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Review: X-Men 3: The Last Stand
Dir: Brett Ratner

Starring: Patrick Stewart, Hugh Jackman, Ian McKellen, Halle Berry, Famke Janssen, Anna Paquin, Kelsey Grammer.

Let’s start this review off with a bit of internet rumour and hyperbole; hey you should be used to this as a regular internet user! You see back in its early development X3’s director was Bryan Singer, the director of the original two movies. Meanwhile elsewhere in Hollywood the beleaguered production of the new Superman movie was being helmed by Brett Ratner. Soon though and under the usual cover of “Creative Differences” Ratner left Superman while Bryan Singer was given the offer to take over Superman from the now departed Ratner, he left the project, taking with him most of the production staff.Soon, after it was announced by a proud Warner Bros press release that Singer had signed on with Superman, 20th Century Fox announced that they had signed Ratner to X3 and a fixed release date was set for the movie that put it in direct competition with Superman.

It was clear; the gloves were off between the two companies and the race began.

Now the first over the line arrives, X3.

In this case it is not a good thing because straight from the off, X3 feels under cooked and could have done with some more time in the development oven. Yet given the production history and rumoured animosity between 20th Century Fox and Bryan Singer you could be forgiven for coming away from this film feeling that the studio actually deliberately set out to shit on Singers legacy of the previous two films and kill the franchise he so passionately created in the first place in a fit of pique.

The film is a mess of half baked storylines any one of which could have easily filled a film in its own right. First off we find out that mutation is spreading and that now a pharmaceutical company has developed a “cure” for mutation. From here we get the second story line which was the “fan favourite” suggested by Singer at the close of X-Men 2, namely the return of Jean Grey as the elemental force of nature Phoenix and finally we have the evil Magneto raising an army of mutants to finally take over the world.

In any other director and writers hands any of these stories would have made a fine film with plenty of scope for subtexts about racism, xenophobia and the pain of being different, that laced the previous movies to continue amongst the spandex clad super heroics. But sadly Ratner, who directed such “classics” as bad Rush Hour, the eye wateringly brain dead Rush Hour 2 and the barely passable remake of Michael Mann’s Manhunter, Red Dragon, basically tries to cram as much as he can in as fast as he can with the obvious intention of making a fan pleaser by giving us many different mutants and lots of set pieces with big FX moments.
But sadly what it has in enthusiasm it lacks in emotion, characterisation, logic and cohesion of story. Gone is the subtlety in the previous scripts that gave us characters to care about, gone is the interesting dynamic of Professor X’s Martin Luther King style leader against Magneto’s Malcolm X style radical leader, both aiming for the same goal but with wildly different philosophies and methods… Gone, is the logic and more importantly, by the end of the film, gone, are most of the major characters; either disposed off by death or by being “cured” which reverts the mutant permanently to a powerless human. This casual dismissal of characters built up with care over two movies is bad enough, but the fact that there is no one with an ounce of personality to fill in leaves the movie bereft of anyone to root for beyond Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine and Halle Berry’s Storm.

The script by Simon Kinberg who wrote the bloody awful xXx2 & Zak Penn, who wrote the crapfests that were, the last action hero, Inspector Gadget, and Electra , is risible and lacks charm, wit and any level of intelligence shown by the previous two movies. You know you’re on shaky ground script wise when the sharpest lines that try and raise a laugh involve the hulking Juggernaut, played Vinnie Jones, uncannily channelling the acting ability of Bonzo the Chimp from Bedtime for Bonzo, demanding to be let out of his prison cell because “Oim dyin’ fer a wee”.

Given such a paper thin script with such a muddled premise, you can forgive the actors for less than stellar performances, Jackman gets the lion’s share of the running time but spends most of it scowling and reciting “hard boiled” lines that would have been deemed corny in the average episode of TJ Hooker. Halle Berry’s pleading for more screen time after X2 must have landed in the right ear as she gets to do a lot more than look worried in a white wig. Now she is given the nominal leader role after Patrick Stewart’s Professor X is moved out of the action. In his brief screen time, Stewart is clearly on autopilot and the far away look in his eye can clearly be attributed to a nice pay check for doing little more than sit in a chair and bark the odd order. As Magneto, Ian McKellen, hams up the evil villain role with plenty of relish but much like Stewart, you get a vibe that really this is simply a pay day and thanks to standing in a cape blandly reciting lines, somewhere in rural England there is a nice conservatory being built. The rest of the actors get next to nothing to do, Anna Paquin, so good in the previous movies as Rogue is sidelined with a malnourished love triangle subplot and then eventually removed from the screen altogether. James Master’s Cyclops barely sees out the opening credits before he vanishes for good and Famke Janssen as Phoenix does very, very little until she gets some telekinetic action which usually requires her to do… um… nothing except a bit of glaring.
This if you had any love of the original and the first sequel, is exactly what you’ll be doing as this appalling waste of time plods its dreary way across the screen. As the film wends its way to a dull finale, (a ludicrous showdown at a secret research lab where the cure is made from the DNA of a mutant, which in a perfect example of dumb movie plotting is actually on Alcatraz Island and features in a televised news report, so much for secrecy then), you can not help but feel sad for an opportunity grossly wasted; while angry at the blatant hack job done by Ratner who ranks up there along with Paul WS “a.k.a. the shit one” Anderson for cinematic crimes against humanity, considering that both have now managed to take existing franchises and irrevocably cripple them with a half assed entries (Anderson especially with Alien vs. Predator), rushed out by 20th Century Fox to make a quick buck off the fan base.

Avoid this film if you treasure the memories of the previous films, and if you do see it, stick around till the final credits have rolled for the ultimate in hoary tacked on, we’ve lost our nerve, cop out twists.

Personally I’d just ignore this film and go see Slither instead.
post #2 of 71
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Originally Posted by Lee
Juggernaut, played Vinnie Jones, uncannily channelling the acting ability of Bonzo the Chimp from Bedtime for Bonzo, demanding to be let out of his prison cell because “Oim dyin’ fer a wee”.

I'm sold.
post #3 of 71
People just want the movie to fail, they have it baked into their heads thats it gonna suck because the same reasons that have been hammered into our heads for a year. I'm not listening to a single review, I'm seeing it for myself. Even if the plot ends up blowing, If the action delivers like the trailers seem to indicate, it's still gonna be better than X-men 1, which was just a set up for it sequels and action that good but not amazing.
post #4 of 71
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Originally Posted by mattcruise
People just want the movie to fail, they have it baked into their heads thats it gonna suck because the same reasons that have been hammered into our heads for a year. I'm not listening to a single review, I'm seeing it for myself. Even if the plot ends up blowing, If the action delivers like the trailers seem to indicate, it's still gonna be better than X-men 1, which was just a set up for it sequels and action that good but not amazing.
Is it any wonder that the summer blockbuster is in crisis, when people are looking forward to seeing movies and not only expecting mediocrity, but making excuses for it in advance?
post #5 of 71
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Originally Posted by mattcruise
People just want the movie to fail, they have it baked into their heads thats it gonna suck because the same reasons that have been hammered into our heads for a year. I'm not listening to a single review, I'm seeing it for myself. Even if the plot ends up blowing, If the action delivers like the trailers seem to indicate, it's still gonna be better than X-men 1, which was just a set up for it sequels and action that good but not amazing.
As a wise man once said Denial isnt just a river in egypt.....

You haven't seen X3, I have... I went to a screening that didnt cost me money and so on that basis alone I should have been positively biased towards it... but its rubbish pure and simple...

The damn film kills off or robs us of almost all major characters it would be like Wrath of Khan not only losing spock, but Kirk, McCoy, Scotty, Chekov, Sulu and the enterprise... leaving us with Yeoman Rand and Uhura to carry on the franchise...

Its bad people... and comparing it to X1 or 2 is like looking at Empire Strikes back and then saying Phantom Menace is in the same league....
post #6 of 71
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Originally Posted by mattcruise
People just want the movie to fail, they have it baked into their heads thats it gonna suck because the same reasons that have been hammered into our heads for a year. I'm not listening to a single review, I'm seeing it for myself. Even if the plot ends up blowing, If the action delivers like the trailers seem to indicate, it's still gonna be better than X-men 1, which was just a set up for it sequels and action that good but not amazing.
Wow, you're such a rebel.
post #7 of 71
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Originally Posted by mattcruise
Even if the plot ends up blowing, If the action delivers like the trailers seem to indicate, it's still gonna be better than X-men 1, which was just a set up for it sequels and action that good but not amazing.
.....you're Satan, aren't you?
post #8 of 71
There's not much in that review that couldn't have been written based on what's been revealed about the film so far.
post #9 of 71
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
There's not much in that review that couldn't have been written based on what's been revealed about the film so far.
Richard, you're not *gasp* implying he MADE IT UP, are you?

Why would ANYONE do that???
post #10 of 71
Just commenting on the lack of specifics is all.
post #11 of 71
I don't think the "I'm dying for a wee" line has been reported anywhere else.
post #12 of 71
People shouldn't blame Ratner too much if this movie turns out bad. It seems like he didn't have a whole lot to work with script-wise and very little pre-production time to try and get it improved.

Still, it'll be a rental for me, just like the first two.
post #13 of 71
Yeah Lee, why, why did you make it up, man? You just hate movies, don't you? I bet you hated LITTLE MAN too.
post #14 of 71
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
Just commenting on the lack of specifics is all.
Ok well thats a fair enough point... I feel I can address this in spoiler text which you can swipe if you dont care about ruining the film some what...

SPOILER AHOY (HIGHLIGHT TO READ)


One of the first indications that Ratner or perhaps Fox are out to shaft the franchise is the implied demise of Cyclops within 15 mins of the film starting. James Masters does very little except cry, ride off on a bike to Alkalai Lake, roar loudly and fire his optic blasts in to the water possibly causing the resurrection of Phoenix, although that is never made clear. After a few seconds of gawping at Phoenix, Cyclops kisses her and she does what I later started calling the death face, which involves her looking like a corpse with flaming eyes... after that we never see Cyclops again... ok we see his floating glasses but thats about it.

In the rescue of Mystique, who was apparently caught imitating Bill Dukes wasted turn as presidential advisor Trask, Magneto and Pyro also unlock Multiple Man (who does what it says on the tin) and Jugganaut. Although a guard on the convoy transporting all three has a gun which can inject the cure in to mutants changing them normal instantly. Mystique saves Magneto by taking the bullet for him and changes in to the naked Rebbeca Romajin (SP?) after which Magneto instantly abandons her because "she is not one of us" which considering the implied relationship between Mystique and Magneto in the past two films is a bit insulting.

Professor X is the next character to be royally shafted in a psychic battle of wills with Phoenix, in Jean Grey's old parents home which basically turns him to dust though not before lifting the house 20ft off the foundations as the two psychics fight it out... The opening to this scene mirroring an earlier flashback to the professor (who could walk at the time) and Magneto (with dark hair) recruiting Jean when she was very young. As the prof and phoenix slug it out, trashing the house in the process, Wolverine & Storm are fighting with Calisto, who's powers are being able to detect mutants and run very fast, and Juggernaut who spends the fight kicking Wolvie around like a bitch. It is also worth noting the embarrasing digital younging up of Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan in the Jean Grey flashback scene as they look either plastic or their digitally smoothed heads wobble all over the place.

The inclusion of Angel is pointless as he basically has little to do which isnt already seen in the trailer, beyond a moment after the Professor bites the big one, when the main cast are all feeling down at the loss and Beast suggests closing the Xavier School down, Angel appears and asks if theres a place to stay as he was told it was safe, prompting Storm to take charge.

The only reason angel is in the film is as a motivation for his father to develop the mutant cure... which in the end Angel refuses to have trialed on him, hence the moment in the trailer with the wings springing out and him jumping out the window. Angel later rescues his father from the final showdown at his fathers Alcatraz base, but even then the guy who plays him doesnt say a word and if he was paid £10 per word of script he would have got about £120 tops.

Oh yeah Magneto is defeated by Wolverine and Beast working together to inject Magneto with 5 needles of "Cure" which renders him useless, although there is a final scene with Magneto moving a metal chess piece very very very slightly which suggests that he may get his powers back...

Rogue gets sidelined with a pointless love triangle in which she believes that Iceman is falling for Shadowkat, not true but never the less you never really care as its all covered in slight glances, an accusation that Iceman "only wants one thing" and eventually Rogue gets herself deliberately cured so she can touch him at the end, once again crushing the subtext of be yourself, dont cave in to pressure, different is good... now its.. Be the same as everyone and you'll get your way... But to be honest by the time Rogue reappears to touch Iceman nigh on an hour has passed and you couldnt care less... Again like Masters as Cyclops, Anna paquin is totally sidelined and removed from all the action.

Then we have Phoenix who is killed by Wolverine... Theres two shitty things here, one being the fact that we suddenly discover that Jean Grey and Phoenix are two identities in one mind and Professor X has caged the Phoenix in Jeans head, but her near death experience under Alkalai lake, dismissed with "She must have made a psychic shield to protect herself" has released The Phoenix, and after Prof X is killed by Phoenix, initially goaded in to action by Magneto (another stupid moment, with the prof saying one thing while Magneto shouts over him something totally different and the Prof letting him). She joins the brotherhood, but after that she does nothing at all until the showdown on Alcatraz. Which results in what remains of the minor bad guys getting dusted like the prof, most of Alcatraz being blown away and the water in the harbour being raised up over the island much the same way as Nick Nolte did at the end of the Hulk. Wolverine weathers the storm, apparently even though every single thing around her is wiped out in milliseconds, Adamantium is impervious to god like beings.... Wolvie walks slowly through the psychic storm, having his clothes and bits of skin continually blown off, before, Jean see's Logan suffering and regains control enough to ask him to kill her... Which he does....

I'll leave it there for the moment


END OF SPOILERS FOR THE MOMENT
I can give more and more info if you'd like... The screening was at 7:30 at the Empire Leicester Square in london on Friday 12th May, I have a image of the ticket (not off Aint it cool I can stick my watch and calendar beside it if you wish) I also have the stupid promo pamphlet which has the fantastic line in the description of Magneto which says, he can control all metal no matter how big... He can even lift a bridge...

Gasp I wonder what's going to happen next...

Anyway I hope the huge spoilers inside give my review some credibility, I was trying to avoid giving too much away in it.. but if reading the spoilers stops you from seeing this pile of garbage then I'd say go for it.....
post #15 of 71
I'm not assigning ulterior motives or saying he's trying to sabotage the movie. I just need to see more than one random line to accept this as the view of someone who has seen the film.

EDIT: And now the Lee has provided specifics, I'm satisfied.
post #16 of 71
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
I'm not assigning ulterior motives or saying he's trying to sabotage the movie. I just need to see more than one random line to accept this as the view of someone who has seen the film.

EDIT: And now the Lee has provided specifics, I'm satisfied.
Thats cool... I'm glad, because like I said I was trying to avoid major spoilers in the review but I see now that could easily backfire...

One quote not reported anywhere for those who dont want spoilers but want proof which is the best line from Wolverine....

"Good luck growing those back"

Which you'll see is reasonably amusing but thats setting the bar pretty low when you see the line in context...
post #17 of 71
Jesus, that sounded even worse than what I have seen in the preview and clips.

Quick question: James "Masters"?
post #18 of 71
Sounds like a pile of shit to me, but my 12 year old boy is gonna want to see it, so I'll have to suffer through this for him. It's a real damn shame. Why the fuck did they get Brett Ratner? What about Alex Proyas or Joss Whedon? Or, why not even delay it until Singer finished "Superman Returns"?
From this review alone I can see that it's been unforgivably, fucked up royally. I knew deep down it would be. Such a fucking crying shame.
I knew I was gonna hate this when I heard that they hired Brett "Hack for hire" Ratner to do it. Now I'm sure of it.
Such a fucking shame.
post #19 of 71
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Originally Posted by detonathor
Jesus, that sounded even worse than what I have seen in the preview and clips.

Quick question: James "Masters"?
doh!

I meant Marsden..... Note to self dont reply while half watching Buffy on TV


before I log off for a while let me leave you with the crap-tastic twist at the end of the credits.... in SPOILER SWIPE-O-VISION below...


Early in the film Prof X is giving a talk on eithics to some mutants and wonders about the ethical dilemma of, say, a telepath moving their conscience in to the mind of a brain dead patient as a kind of rabbit bolt hole in times of extreme peril. On the video behind the prof you see said brain dead patient laying on a hospital bed.
Fastforward to the credits rolling at the end... then as the screen goes black we cut to the hospital room with the Brain dead patient who turns to the nurse and in Patrick Stewarts voice calls her name.... oh joy of joys the prof isnt dead. He just ruined his own arguement about controling and not abusing your power....


At that point I shouted to the people on the row in front who were whooping and clapping to stop because that "Twist" was insulting bollocks! Cue interesting heated discussion....
post #20 of 71
Okay, that twist made it ten times more worse than it should be.
post #21 of 71
I usually avoid spoilers like the plague but with this film I cannot seem to give a shit anymore.

So, it seems they've screwed up big time when it comes to the story and characters. How is the action department and are the effects as poor as they've been in the promos? Not that it matters much as I've decided to skip seeing this film in the cinemas.
post #22 of 71
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theres some impressive FX and some ropy as fuck FX... which pretty much sums up the action too.... the action sequences are in the main pretty dreary, the opening action sequence (which the "fastball special" clip shown on Leno and distributed around the net) kinda sums it up nicely....

All bluster and FX a go go (BTW Colossus isnt THAT bad compared to the unfinished crap seen in the leno clip and that guy in a sliver suit image that leaked a few months back) but strangely uninvolving and lacking spark that made, say, the fight in the mansion from X2 so thrilling....

And while on the subject of X2's mansion scene, it totally eclipses the end showdown between the Brotherhood of mutants and the six X-Men defending the human staff... There is a scene where Wolverine aims to find Phoenix and infiltrate the Brotherhood's camp which starts off promising enough with a typical snick snick slice em dice em action in the forest, but that's pretty short lived and any kudos from that brief moment gets wiped out, with the trailer moment, golden gate bridge trick....

Which again I'll explain in spoiler text

Magneto, Phoenix and co are going to invade the Alcatraz base to kill the mutant "Leech" who is the source of the mutation cure... So rather than fly over as Magneto has done many times or use Phoenix to move the troops over because we've already seen her lift houses, cars, and in the scene when Wolvie and Storm find out that Cyclops is dead, Phoenix was levitating thousands of stones around Alkalai lake... So ignoring all of this for a bit of trailer WOW action, Magneto basically detatches the golden gate bridge from its pillars, floats it down the river and over to alcatraz island, where he uses it to bridge the mainland to the island .... presumably to let the rest of the brotherhood over to attack... then in the worst continuity I've ever seen, he walks off the bridge to engage the troops on the island, but in the meantime in the 5 feet he walks to the end of the bridge its gone from mid afternoon to night and all the cars trapped on the bridge (abandoned when the humans saw the brotherhood stomping up swatting cars aside) conveniently have switched on their head lights... to make a nice night shot of the newly placed golden gate spanning the gap between alcatraz and the shore.

*sigh*
post #23 of 71
Holy crap.
post #24 of 71
I am sad and disappointed, though unsurprised. I've said from almost the beginning that they were going to piss all over the first two, and look! I was right!
post #25 of 71
To play the skeptic, every single detail in your "specific plot points" can be easily attained visiting superherohype.com. Including "Oim dyin' for a wee."
post #26 of 71
He sounds pretty damn convincing to me.
post #27 of 71
Skeptic?

What motivation could Lee possibly have for fabricating some story about having gone to see the movie, then coming here and spending a significant amount of time typing a review and then attempting to prove to skeptics that he actually saw it? Just to dissuade us from seeing the movie because he hates Ratner that much? Either Lee is honestly trying to warn against what promises to be a turd sandwich of a film, or his life is incredibly, incredibly sad, in which case, being him would be punishment enough (i.e. as opposed to being criticized on these message boards)
post #28 of 71
Nah, I believe him. It *feels* true.
post #29 of 71
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Originally Posted by Edinburgh
Skeptic?

What motivation could Lee possibly have for fabricating some story about having gone to see the movie, then coming here and spending a significant amount of time typing a review and then attempting to prove to skeptics that he actually saw it? Just to dissuade us from seeing the movie because he hates Ratner that much? Either Lee is honestly trying to warn against what promises to be a turd sandwich of a film, or his life is incredibly, incredibly sad, in which case, being him would be punishment enough (i.e. as opposed to being criticized on these message boards)
It's the Aint-It-Cool-News mentality. Personally, I think he's telling the truth. As you said, there's not much to gain from faking a movie review. But some people -- and that site is a reigning example -- do get some kind of thrill in doing it.
post #30 of 71
As someone born and raised in the SF Bay area, that bit with Alcatraz and The Golden Gate bridge sounds like comedy gold.
Sadly, I have a feeling it is not intended that way.
If true, this just confirms the my belief that Ratner is going to totally ruin this film.
post #31 of 71
hardly shocking.
post #32 of 71
I have had enough of the Last Action Hero bashing.

It is the most misunderstood movie possibly ever. It is actually quite a fun spoof of Arnold's own self and the genre that he existed in as a movie star.

Oh, and yea everyone wants xmen 3 to fail. I am sure in the end it will just be passable, and audiences will eat it up.
post #33 of 71
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It's the Aint-It-Cool-News mentality. Personally, I think he's telling the truth. As you said, there's not much to gain from faking a movie review. But some people -- and that site is a reigning example -- do get some kind of thrill in doing it.
To be honest I don't know what to say to possibly convince anyone I'm not a Ratner hating, minion of Warner Bros desperately trying to bring down a movie to clear the way for Superman Returns...

I know what you mean about the Aint it cool... "look at me I posted first" attitude.... but frankly if I was honestly that sad, I'm sure I'd have posted more glowing or hatefilled review and really would I have dropped this review in to Chud if I could get more sad kudos posting it to Aint it cool?

If you want to ask me a specific question about this then by all means do so and I'll happily fill in any blanks...

And a final mini spoiler to hopefully quell any doubts. Its regarding the line about "Growing them back"

SPOILER

The line comes from a moment in the fight on Alcatraz island, when Wolverine is fighting an unnammed mutant. Wolvie cuts this guy to ribbons, lopping arms off, but the guy keeps growing the limbs back and punching Logan with the newly, rapidly grown limbs; so this slice,grow limb back,punch, routine goes on for about 30 seconds and finally the regrow guy backs away from Logan and goads him with something like "that all you got?" to which Logan kicks him square between the legs with a big ol kick. The regrow guy goes down like a sack of potatoes, at which point Wolverine looks down at the groaning form and says "Try growing those back"


Anyway, a little short of going through the film scene by scene I'll just have to answer any questions you have.....

And frankly anyone who is doggedly hanging on to the hope that X3 will match the previous two I'll simply say this.... Its not... I'm sorry if you dont want to hear that, but it simply doesnt stand up to the comparison... I'm sure that theres some fan wank moments like the Sentinel briefly seen in the opening Danger Room scene and various mutants making their appearance like Spyke (who I've only seen in X-Men Evolution as a good guy who can create.. um... Spikes... from his arms, but in this film is simply a bad guy to get killed by Wolverine in the forest hideout of the brotherhood of mutants)... but at the end of the day is simply not a good movie...

If someone goes to the cinema and likes it then fine... no biggy, good for them, but personally had I paid to see this film I would be more anti it now than I already am....
post #34 of 71
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Originally Posted by ChickenStu
Why the fuck did they get Brett Ratner? What about Alex Proyas or Joss Whedon?
Because they wanted a director for hire who would just point and shoot without asking for any rewrites or creative input whatsoever. The studio had a release date that would trump Superman Returns and that was all that really mattered. That's the way the insider stories go, at least. That's why, as hackish and lame as Ratner is, I'm not sure how much blame he can take for the whole of the movie. He had his marching orders and he couldn't change them if he wanted his check and his credit. This review certainly backs up the early script reviews and adds even more hate fucking than was originally reported. I'd like to get a definative answer on who was responsible for the direction of this film because they certainly seemed to want nothing more than to kill the franchise. There's no excuse to kill/ruin this many major characters unless you want to make sure the X-Men are done.
post #35 of 71
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Originally Posted by Edinburgh
...or his life is incredibly, incredibly sad, in which case, being him would be punishment enough (i.e. as opposed to being criticized on these message boards)
Yeah, I know Lee. He is that sad. And his life sucks.
post #36 of 71
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Originally Posted by sackley
Yeah, I know Lee. He is that sad. And his life sucks.
And you are?
post #37 of 71
Sackley. You know, from Manchester.
post #38 of 71
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Oh well that says everything.....

thanks for that
post #39 of 71
Lee, why are you crying?
post #40 of 71
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Well you can take a couple of guesses....

a) Sackley has uncovered my secret and revealed it to an uncaring world

b) I'm sobbing because I cant get the sheer bloody awfulness of X-3 out of my head.

c) I'm crying because X-3 sullies the memory of X1 and X2 even if you try to ignore it... In the same way that you pay to have a glorious landscape garden put in, then you top it off with a nice patio and porch and then later you find out your parents had dirty sex on that patio while you were out...

d) all of the above...
post #41 of 71
So it's not because we're scaring you and we're sick and you hope we never get well?
post #42 of 71

Question

Is there anything in the movie that refers to the Fatal Attractions series of comics? Like Wolverine having his body stripped of the adamantium?
post #43 of 71
Those comics were awful. We're lucky if that's not in the movie.
post #44 of 71
I can almost smell the hologram covers!
post #45 of 71
Did Rob Liefeld do those?
post #46 of 71

Question

The reason I asked is because I had heard that Wolverine gets his adamantium removed in the movie. At the end of course. I hope it's not true, but just wondering.
post #47 of 71
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Well it is a spoiler but at this point I think it doesnt matter much....

Aw hell I can't do it... ok here it is in Black Swipe-o-vision


Wolverine doesnt get all of his skeleton revealed but it does occasionally show through in the final showdown with Phoenix.

Basically Phoenix has gone loco on Alcatraz island and is now turning everything to dust while lifting water up around the island as a huge bubble (for no apparent reason I could fathom, other than someone said hey wouldnt it be cool if....)

During this scene we see lots of mutants get dusted and Wolverine tells Storm to get everyone off the island, which seems rather difficult as the X-Jet gets dusted, all the buildings get dusted and you'd have to safely assume that the part of the bridge touching the island would also have suffered the same fate.

Anyway, Wolverine stomps towards Phoenix who then concentrates her power on Wolverine, and instantly blows 90% of his suit off, cue hormonal women taking a deep breath as Wolvie almost ends up in the buff. Then as he gets closer to Phoenix she pounds him with more psychic force and blows his skin off... now that sounds dramatic, but essentially because wolverine heals so quickly in this scene, it basically looks like he's trailing some pink confetti behind him. We get the occasional close up during this walk towards Phoenix, which basically shows bits of his skull appearing as the skin is blown off and then vanishing behind the rapidly healing skin.... but do we see the whole skeleton... no..

The worst thing about this scene (other than the lack of skeleton) is the stupid concete that while Phoenix can instantly dust, buildings, people, cars, jets and just about anything else including powerful psychics like Professor X, she can not dust Adamantium, or Wolverine fast enough that his healing ability can't keep up...


I hope that answers your question... and sticks another nail in this films coffin...

Interestingly Fox PR are getting in touch with people who were given the tickets for this screening asking for an opinion on it..... I wonder what kind of response they will get...
post #48 of 71
See, he's a crybaby too...
post #49 of 71
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*yawn*

Oh I'm sorry there I was thinking you had something interesting to say....

Perhaps you'd like a stick so you can flog that joke to death some more...

If you really know me, then tell me who you are...

*shrug*
post #50 of 71
I find this all really interesting. Thanks for the info, Lee.
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