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Hostel DVD

post #1 of 20
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Just got the Pre-street from Blockbuster and I'm somewhat disapointed. As my second favorite Horror movie of last year (2nd only to Devil's Rejects) I was hoping for something really great. Instead all there is are 4 commentaries (Eli, a friendly note, nobody wants to hear you talk about the movie 4 times. And I like commentaries too.)

Also there's a behind the scenes featurette that seems more concerned with showing how fun it is to be in an Eli Roth movie then the conception and production of the film. Though,

A big disapointment is the cover. It's very minimalist, a staticky black and white photo of a pair of pliers, and while I'm usually a fan of minimalist cover art, this doesn't really convey any kind of threat or impending doom. I really would have liked just a picture of the chair in the room or something. Also, Quentin Tarantino's name is a bit too large, which will only further the misconception of many people (or at least that I've met) that Quentin Tarantino directed it.

I'm sure they're saving all the good stuff for some sort of special edition.
post #2 of 20
Last year? This came out in January, right?
post #3 of 20
Yep. Jan 28th if I'm not mistaken.
post #4 of 20
Thread Starter 
Then I am a fool. I was sure it was December. But in any case, it's position is the same, only now it's behind Slither.
post #5 of 20
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Another strange thing is that one of the commentaries is between Eli Roth and Harry Knowles. I haven't listened to it yet and I'm sure they explaint hat one, but I thought that was interesting.
post #6 of 20
Harry helped come up with the concept for the story.
post #7 of 20
EDIT: Beat me to it.
post #8 of 20
I saw the flick in january, and I'll be picking it up when it comes out. I've read that this is an unrated cut. What's extra in the movie Soybomb?
post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by JGButler
Harry helped come up with the concept for the story.
They're also butt buddies by the way you hear Harry talk about Eli. I liked Cabin Fever but I hardly think the guys the second coming for horror.
At any rate, I'll be picking up this flick when the DVD hits. This has been a banner year for horror so far and it's only April!
post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by Mr.Eko
I saw the flick in january, and I'll be picking it up when it comes out. I've read that this is an unrated cut. What's extra in the movie Soybomb?
Since I wasn't able to really pick out anything, I'm guessing not much. Perhaps a few more seconds here or there, but for the most part what you saw in theatres was what they intended.
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by soybomb42
Since I wasn't able to really pick out anything, I'm guessing not much. Perhaps a few more seconds here or there, but for the most part what you saw in theatres was what they intended.
Yeah, I saw it tonight. Yet another bullshit "unrated" cut. I think, literally, the only thing I saw that wasn't in the theatrical cut was an extremely brief bush shot in the sauna scene - and that might have even been in the theatrical cut.

I still love this movie, though.
post #12 of 20
The only way I'll pick up any "Hostel" DVD is if it includes an ample amount of Eastern Euroslut T&A bonus footage.

I didn't hate the film but I'm not sure I need to watch its second half ever again. The first half has a certain replayability though.
post #13 of 20
I still don't know how they came up with this unrated cut. Roth said that all they did was trim a bit of nudity out, but all of the gore was left in. A bit of nudity does not constituate a dvd tagline like "sick and twisted unrated" I guess it's all for the marketing.
post #14 of 20
Well I got the unrated version last night at Wal-Mart, and I didn't see one damn thing different in the movie. I haven't heard the commentaries yet, so maybe Roth will explain what it is that I missed.
post #15 of 20
Horrible movie, great commentaries. Especially the one with Roth, Tarantino, Yakin and Spiegel.
post #16 of 20
I finally got around to seeing HOSTEL. Like a splinter under the fingernail, a quick, nasty horror flick for those not looking for depth or resonance.

Which is a shame because with a few tweaks it could have had resonance and lasting appeal. But ultimately some aspects and plot devices were handed too clumsily, or merely adequately, to elevate it to memorability. Three examples that occurred to me during or after the film: Paxton’s anecdote about the drowned girl, the pack of children, and the nature of the torture factory.

Paxton just blurts the story of the drowned girl to Josh as they walk around, and it comes from nowehere. It feels like the classic theatrical example of the pistol shown in act 1 that must be fired by act 3. It exists only to attempt to humanize him later on and give him an excuse to head back into danger when any sane person would be fleeing for their life. However, had he mentioned it while, say, in a bar trying to pick up a girl, as one of those tales meant to elicit sympathy from a potential pick-up, it wouldn’t have felt out of place.

The pack of kids also felt like a contrivance to be utilized later on. Personally, it would have worked better for me if, in the midst of the menace and ugliness of Bratislava, Pax sees this group of children playing and it makes him feel better for a moment, relieves some of the tension. Maybe they seem like innocents at first. Then when they turn out to be little savages, the menace would be amplified.

(The kids also were reminiscent of the gang of punks outside Dustin Hoffman’s apartment in MARATHON MAN. Menacing at first, but utlized to the hero’s benefit in the third act.)

Finally, the torture factory itself. It just exists, a cipher without explanation. Like the existence of the Cube in CUBE I don’t have any problem with the enigma, but given the revelations that it’s an actual business, it may have been interesting if it came about as a side effect of Slovakia’s move towards a capitalist society. It sounds like the kind of thing that would have been established in Russia after communism crumbled and the mob ran rampant. A line of dialogue or piece of evidence could have given it some more depth than merely being a threat to escape from.

(I admit that, given the business nature of the torture factory, I found the counterpoint of the children also willing to hurt and kill anyone for money [bubble gum] and being used against Pax’s pursuers to be chuckle-worthy.)

Some people have complained about Miike’s cameo and the car chase, but neither bothered me at all. The car chase was brief, and Pax had to flee somehow. I just didn’t feel any tension because it would have been all the same to me whether he escaped or not. And Miike’s cameo didn’t come across as a cameo to me. In Pax’s place I would also have questioned people to gain information before entering that fucking “art show.”

While the protagonists were basically grist for the mill, the torturers themselves felt much more like actual human beings. The Dutch businessman was the most fleshed out character in the film, not sympathetic in any way but certainly believable. Rick Hoffman as the American client was my favorite part of the movie. (It’s interesting how the movie can be simultaneously xenophobic and anti-American.) One would imagine that a first-timer would be excited, anxious and insatiably curious. Even Paxton’s unnamed German torturer, with his paroxysms of orgasmic bliss at hearing Paxton’s pleading, then his mini-tantrum when his victim has the temerity to beg in his native tongue, is cartoon sadist, but an ultimately believable one. Threatening Pax with the scissors, and then the chainsaw, seemed an awfully authentic touch to me.

Speaking of authentic touches, Pax vomiting in terror made it very real for me. Someone else in this thread mentioned there should be more terror-induced puking in films, and I concur. Blood, sweat and tears aren’t the only fluids released during these events. However, vomiting, pissing and shitting yourself in terror isn’t “sexy”, so are often omitted. But when they are included it adds to the realism. It makes it less fun, but (with some obvious exceptions, like DEAD ALIVE and SLITHER), violence shouldn’t be fun, or clean, or easy to watch. There was a serial killer named Gerard Schaefer, convicted of 2 murders, and there was evidence linking him to many more. Among his possessions during his arrest were pages of stories and notes that many feel were his actual depredations camouflaged as fiction (later published as “Killer Fiction.” He also corresponded while in prison, divulging awful details. He mentions kidnapping 2 girls, and keeping them bound and gagged. He stabbed and disemboweled one girl while the other watched, and this other girl vomited in terror, and being tightly gagged, asphyxiated on her own vomit. While estimating his own body count he once said, “One whore drowned in her own vomit while watching me disembowel her girlfriend. I’m not sure that counts as a valid kill.” It may be a fantasy, but I tend to doubt it. It’s just a horrible detail that has always stuck with me, and seeing Paxton’s vomit spewing from behind the ballgag just really made my hair stand on end.

That said, I found the violence to be much easier to take than I expected. I suppose you become inured to such things after a while, but the only time I winced was when Pax gets his hand chopped in half by the saw. Josh’s tendons were great for the sound effect, but again, I was expecting worse. The cart of dismembered body parts looked good. The Japanese girl, not so much. And if anyone ever asks for the definition of gratuitous violence, Pax snipping her enucleated eye and the following gush of goo pretty much fit the bill. Not the dangling eye itself, that could well be a legitimate result of torture, but the cutting and pus are just there for the squirm factor. I found it so cartoonishly over the top I laughed out loud. The Dutch guy’s finger amputation looked good, but that may have been because the scene was so comparatively well lit.

Many people have complained about the Eurotrip-like beginning, but I can’t fault that. Not all horror films are alike, and while I can appreciate it when a film gets rolling immediately (a la DAWN OF THE DEAD), taking the time to set things up is also appreciated. The mounting tension of being in a strange and menacing environment was a nice buildup to the terror and grue of the tortures. Being a semi-paranoid misanthrope anyway, I found the quiet threat of the foreign environments to be one of the most effective aspects of the film. I think those complaining about the slow burn to the meaty torture bits also hate it when nobody gets whacked in a given episode of The Sopranos.

HOSTEL is better than CABIN FEVER, but I kinda liked CF too so it seems natural that I would like this. For a sophomore effort it’s damn good, and Roth demonstrates he has the talent to go places. Let him make his mistakes now, and we might be seeing some great things from him a decade hence. But I think one reviewer (can’t recall who, maybe Devin) nailed it when he said Roth has to decide where his loyalties lie – horror fans or the mainstream audience. If he sides with the former, displays a greater willingness to take risks, and improves his plotting and characterization, I’ll reward his loyalty with my own.
post #17 of 20
Hostel in my opinion is the worst excuse of a horror movie I have seen in my life.
post #18 of 20
That's the great thing about art. It's such an intensely personal experience. What's an absolute turn-off for one may be the greatest turn-on for another. While largely mediocre it showed promise, and a couple of aspects of the film really affected me.

Is it really the worst "horror" film you've ever seen, or is that hyperbole? I can understand people not being satisfied with or ever hating it, but the worst? Really? Crushing disappointment after high expectations, perhaps?
post #19 of 20
I didn't have very high expectations, but I found the movie to be laughably bad. The horror was surprisingly unscary, and the comedy painfully unfunny. Much less entertaining than watching Hal Sparks get tortured has any right to be.
post #20 of 20
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Originally Posted by bgirl
Hostel in my opinion is the worst excuse of a horror movie I have seen in my life.
See "Manos - Hands of fate" and "Troll 2", then get back to me.


My biggest problem with Hostel: Not enough torture scenes. Your primary concept for the film, and one skinny frat boy is the only complete sequence. Needed to cut the "Eurotrip 2" front end by about 25 minutes, and fill it with preliminary, increasingly nastier, torture scenes.

And yes, I need professional help.
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