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post #1 of 216
Thread Starter 
"Tell your God to ready for blood"

Well I thought I'd get the ball rolling here as I know I'm not the only person looking forward to this. I know this is a little early but some Deadwood discussion can't hurt.

I'm still not sure on the annexing issue seeing as I don't really know my history. But I think I'm following things right (Plus the recaps at Television Without Pity have been a massive source of help)

For those who don't know, we now also have Brian Cox joining the cast.

The Season premiere is Sunday June 11th.

HBO have released 3 trailers for the new season. And so far they're great (And I hope they include them on the DVD).

Trailer 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FnSK...earch=Deadwood

Trailer 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRfrE...earch=deadwood

Trailer 3 - (This is the same as Trailer 2 but contains some footage from the new Season) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c19Cj...earch=deadwood
post #2 of 216
Goddamn I love Deadwood.
It's better than movies.
post #3 of 216
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Originally Posted by Giant Baba
Anybody know if they will be running the complete second season ON DEMAND??? I've got a taste of it, and I want more.
That's the norm with their other programs so I'm going to say yes.
post #4 of 216
Any word on a Season 2 DVD release?
post #5 of 216
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Originally Posted by BobClark
Any word on a Season 2 DVD release?

5/23

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...v=glance&n=130
post #6 of 216
It would be nice if HBO could lower the prices of their DVDs.
post #7 of 216
May I be the first to say how exicted I am that this cocksucking show is coming back... cocksucker.
post #8 of 216
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Originally Posted by Mad_Kinski
Thanks, cocksucker.
post #9 of 216
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Originally Posted by Giant Baba
Anybody know if they will be running the complete second season ON DEMAND??? I've got a taste of it, and I want more.
They'll have all of Season 2 available On-Demand starting next week, May 15th. You can get a schedule for their full On-Demand lineup at their website.
post #10 of 216
Those trailers are really great. I love how the first one ties back into one of the Bible passages mentioned by the epileptic Reverend in the first season--about the body, and the community, being connected.

I won't be able to get Season Three because we don't get cable where I live, but you bet your ass I'm going to buy season two the second it comes out. It's a contrary opinon, but I think Deadwood is the best thing HBO's ever done.
post #11 of 216
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Originally Posted by RathBandu
It's a contrary opinon, but I think Deadwood is the best thing HBO's ever done.
I agree. I don't know if I'd say it's better than The Wire, but I'd take Deadwood over The Sopranos any day of the week.
post #12 of 216
I was about to start this thread after catching part of the trailer with the different characters reciting the Beatitudes. I can't fucking wait for this.

You all need to lay off the Sopranos though. I know it's the internet, but it is possible to express apprecitaion for one show without ripping on another. The Sopranos, Deadwood, and The Wire are as good as TV gets, and I love em all to an unhealthy degree.
post #13 of 216
I'm actually going to go so far as to say Deadwood is not just my favorite HBO show, but my favorite show. Like, ever. There have only been a couple shows I've watched more than once (Twin Peaks, the good episodes of X Files), but Deadwood I watch over and over, and find new and spectacular character moments and turns of phrase every time. The ensemble is second to absoultely none, and the writing is like acombination of David Mamet and Tom Stoppard. Just out of curiosity-lets try listing top 3 characters in descending order. Will everyone put Swearengen at #1?

1. Al Swearengen
2. Doc Cochran
3. EB Farnum

Although this leaves off Cy Tolliver, Calamity Jane, Dan Dority and even Francis Woolcott. So shit.
post #14 of 216
I agree about laying off Sopranos. It doesn't hold a candle to Deadwood, but it's still friggin better than most TV shows including over-rated network stuff like LOST, a show that desperately needs likeable characters (a trait that Sopranos and Deadwood excell in).
post #15 of 216
1. Al Swearengen
2. Doc Cochran
3. EB Farnum


I agree with the first 2, but have to put in a vote for Bullock for #3. I love his constant look of restrained rage, and the way Al constantly calls him on his bullshit "holier than thou" attitude. But in general, the sense of just how damaged everyone on this show really is gets to me, and there really isn't a character I don't like (Jane included).
post #16 of 216
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Originally Posted by nork
1. Al Swearengen
2. Doc Cochran
3. EB Farnum


I agree with the first 2, but have to put in a vote for Bullock for #3. I love his constant look of restrained rage, and the way Al constantly calls him on his bullshit "holier than thou" attitude. But in general, the sense of just how damaged everyone on this show really is gets to me, and there really isn't a character I don't like (Jane included).
I don't like everyone, but some characters are just fun to hate, like Francis Wolcott and Cy Tolliver. so who do you think Garret Dillahunt is going to play next season, and how do you think they will kill him off? I love the fact he is the Kenny of the show.
post #17 of 216
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Originally Posted by Schwartz
You all need to lay off the Sopranos though. I know it's the internet, but it is possible to express apprecitaion for one show without ripping on another. The Sopranos, Deadwood, and The Wire are as good as TV gets, and I love em all to an unhealthy degree.
agreed, it's like they're threatened by the sopranos. anyways can't wait for season 3!
post #18 of 216
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Originally Posted by eenin
I don't like everyone, but some characters are just fun to hate, like Francis Wolcott and Cy Tolliver. so who do you think Garret Dillahunt is going to play next season, and how do you think they will kill him off? I love the fact he is the Kenny of the show.
I don't think Dillahunt will be back for S3. I read an interview somewhere with Milch where he talked about recasting him as Wolcott to emphasize how those murderous tendacies aren't limited by class. It wasn't done as stunt casting or as a gag. Turning him into Kenny is exactly why he shouldn't be brought back.
post #19 of 216
because this is a thread about the greatness of deadwood and it's upcomming season, not "deadwood good, the sopranos bad". there was absolutely no point in slamming the sopranos for no reason. somebody seem's jealous to me.
post #20 of 216
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Originally Posted by Giant Baba
Enlighten me: how is being of the opinion that THE SOPRANOS sucks (and, indeed, it does, in my opinion) remotely close to being "threatened" by it?????
You started ripping on the show out of nowhere, and used far too many question marks for casual conversation.

It's not like the Sopranos (which is the best TV show ever, and has an ensemble cast that is at least as strong as Deadwood, imo) popularity harms Deadwood in any way. Actually, HBO's flagship is what made Deadwood possible and helped it gain an audience.
post #21 of 216
I'm going to be contrary with my favorite characters:

1. Charlie Utter
2. Al
3. Sol Star/Dan Doherty/Calamity Jane

I like Charlie the most because, in some weird way, he's the character I can most identify with. He's definitely one of the most loyal and good-hearted characters in Deadwood (keep in mind I haven't seen season 2 yet), and it's established from his very first scene in Nuttall's saloon. When Wild Bill asks him "will you let me go to hell the way I want to", that about kills me, as does the scene later on where Charlie visits Bill's grave for the first time.

As the most trusted associate of the leads, Sol Star and Dan Doherty are two of the unsung stars of that ensemble, I think, with both John Hawkes and W. Earl Brown knocking it out of the park with every scene they get, and they function as great counterpoints to each other--although they're not too different.

Everybody bitches about McShane not getting enough love from the awards circut, but frankly, I think it's a goddamn crime that Robin Weigert hasn't been nominated yet for ANYTHING. The way she goes from comedy to tragedy at the drop of a dime is just amazing--she can make you laugh, and tear out your heart doing. Not to mention that along with Al, she's one of the more quotable characters on the show.

And Al. What's there to say about him that hasn't already been said? I think that Milch's genius was not creating one of the greatest villians in tv history, but that he managed to make him loved. Al is a bad man in a bad town, sure, but the few moments of kindness we have seen from him--as opposed to the absolute satanic majesty of Powers Boothe (I shudder thinking about the way he punished poor Veronica Mars)--make him a compelling, endlessly watchable character.
post #22 of 216
Well I can see we're going to be having a nice time discussing DEADWOOD!

Damn
post #23 of 216
As someone who has seen every episode of the Sopranos, I can say its a pretty good program. Ditto Oz, Rome, Six Feet Under, and every other one hour drama I've seen on HBO (except Carnivale-I really tried to get into it, but I just couldn't do it). Deadwood happens to be a notch above. Maybe a good three or four notches, actually. This takes nothing away from the others, which are all high quality.

As for the jealousy comment, I can say I wish Deadwood got the credit it deserves, meaning as far as ratings or award show love, but it certainly hasn't affected the show or its chances of being on (I heard HBO has already ordered a fourth season on the strength of three. Allegedly the same reason Big Love got called in to follow The Sopranos-they thought Deadwood could stand on its own). So no, no jealousy there. Its one of the few properties being run perfectly, in my opinion, from the creative side to the executive.

The important thing is the show continues to top itself and I'm watching the first two seasons again in prep for June 11th. Hail Deadwood.
post #24 of 216
I'm going to chime in on this Sopranos-Deadwood business only for a minute and say that when comparing the two at least to this point Deadwood has a much stronger narrative thread.

As for Deadwood, I'm fuckin stoked.
post #25 of 216
Jesus Christ Baba, have a drink or something. It's a TV show, that I like, but if you don't, whatever. We're talking opinions here.

As for Deadwood, Al is obviously the best character, especially when teamed up with Mr. Wu. The pep-talk he gives Merrick in Season Two is probably my favorite scene from the show thus far. I'm also a big fan of Dan and Charlie Utter. That scene with him and Jane at Bill's grave just kills me no matter how many times I see it.
post #26 of 216
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Originally Posted by Giant Baba
Martian logic on your part.

Jealousy implies there is something I coveted from the Sopranos. There's nothing. I find it overrated shit.

I brought it up, because it is also a nicely budgeted, slick, talent-filled (though I don't see it shine through in the stories) HBO drama, just like DEADWOOD (which blows it away on every creative level), and to deny the Soprano's successful existence as a reason why a show like DEADWOOD could be made is cutting one's nose off to spite its face.

My slam is not "out of nowhere," but wholly valid and logical, quite unlike the silly claims levied by you.

Now, get back to me when you can actually debate the "jealousy" part.
listen to yourself. "Jealousy implies there is something I coveted from the Sopranos. There's nothing. I find it overrated shit". are you a fucking retard or something? you covet the sopranos success. if the sopranos wasn't successful you never would have made your ignorant remarks. the show is pretty much a phenomenon, something that deadwood will never be so "fuck the sopranos". ingenious reasoning!

the whole argument isn't whether or not your slam is valid and logical (although i would totally disagree), it's that it was utterly pointless not to mention petty and tasteless. you're trying to validate your claims because "it's overrated shit". i could really care less what you think about the sopranos and if you wanted to start a thread of why you dislike it so much i'd say go for it. this wasn't the thread for it. i was only agreeing with schwartz that there was absolutely no point in bringing down the sopranos so you can feel better about deadwood. now is that too difficult for you to grasp?
post #27 of 216
Did anyone catch what I can only guess was our first glimpse of Brian Cox's character in that third trailer?
post #28 of 216
Thread Starter 
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Did anyone catch what I can only guess was our first glimpse of Brian Cox's character in that third trailer?
Yeah I did, I can't wait to see what they do with him.
post #29 of 216
Definately looking forward to seeing Brian in the series but right now I am more anxious to see Gale Harold as Wyatt Earp. According to IMDB (I know) he will appear in the 8th episode.

Gale is a terrific actor and for those not familiar, Gale starred in Queer as Folk for five seasons and has also made appearances on The Unit and Law and Order: The SUV

Oh and one minor thing about Gale, he's good looking but of course that does not influence my interest in the least.



Nope, not at all
post #30 of 216
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Originally Posted by DrVenkman
Yeah I did, I can't wait to see what they do with him.
I agree. I've heard a few things about his role, but I won't spoil them here. However, since I heard he was announced, it's going to be incredibly frustrating to have to wait until DVD to see Cox go toe to to with McShane. It should be glorious.

Didn't know Earp was showing up. I hope at somepoint down the line we get Teddy Roosevelt, too.
post #31 of 216
Hell yes, Calamity Jane is back!

I love that character.
post #32 of 216
Mr. Wu COCKSUCKERS!!! (although for polite company, we might adopt "hoopleheads")

I need to get cable back before June. This, ROME and BIG LOVE; HBO rules my Sunday nights.
post #33 of 216
Weird. We've had Season 2 on DVD here in Aussie for a couple of months now. It sells VERY well, too, by the looks of things.

It only airs on one of the movie channels on cable here in 2-hour (2 episodes back to back) blocks. And being on a movie channel, the airing pattern is all over the place and it's hard to watch in any kind of continuity. I'd imagine, like me, alot of people caught an episode or two here and there, couldn't keep up or find out when the rest was airing, and then just bought the boxsets when they came out.

And such beautiful sets they are, too. Love the artwork.
post #34 of 216
I can't wait for the Wyatt Earp storyline. From what I've read, he tried to set himself up as lawman in Deadwood, which Bullock didn't appreciate too much. Angry and righteous Bullock is always entertaining.
post #35 of 216
The lack of Charlie Utter in those trailers is very disappointing.
post #36 of 216
The lack of Charlie can be summed up pretty easy, he is one ugly bastard. Everyone speaking/featured in the trailer is either fairly photogenic(Dickens,Parker,Malcomson,Olyphant) or interestingly featured(Doriff,McShane,Hawkes,Boothe) or god knows what(Weigert). Charlie is a great character but..
post #37 of 216
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Originally Posted by Giant Baba
No, however, you are a fucking moron with a big hard on being a Sopranos defender, then concocting conspiracy theories about people who don't like it. Additionally, backing up the moron assertion, you couldn't see a clear connection that someone would mention one in the same context with the other. Instead, you go off like Art Bell hopped up on amyl (sic?) nitrate excited over being at an Area 51 alien fuck party.





There you go again, going off. You've also outed yourself as someone who came in, made this "don't you go talkin' bad about the So-so pranos, Willis" crap, then slung insults first, and still haven't backed up those insults with anything close to actual facts. Instead, you just go off, bruised because someone drew a logical corolation between the shows and expressed THEIR OPINION that didn't jibe with yours. It was a one-off opinion and you had to take it, focus on it, then blow it way out of proportion because it bothered you.

You're welcomed to your opinion, but so am I, and I came into the thread to read about DEADWOOD but find myself having to school a fool with a high hard one for THE SOPRANOS who felt the need to zero in on ONE OPINION that isn't even the topic at hand.

I'll entertain you one last bit: I gave THE SOPRANOS 2 seasons to win me over. Not once, in any episode did it do that. Still, I gave it more chances than I'd ever given any show since, nor will ever give again. I found it suck city.

DEADWOOD, I gave one episode a chance. The first one. I expected to like it but go along my way and watch the others later. I didn't. I found myself glued to the fucking couch watching all 12 Season 1 episodes BACK TO FUCKING BACK over the course of (literally) half a day. I now wait for Season 2 to hit ON DEMAND, since I was living abroad, and the only way to see DEADWOOD would have been to download it, and frankly, I don't download a lot of tv, let alone shows I didn't know.

So, not only did it win me over, but I look forward to catching up with others here, watching Season 2 in a single sitting, and then, when Season 3 premiers, I'll most likely (if Season 2 is even 1 iota close to Season 1's quality) be able to watch it normally like the other fans.

Only OZ had that power. Only 4 shows in over 3 decades of television viewing won me over with such immediacy: (the original, superior) KOLCHAK: THE NIGHT STALKER, THE SIMPSONS, OZ and DEADWOOD.

Two of them were HBO productions, and one of them was the grand daddy that made most others possible.

HBO knows good original productions. I see why people like the Sopranos, and I don't attack them for liking it. I know WHY they like it. However, I see one loose cannon that maybe loves the show too much and has taken it upon themselves to try and hammer that I should love it to.

Guess what, you only make me hate it worse, since you have now created a stereotype I find myself applying to Sopranos zealots.

Congrats. That's no small accomplishment, cocksucker. (Am I cute? I made a DEADWOOD reference that you should find humor in, but probably won't).

It's time to move back to the topic, vato.

*****Interesting. I mentioned LOST too, but nobody went off on that.

So, any "jealousy" or feeling of being "threatened" has now been confirmed and displayed in your outrageous posts.
you sound like a gibbering child. yada, yada...art bell...area 51. ha, it's too funny. you must have a brain of a three year old. you can not comprehend the shit the comes out of your ass let alone a one line sentence. does somebody have to spell it out for you? i'm not trying to defend whether or not the sopranos is a high quality show, again I'M NOT DEFENDING THE QUALITY OF THE SOPRANOS, this isn't the thread for it. i told you to open up a thread for your undying jealousy and hatred towards the show if you really want to discuss it. go for it. i could care less. people can hate the show. it happen's.

and of course you're totally right, i obviously have a hard on for the sopranos because i agreed with someone when they asked if it was possible to show appreciation for one show without ripping on another. it was unwarranted (let me just clarify what i mean by unwarranted: i do not mean you are wrong for hating the sopranos, i mean this isn't the place to discuss it) to rip a show in a completely different shows thread. you are so fucking dense it's beyond belief. do you realize, the argument isn't "oh he's hating on the sopranos, bad man!", it could've been a show i fucking hate and i still would've agreed with schwartz. 7th heaven, stop the hate! charmed, NOOOOO! once again, is it possible to show appreciation for one show without ripping on another?

art bell...sure, and i'm the conspiracist! you got me there fox mulder. look at me...you're not the only one who knows their pop culture! what the fuck are you getting on with that i'm not backing up facts? what facts do i need to backup? i'm not debating whether the sopranos or anything else for the matter is something to die for. you're the man hammering home about "opinions". i gave a one line "opinion" and then you ranted on and on and on and on with a major case of the crybabies claiming i have hard on for a show you don't even know if i like! i didn't attempt to convert the unconverted and say anything along the lines that "the sopranos is the greatest show ever". nice job telling me about your love affair for deadwood and your failures with the sopranos. would you like a bickie for your accomplishments? it's like you're preaching to the choir. nice one bud! i already love deadwood and i've seen season 2! wow i'm special! you probably had a hard time noticing i'm a huge fan of deadwood but because of your deluded mind you probably think my specific goal to joining this thread was to hex the sopranos haters. again i'm here to talk about season 3 of deadwood, not to reign supreme on completely different matters, such as you.

on a final note..
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You're welcomed to your opinion, but so am I, and I came into the thread to read about DEADWOOD but find myself having to school a fool with a high hard one for THE SOPRANOS who felt the need to zero in on ONE OPINION that isn't even the topic at hand.
this right here proves the point i'm trying to make. this is a deadwood thread. so let's fucking discuss it! i made a comment, an OPINION, and you asked me to analyze it for you. yet, somehow, i'm the one zeroing in on opinions! by the way you never came in to talk about deadwood, you came in and said "hey man deadwood is awesome and fuck the sopranos!". pointless, pointless, pointless. i'm not the one who brought up the sopranos, YOU DID! now go back to listening to your art bell program before your head explodes.


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Originally Posted by moovyphreak
Hell yes, Calamity Jane is back!

I love that character.
you know when i started watching the show i absolutely hated her and was begging she would go through a slow and painful death but now i find her to be a total riot. she cracks me up pretty much every time she's on the screen, especially when she's with charlie. i hope the nigger general is back for season 3. he was so funny when he was with jane briefly last year. i can not wait to see what's in store with brian cox. the new season could be the best one yet.
post #38 of 216
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Originally Posted by Giant Baba
As for DEADWOOD: is the Gerry Jewel from Season 1 the same one from (shudder) THE FACTS OF LIFE???
Give the man a Cigar. The Handicapped actress from the "Fats" of Life did indeed get another job.


And this show is fucking (All deadwood praise requires swearing) fantastic.
post #39 of 216
This may be it for the show. I just read on the cnn site that the show is probably not going to get picked up for another season and that the actors have been released to take other jobs.
post #40 of 216
What the fuck?!?!

I'll say it because of instinct, and because I don't want to see it happen. David Milch moving from NYPD Blue to Deadwood to a bloody surfing show, not buying it. And why would they pick up a third season, bring on new people(Cox, Harold) and then drop it before the season even runs.

Hbo having Sopranos on its way out, and Deadwood being one of the more sure things right now....

I must say if the third season was the designed end and its supposed to be like this I'll be just fine.
post #41 of 216
Not thrilled about this being the final season. But it should go out on top.

Plus, at least Rome is coming back.
post #42 of 216
And The Wire.
post #43 of 216
Hopefully it does well and then they ask people back for a 4th season maybe after an 18th monh gap or something.

Or, it could be a smoke screen to the fact that plenty of characters are going to die this year and they want everything to be uncertain regarding spoilers (like with Lost and a character getting a new job before she had officially died on the show).
post #44 of 216
That is a bizarre decision, seeing as how the show's never been more popular and not a single episode of the new season has aired. Certainly doesn't make sense for it to be as simple as HBO losing faith in the show, there must be something else going on. Looks like we'll be looking at a longer wait for season 4 at least.

And by the way Baba, congrats on "schooling a fool" with a hard-on for the Sopranos. Now if you can just do the same for 50 million others around the world and every TV critic in America, you'll have really accomplished something.
post #45 of 216
I can't wait for the new season. I'm a huge fan of the show. It just keeps getting better. Actually, when I first watched the show, I thought it was silly. Nothing really came together for me, and I wouldn't have continued watching the show if my family hadn't already decided to watch it each week. When Wild Bill died, which only I knew was coming, we almost stopped watching, but kept at it. By the time the season closed, I was hooked. Season two was a masterpiece. I loved every episode.

Obviously my favorite character is Swearengen, but I think a large part of that is his relationships with the other characters of the Gem. The way they all function as a sort of hyper-dysfunctional family is just priceless. While I don't think I was alone with being annoyed at Jane for a while, I think the character has really come together, and I think she's one of the best characters now. Overall I think the preacher from season one was probably my least favorite character of the series. He was a bit one-note, and his descent into mania was a tool to trigger reactions in other characters rather than set his own arc. Trixie can sometimes be a bit forced, though she works more often than not. Otherwise, every character is uniformly excellent.

For the next season, I'm anticipating Joannie and Jane jointly reopening the brothel, since the real Jane ran a brothel at some point in her life. The shaky-eyed "whale," Mose, will probably work as their bouncer, since he seemed reluctant to leave at the end of the season and I assume has lost all his money to Cy. I hope that actor lost some weight in between the seasons. He's looking pretty unhealthy these days.

I wonder if, since we know that Deadwood never became a thriving metropolis, if we'll see Swearengen's plans for the camp hit some snags. As I recall, he's ended each season on top, so I wonder if they'll start an interesting downward spiral for our pal Al this time round.

I also wonder if, now that both Bullock and Alma Garret both have spouses in camp, their relationship will cool as well.
post #46 of 216
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Originally Posted by BillJohnson
This may be it for the show. I just read on the cnn site that the show is probably not going to get picked up for another season and that the actors have been released to take other jobs.
Here's the official bit:

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In news that might be kind of a shock for fans, it looks like the upcoming third season of Deadwood might be the last.

HBO is letting the cast "explore their options," which bascially means that they are free to consider other options. In fact, creator/writer David Milch is exploring his own option, concentrating on a new surfer drama for HBO titled John From Cincinnati.

More on this as it develops ...
Source: http://www.tvsquad.com/
post #47 of 216
I hate to bring this up considering I'm a big fan of this series but could one of the reasons we won't be getting a season 4 is that HBO execs were disappointed with season 3?

I hope this is not the case but what other reason could it be?
post #48 of 216
So fucking sad. If they actually do this, I might be done with HBO, because I can't be getting hooked on this shit and having it taken away cold turkey, like some fucking crack fiend. Goddamn them
post #49 of 216
The likely reason is rumors of HBO's plans to get away from hour long drama and into more lucrative (read dumbed down) entertainment, ala Lucky Louie. The Deadwood boards are all over this thing. Check em out if you're so inclined.
post #50 of 216
showtime is amateur hour compared to hbo. huff and weeds are about the only decent things to come from it and if they were on hbo they'd be at the bottom of the barrel.

it pretty much sucks that hbo haven't renewed the actors contracts for beyond season 3. the situation, to me, looks more along the lines of what happened to carnivale. deadwood is probably too expensive to produce.
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