken either one of them since those guys have no clue how to box, especially Nickels, he looked like an 8 year old kid goofily throwing punch after punch with his head buried in the sand. Any legit boxer would knock him out in under 10 seconds. Matt wasn't totally inept but he would get ko'd really easily as well by a legit fighter since he keeps his hands around his waist.
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post #58 of 87
6/5/06 at 4:49pm
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Originally Posted by Martianman
It was a good boxing match, but a bad MMA fight. I know his arm was hurt, but I couldn't understand why Matt wouldn't slap on some kind of submission when he got Mike on the ground. I don't think he expected Matt just to come right after him the whole fight. And even though Matt was obviously gassed after the fight, I couldn't tell that during the fight.

What are the odds that Bisping and Matt fight each other in the semis?
I think the problem is Matt doesn't really have a submission game. He uses his wrestling to get people to the ground, then just pounds the shit outta them.

...and I gotta believe that all of the editing leads to a Bisping/Matt at some point.
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post #59 of 87
6/5/06 at 10:44pm
the editing and the fact that the other two light heavys left are terrible fighters do suggest that. I think Bisping will win, Matt's striking stnading up and on the ground looked subpar, I don't see him being able to finish Bisping, but I can see Bisping kneeing Matt in the head really easily.
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post #60 of 87
6/9/06 at 12:03am
Shamrock is just a dickhead. He says it's Calib's fault because he didn't work on his cardio enough, "and that's up to him." Dude, you're the coach, it's your responsibilty to train the guy the right way to win the fight, like Tito is doing with his guys. I guess it's not at all Ken's fault that any of his guys have lost, is it? Geez. Shamrock hasn't put in 1/10th of the effort training his team like Tito has.

I wish Calib had won, as I can't stand that "Team Dagger" idiot. Next week's fight should be good, and Ed and Rory should be interesting as well.
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post #61 of 87
6/9/06 at 12:01pm
Yeah, this fight definitely showed the vast gulf between Tito's conditioning and Ken's. Ken reealy seems to be there just for his own sake (the pool game being a great example). If anything this season will help Tito out much more than Sham-cock.

Decent fight. I think the "verbal tapout" was something unexpected.
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post #62 of 87
6/9/06 at 12:05pm
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I can't believe Tait didn't want to fight. I can understand Kristian backing out with the huge gashes, but Tait just wasn't mentally prepared? He's done with the UFC, friend of Joe Rogan or not. There's no way Dana White invites that guy back. And you've got to love Ross stepping up like that to fight at 205. Ross and Bisping have already fought once right before the show and it didn't go too well for Ross. If I remember correctly, I think it was that fight that impressed Dana enough to invite Ross for a tryout, even though he lost. Right now, though, this is Bisping's competition to lose. I don't think the other three LHWs are in his league.

The MW fight was a good one. Calib seems to be the better fighter, but he got hurt and couldn't fight through it. The winner of Rory-Ed should probably take the whole thing.

I think that Bisping and Ed have the most potential to be big draws for the UFC in the future. Kendall will probably do pretty well too.
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post #63 of 87
6/23/06 at 10:51am
Just a reminder of the finale on Sat. I'm looking forward to it.
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post #64 of 87
6/23/06 at 10:52am
Well, the finals are set, and should be pretty good. Josh vs. Bisping and "Team Dagger" vs. Ed. I'm going with Bisping and the Red Headed killer. Although if Josh loses, I don't want to see the aftermath, as I think that guy will fall to pieces.

Oh, and I thought Dana White's comments about Shamrock were pretty funny, as he basically said Ken was there so he could fight Tito again, and didn't care about training the kids.
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post #65 of 87
6/23/06 at 10:58am
Predictions?

Light Heavyweights:
The Brit Michael takes the ex-fat kid Josh out 1st round. It's too bad, as I genuinly like both of these fighters, but Bisping is just too well rounded for Josh to overtake.

Middleweights:
Ed puts a knife in Team Dagger's Kendall 2nd round.
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post #66 of 87
6/23/06 at 12:46pm
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Bisping is going to kill Josh. He'll hopefully come in sharp and not overconfident like he did against Ross. When Ross landed that right on Bisping early, it woke him up. If he let's Josh tag him like that, it could be lights out. Otherwise, I don't really see Bisping having any trouble with Josh if he has his head on straight.

Ed is good, but Kendall poses match-up problems for him at 6'6". If Ed can get around Kendall's reach advantage, he should be able to ground and pound pretty effectively. I think that in the end, Ed will be just a little too physical for Kendall. Remember that Ed made it to the finals despite Shamrock's coaching (i.e., no conditioning for 6 weeks). Now he has had 3 months training with Randy Couture, Dan Henderson, and Matt Linland at Team Quest. The kid will be ready.
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post #67 of 87
6/23/06 at 1:39pm
Uh-Oh. Three of us all agree on the outcome. That of course means the opposite will happen so we all look stupid Sunday morning.
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post #68 of 87
6/23/06 at 3:09pm
There's always the edit feature.

And I'm basing my Ed victory on the fact that I can't stand that Team Dagger jackass--neither one of them, actually.
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post #69 of 87
6/23/06 at 4:46pm
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Okay, just so we don't tempt fate, I'm taking lovehandles over the Brit and Dagger Dumbass over the redhead.
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post #70 of 87
6/24/06 at 5:17am
the only guy I like out of all of them is Bisping. And he will win easily over mr. lovehandles with the pathetic hair cut. I too am getting really sick of seeing his dumbass cry every show, as if anyone gives a fuck about him and his stupid family, a lot of people have a family to support, get the fuck over yourself. Fortunatley he sucks and will get knocked out in about 45 seconds. What's funny is that he thinks he's good because he's beaten two absolutely horrible fighters so far. I dislike the team dagger geeks as much as anybody but Ed Herman is a big douchebag in his own right, so I'm rooting for an accidental headbutt to make both of them unconscious in that one. Shamrock is the quintessential asshole who's anger is only matched by how dumb he is.
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post #71 of 87
6/25/06 at 9:44am
I thought that the first and second fights were good. I'm looking forward to the fight on Wed. Speaking of fights, did any of you see Joe Rogan get into it with the guy from Amazing Race on Fear Factor. It was pretty funny.
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post #72 of 87
6/26/06 at 9:49am
Well Kendall shocked the hell out of me. Shows what months of training with Ortiz will do. He smothered Ed's offense, despite the fact that Ed could drop him to the ground seemingly at will. And Ed fought off submitting to a choke for 30 seconds? Sure, both guys were exhausted by that point, but that was still pretty damned impressive. Good call by Dana White on giving them both contracts. I want to see how they fare with other opponents.

No suprises in the Bisping fight. He dominated. Josh had a hell of a lot of heart to make that go 2 rounds. The laughable thing was Josh claiming he was going to come back in the 155 weight class. Not with that body type.

When the hell does season 4 start?
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post #73 of 87
6/26/06 at 10:04am
The biggest opponent that Ed had in that fight was having Shamrock as his coach. He wasn't even in his corner during the fight. And when he was presenting the watches and acting like he had somewhere else to be--my wife even said, "He's such a jackass. I want you to get that PPV just to see Tito Ortiz beat the crap out of him." It was one thing to be part of the team being trained by Ortiz, but then you add to that one-on-one training with Ortiz...forget about it.

And bless Josh, he can take a beating, but Bisping outclassed him that whole fight. Michael basically showed everything he could do in that fight, then closed the door when he saw the chance. I thought that Josh might actually get choked out until he was unconcious because he wouldn't give up.
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post #74 of 87
6/26/06 at 11:03am
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Originally Posted by Martianman
The biggest opponent that Ed had in that fight was having Shamrock as his coach. He wasn't even in his corner during the fight.
Shamrock wasn't anyone's coach after the show. Team Quest takes responsibility for both Ed and Josh.

Forgot to note the abysmal showing of Matt Hamill. Despite wrecking 2 time loser Jesse, he's got Joe Rogan pointing out how many times he could have passed guard and didn't. I didn't see any improvement to his game at all, in direct contrast to Kendall.
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post #75 of 87
6/26/06 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by Martianman
The biggest opponent that Ed had in that fight was having Shamrock as his coach. He wasn't even in his corner during the fight.
I didn't watch the previous seasons in their entirety, so this may be a dumb question. But after the taped portion of the program is complete, are the fighters on their own as far as how to train and who to train with? So for the past couple months, Ed went back to Team Quest to train, and he should have been much better off with them, than to try to get training from Shamrock. So why would Ed even want Shamrock in his corner for the final?

When I saw that Kendall had stayed with Tito to train for the final, I told my wife that Ed better be in great shape - because I knew Tito would make sure that Kendall would be at his best stamina wise. I think that is what did in Ed - he was fatigued, and didn't Ed even admit he wasn't in the best of shape after the fight?
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post #76 of 87
6/26/06 at 11:27am
He did go back to Team Quest, but I'm saying in general, Ed was Shamrock's only guy that made it to the finals, and he's not there in his corner to at least cheer him on?

I guess what I'm getting at is, Tito saw something in Kendall that spurred him to help train him personally; but Shamrock pretty much washed his hands of the whole thing when the show was over.
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post #77 of 87
6/26/06 at 11:33am
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Originally Posted by Martianman
He did go back to Team Quest, but I'm saying in general, Ed was Shamrock's only guy that made it to the finals, and he's not there in his corner to at least cheer him on?

I guess what I'm getting at is, Tito saw something in Kendall that spurred him to help train him personally; but Shamrock pretty much washed his hands of the whole thing when the show was over.
Got ya. I think Dana White summed it up when he said after everything is done, Shamrock just did this to get a fight with Ortiz. No personal investment. Ortiz took it the other way, which is why I think he has a great post-fight career starting his own training camp.
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post #78 of 87
6/26/06 at 11:41am
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Originally Posted by Martianman
The biggest opponent that Ed had in that fight was having Shamrock as his coach. He wasn't even in his corner during the fight. And when he was presenting the watches and acting like he had somewhere else to be--my wife even said, "He's such a jackass. I want you to get that PPV just to see Tito Ortiz beat the crap out of him."
I feel the same way. I imagine that it is going to be about $40 or $50 for the fight and I am pondering whether or not to do it.
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post #79 of 87
6/26/06 at 3:07pm
Just read that Ortiz is actually training with Matt Hamill and "Team Dagger"--both Kendall and Solomon--for the Shamrock fight.

Shamrock is reportedly drinking a Xyience shake and watching old tapes of himself in preparation for the fight....ok, maybe I made that part up.
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post #80 of 87
6/26/06 at 3:21pm
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Originally Posted by Martianman
Shamrock is reportedly drinking a Xyience shake and watching old tapes of himself in preparation for the fight....ok, maybe I made that part up.
Sadly - I think it could be true.

Overall a good night of fights. I think Ed and Kendall was a great fight and Kendall got MUCH beter in his off-time.

Mike and Josh went the way I imagiend, but Josh sure as hell hung in there. I thought Mike was going to break his arm in half, and for whatever reason Josh just refused to quit. He may be a little chubby, but he can take a punch.

I actually thought Matt showed a lot of improvement from his time during the show. I know he still has a long way to go, but with Tito taking him under his wing, he shoud get there. I know his arm was hurt in the season, but his punches were so much stronger than they were when he lost.
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post #81 of 87
6/26/06 at 4:33pm
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That fight between Kendall and Ed was great. Kendall won that decision in the last 30 seconds. Had the fight ended any sooner, it would have gone to Ed. When Ed took Kendall's back, got the hooks in and almost sunk the choke, Ed had to have been up on all three scorecards. When Kendall reversed and took the same position on Ed, he swung it back in his favor. Great action the entire fight. Ed's cardio was a little suspect and I was wondering if he would even be able to answer the bell in the third round. Both guys are going to have decent careers ahead of them.

Damn, Bisping is good. Just well-rounded and aggressive as hell. He's not quite up to the level of a Tito, Chuck, or Babalu, but he'll get there soon. And Josh said he's dropping down to 170 after fighting his first fight at 330. I propose that the next season of TUF be just Josh and Joe Riggs fighting each other in a best of 5 series in 5 different weight classes.

Keith Jardine is one tough SOB for making it out of that first round. Wilson just faded in the second and third and allowed Keith to take the fight away from him.

Florian is being built up right now against pure strikers with no ground skills. He'll be exposed bigger than life against Sean Sherk when they fight for the lightweight title. Barring a freak cut from Florian's elbow. Sherk should destroy the kid.
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post #82 of 87
6/26/06 at 8:16pm
I am eargerly anticipating watching Shamrock get his ass kicked again. I wonder if he's reviewing the old tape of himself losing to Tito the first time as he snacks on xyience shakes and steroids.

Bisping is good, especially with the knees, but he could've finished off that guy sooner with a choke. Josh is not a legit ufc fighter.

I would really like to see Ed Herman fight Chris Leben. Those two guys are almost the same person.
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post #83 of 87
6/27/06 at 10:16am
They talked to Chris Leben on the Bubba the Love Sponge show yesterday. He said he's all about the three vices: Drinking, Eating, and Screwing--and they've put him in a suite at the Hard Rock overlooking the pool just days before he has to fight, so he's going crazy because he can't do any of those three things. He was sitting around trying to make weight for today, and had 18 lbs left to go. They also goaded him a bit to essentially make a challenge to Rich Franklin (since he's a friend of the show), and he laughingly called Rich out. His prediction for the fight Wed. night is that he'll go right at Silva, probably take a punch to throw a punch, take him to the ground, drop an elbow, then pound on him until he submits. And I agree, I'd love to see him fight Ed, or even Kendall.
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post #84 of 87
6/27/06 at 4:16pm
Was quite impresed with Bisping. The man was attacking Josh in 7 different ways over the course of the fight. Nice amount of submissions to the ground and pound to the stand up. Impressive to say the least. He may be better then Tito at this point considering Tito spoke about how during the show Mike almost caught him with an arm bar at one point.

What I find funny though is if Shammy was any less the jerk Tito would easily been seen as the jerk he is as well. Yea Tito impressed my with his teaching during the show but having watched UFC 59 he is no less the a-hole he's always been. So I'm just looking for both fighters to knock the crap out of each other period. Besides UFC is good for watching no so great technical fighters with a lot of heart beat each other to the point of the viewers exhaustion. Having watched a bit more Pride lately...it's leaps and bounds better on a technical level. Disregarding maybe Chuck (who got beat by Rampage) and Hughes Pride is just far better top to bottom. It's quite interesting watching the difference. If UFC didn't have the chracters and the fights who don't give up like they do it would be like watching old NBA compared to the WNBA.
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post #85 of 87
6/27/06 at 6:53pm
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Ed Herman and Chris Leben will never fight because they train together at Team Quest. Leben was in Herman's corner for his fight last weekend. But it would be a pretty good fight.

I think Bisping could really do some damage if he dropped down to 185. He's not a big LHW. He has more of a MW build anyway. But, after Chuck, Tito and Babalu, the UFC doesn't really have any quality LHWs (Forrest and Bonnar ain't there yet). Meanwhile, they are building up a nice MW division with Rich Franklin, Anderson Silva, Nathan Marquardt, David Loiseau, Chris Leben, Evan Tanner, Dean Lister, and the new Ultimate Fighter guys coming in. Bisping will get a title shot faster at LHW, but like Brandon Vera, he would probably be a better fighter dropping down a weight class.
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post #86 of 87
6/30/06 at 12:27pm
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Speaking of Keith Hackney, according to MMA Weekly, he is rumored to be one of the fighters on Season 4 of TUF. The show is called "The Comeback" and features 16 fairly established fighters going for a 6-figure cash prize and a title shot.
Here's the confirmed list:

Middleweights

Patrick Cote
Edwin Dewees
Travis Lutter
Charles McCarthy
Gideon Ray
Jorge Rivera
Pete Sell
Scott Smith

Welterweights

Mikey Burnett
Shonie Carter
Rich Clementi
Jeremy Jackson
Chris Lytle
Matt Serra
Pete Spratt
Din Thomas

No Hackney, dammit.
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post #87 of 87
6/30/06 at 12:36pm
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Originally Posted by Martianman
Here's the confirmed list:

Middleweights

Patrick Cote
Edwin Dewees
Travis Lutter
Charles McCarthy
Gideon Ray
Jorge Rivera
Pete Sell
Scott Smith

Welterweights

Mikey Burnett
Shonie Carter
Rich Clementi
Jeremy Jackson
Chris Lytle
Matt Serra
Pete Spratt
Din Thomas

No Hackney, dammit.
Yeah, I just saw that. I guess Hackney went out to Vegas with Gideon Ray, who he coaches. That probably led to rumors that Hackney was competing. Since these guys competing are pretty experienced, the "coaches" are just there as advisers. I wonder if the competitors were able to bring in some of their own people for training, which would explain why Hackney was there.

For me, the biggest disappointment with this list is no Nick Diaz. He's lost 3 in a row in the UFC (but did pick up a win in a local Stockton, CA show last month). But they were all close fights. Nick Diaz has a big mouth and a short temper. It kind of sucks that he won't be involved.

I guess this season starts airing in mid-August.
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