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post #1 of 20
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just read this article on the future of cartoon network.

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Shift on at Cartoon net
Net taps Naito as veep longform development

Major changes are in store for Cartoon Network, which will step outside its charter for the first time and into live-action programming.

CablerCabler has opened its doors to the unanimated world as part of a larger development department expansion that includes select live-action theatrical movie buys and the creation of a longformlongform unit.

Nickelodeon MoviesNickelodeon Movies vet Ramsey Naito has been brought in to oversee the latter division as VP of longform development. Heather Kenyon, recently upped to senior director of original development, will oversee the series side. Both execs will report to senior VP Michael Ouweleen.

At the same time, Cartoon is pumping up its inhouse development of animated shorts -- content that can serve a range of purposes from potential pilots to interstitials to projects for the Web, on-demand and mobile platforms. Craig McCracken, creator of Cartoon's "Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends," will serve as executive consultant for the shorts division, while Rob Renzetti, another recruit from Nick, will work as a supervising producer.

Cartoon general manager Jim Samples and Ouweleen stressed that the kids net isn't getting less animated, per se, but did confirm that the cabler is now taking non-toon pitches for both series and original movies. At least one series project is nearing an official development deal.

Ouweleen, a 10-year Cartoon staffer, characterized the live-action agenda as not entirely aggressive. "The doors are open, but there's no mandate to have a certain number of live-action shows on the network, or any at all," he said. "We're just open to seeing what's out there."

He'd prefer to get "animation-inspired" projects but couldn't define any criteria. "I think we'll know the right project when we see it," he said.

Changes arrive as Cartoon continues to trail competitors Nickelodeon and Disney in the total day race for kids 6-11. First quarter results have Nick ensconced in the top spot and Cartoon lagging Disney by a little more than 100,000 viewers in the demo. Cabler is also off 17% in primetime from first quarter 2005 but has seen Saturday morning success with new originals "Ben 10" and "My Gym Partner Is a Monkey."

Ouweleen said plans to bolster the development group have been in place for a couple years. The number of original series premieres have increased to five for 2006, including "Class of 3000," the high-profile skeinskein from Outkast's Andre Benjamin. And the shorts program that McCracken is helping shepherd has churned out new half-hours like "Squirrel Boy."

It's only recently, however, that execs began taking meetings for live-action originals.

First step into the genre will be the original movie "Re-Animated," a hybrid animated/live-action event slated for the fall about a boy who can see cartoon characters others can't. Net also announced original movies based on the cartoons "Codename: Kids Next Door," "Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends" and "Teen Titans" at its upfrontupfront last month.

"One thing we all agreed on two years ago was that we needed to be in the event business, and we think this longform division will put us right in the game," Ouweleen said.

Cartoon has been testing the performance of live-action features like "Batman," "Who Framed Roger Rabbit?" and "Ace Ventura" on air since late last year. Most recently, cabler drew a big 2.3 million viewers to a showing of the Jim CarreyJim Carrey comedy "Dumb and Dumber""Dumb And Dumber" on Friday. Net will make an event out of the "Spider-Man""Spider-Man" premiere later this summer.

Ouweleen points out that certain comedies on network TV, including "Arrested Development""Arrested Development" and "Scrubs," are "by and large live-action cartoons. There's no reason we couldn't do something similar for kids."

And while certain cartoons such as "SpongeBob SquarePants" continue to attract big crowds, a live-action launch like Disney ChannelDisney Channel's "Hannah Montana" can attract even more attention. "Hannah""Hannah" also drew a big 5.4 million (2.3 million kids 6-11) during its premiere showing two weeks ago. Cartoon's top shows "Ben 10" and "My Gym Partner..." have averaged 680,000 and 647,000 viewers in the demo, respectively.

But Ouweleen remained adamant: "We're not looking to make live-action our main thing. No way. We're still the cartoon warehouse."

Naito spent the past six years at Nickelodeon Movies, where she supervised the development, production and marketing for features "Jimmy Neutron, Boy Genius," "Rugrats in Paris" and "Rugrats Gone Wild." Renzetti worked on Nick's "My Life as a Teenage Robot" and "Whatever Happened to Robot Jones." He also directed episodes of "Family Guy""Family Guy" and "Power Puff Girls."

Kenyon was previously editor-in-chief of Animation World Network and worked in animation at Hanna-Barbera Cartoons.
can't help but feel their stock is going down due to decision. this is why i stopped watching mtv, or nickelodeon when i was a kid. if i want live-action shows, i'll put on cbs or some other shit. very sad.
post #2 of 20
I'm trying to read this article, but my brain keeps seeing the words "Cartoon Network" followed by the words "live-action programming", and can only come up with a giant error message as a result.
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Who the hell wasn't perfectly content with CN's current programming? I mean, there were some duds, and there are a number of shows they still haven't shown, but otherwise it was the best you could hope for from a Cartoon Network.
post #5 of 20
What's odd is that Nick, the one on top of both CN and Disney and been top-rated on Cable in general for a while, has its long-standing success sitting squarely on the shoulders of Spongebob and Fairly Oddparents. Two cartoons.

But hey, maybe Saved By the Bell reruns will be what finally beats out Spongebob....
post #6 of 20
For the longest time I've heard that Cartoon Network would revamp itself to include more Adult Swim type programming. Adding live action kid's shows seems like a step in the wrong direction. The niche is filled for kids networks, I would think that trying something marketed towards adults would be more profitable.
post #7 of 20
I love the justification that Arrested Development and Scrubs are basically live-action cartoons. What does that even mean? A cartoon can be anything. Are they saying that any comedy is cartoonish? I'm having trouble with this statement.
post #8 of 20
I know a lot of people who felt that Nickelodeon started to go down hill once they eliminated a lot of their live-action programming like Salute Your Shorts and Are You Afraid of the Dark, though.

(And yes, I'm fully aware that Salute Your Shorts, as anything but an item of nostalgia, is bad.)
post #9 of 20
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Originally Posted by E.C.
What's odd is that Nick, the one on top of both CN and Disney and been top-rated on Cable in general for a while, has its long-standing success sitting squarely on the shoulders of Spongebob and Fairly Oddparents. Two cartoons.

But hey, maybe Saved By the Bell reruns will be what finally beats out Spongebob....
I'd say Kenan and Kel and Clarissa Explains It All had a pretty big say in that.
post #10 of 20
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Originally Posted by Charlie Brigden
I'd say Kenan and Kel and Clarissa Explains It All had a pretty big say in that.
I don't really think so. Nickelodeon was already around for a good while, and they had YCDTOT under their belt and was just starting their big 4 Nicktoons by the time CN came around.

However, even if you could put Nick's current success on live-action programming of old, live-action is not what's leading their ratings right now; toons are, and their two major ones have been on longer and are arguably more popular than those two live-action shows. Also, Nick's live-action was (and still is) original, not reruns of a crappy live-action 80s tv show or replays of movies that come on TBS/TNT.

If Saved by the Bell and Small Soldiers is CN's answer to All That, they've got some long ways to go.
post #11 of 20
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Originally Posted by fabfunk
Who the hell wasn't perfectly content with CN's current programming?
Aside from Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends, that network has shit. And it didn't used to be this way. They had a damn decent Justice League show which they didn't support properly. Samurai Jack? Gone. Powerpuff Girls? Gone. They don't show the Golden Age Warner Bros. cartoons on Saturdays anymore, and there are consistent 2 1/2 hour blocks of shitty anime, or shitty American animation trying to be anime, which is worse. And now, they're trying to supplement all that with sure-to-be-condescending live-action.

Glad to see I'm not the only one feeling like he's watching the downfall of MTV all over again.
post #12 of 20
Cartoon Network has long believed to be successful, they need to be Nick or Disney.

Now, mind you, Nick and Disney are pretty successful being Nick and Disney. Does that mean we need a third identical channel? Probably not. That's assuming they can even do it well. Which they can't.

I just think about JLU or Samurai Jack or Titans or any numbero f more mature animated shows they had..... and just think about the niche that could have filled.

But hey, why break in a new direction when it's so much easier to follow the dog's ass in front of you?

Even if you can't even do THAT right.
post #13 of 20
I think Cartoon Network is missing one important piece of information: Nick and Disney? They KNOW where their bread and butter is. They know who fills those advertiser slot: Their cartoons. Why else would there be a Nicktoons Network, or a TOONDisney? If anything Nick and Disney were trying to go in CN's general direction, what with the all-toon all the time thing. What's next? Boomerang decides to go the Nick at Nite route?
post #14 of 20
The thing is, as good as Samurai Jack was, few watched it. It's understandable why kids wouldn't, but even teens and young adults just didn't like it. I think CN is horrible for not showing reruns of SJ, but I can't completely fault them for it failing in the first place.

CN's biggest success in the past came from DBZ (which ushered in the anime craze, if I'm right) and Powerpuff Girls. They've finally got a true DBZ replacement in Naruto (aka NinjaBall Z), but it's not in a good timeslot that'll get them higher ratings.

The other problem is that CN's original cartoons blow and have consistently blown since McCracken stopped doing Powerpuff Girls. There's nothing on that channel that comes close to Spongebob's wide appeal.

They'd be better off trying to develop an actual good, easily marketable toon that everyone likes instead of venturing into live-action.
post #15 of 20
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i think they need to prop up "grim adventures of billy & mandy". its got one of the dumbest main characters i've ever seen that i always smile when i see its on.
post #16 of 20
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Originally Posted by RathBandu
I know a lot of people who felt that Nickelodeon started to go down hill once they eliminated a lot of their live-action programming like Salute Your Shorts and Are You Afraid of the Dark, though.

(And yes, I'm fully aware that Salute Your Shorts, as anything but an item of nostalgia, is bad.)
You take that back! Budnick rules you all!
post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by donde
i think they need to prop up "grim adventures of billy & mandy". its got one of the dumbest main characters i've ever seen that i always smile when i see its on.
The show's writing is utter shit. However, it has one glowing positive for it: Richard Horvitz. He goes just straight fucking batshit performing Billy, even above and beyond his work on Invader Zim. He's honed the insanity to the point that the aforementioned shitty writing is hilarious in spite of itself.

And I forgot about Teen Titans, which, while I don't catch it often, has grown on me over time.
post #18 of 20
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Originally Posted by donde
i think they need to prop up "grim adventures of billy & mandy". its got one of the dumbest main characters i've ever seen that i always smile when i see its on.
I do like that show. It's kinda like Ren&Stimpy or ZIM in that the people behind are trying to see what dark/insane things they can get away with on a kids show. And I love the references to things ranging from Lovecraft to Conan & Kill Bill.

But I think the show is like ZIM in that it's probably a little too dark for its own good.
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Goodbye, Cartoon Network. It was nice knowing you.
Sad......Very sad.....what's next......Maybe Food network can start showing NASCAR races.
post #20 of 20
Or The Discovery Channel can run shows about guys who do makeovers on cars. That'll be the day.
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