X Men 4? - Page 2

Make him join up with the young muties coming of age to fight some other menace then and you essentially have yourself the makings of a New Mutants movie.

They have the Wolverine spin-off to fuck up first.

My point is that every storyline the third film dealt with was taken to its logical conclusion, no matter how poorly executed. Any storyline they carry on would simply feel like a retread of familiar ground.

i had heard that this wrapped up magneto.

it didn't really, but maybe they could skip him for a movie.

because this one made so much money they're definatley making two more.

i had heard rumors of an apocalypse 4th movie.
they brought angel in, so they get him becoming archangel.

and maybe theyll bring cyclops back. we're not SURE he's dead. y'know?

Outside of Dark Pheonix, I don't think there is much in the way of closure with the events of THE LAST STAND. The cure, perminant or not, is still around. Magneto looks to be getting his powers back. Xavier is still floating around on the fringes of the living.

Maybe they should do a prequel, bridging the gap between the first five minutes of "X-Men 3" and the original film. I want to see Beast, Cyclops and Storm -- all played by younger actors -- being recruited by Magneto and Xavier. Also, the construction of Cerebro, the founding of the School for Gifted Youngsters and the falling out between Magneto and Xavier I think would make for an interesting Wolverine-less flick.

Well I know a film showing a younger Magneto/Xavier was rumored, but I haven't heard anything new on that front in a while. FOX is going to have to be careful not to MATRIX these movies to the point where the public is bored by them. Between a solo Wolverine film and a 4th X-MEN I think it will be a while before the franchise goes the prequel route.

Leech is in the care of the X-Men, or even possibly cured, so that strikes me as closure to that storyline. Bringing Xavier back at the end of the film gives me a sense of closure over that, had they not shown him alive it would have been a different matter. Really, the only thing left hanging is Cyclops, if we are to assume that he may still be around somewhere.

If Magneto got his powers back and appeared as the villain in the fourth film, would the audience need to have seen the third film? I would argue not.

They should adapt Tsutomu Nihei's Snikt!.

The Wolverine movie is a prequel.

Even with Leech in the care of the X-Men I still don't see an indication that the cure isn't available. There was an entire Worthington lab, Pyro proivided explosion aside, that was giving the cure to mutants.

The end of the film essentially says that Magneto is coming back with powers. In what capacity, as a villain or changed ally, we don't really know.

To clarify, I was speaking in regards to the Magneto/Xavier "How did the X-Men/mutant struggle" begin prequel ideas.

Considering the reconciliation betweeen Angel and his father, and considering they killed Rao, who I assume engineered the cure, I doubt they'll be manufacturing more of the stuff. And without Leech, how would they be able to anyway?

But a cure like that goes a bit beyond just 2 people. They weren't really the only people in charge of giving the cure. Not everyone with access to that stuff is going to feel 100% changed on their opinion of mutants.

Besides, that stuff is going to be worth a fortune on the black market.

If they decided to include Gambit in a possible fourth film, Fox couldn't go wrong if they decided to cast the man below.



And if they really wanted to nail the French aspect of the character, they could always cast Vincent Cassel.

If Worthington has a controlling interest in his own company, which would logically be the case, then they're not going to be making any more of the stuff. AND THEY DON'T HAVE LEECH!

Come on, this is getting silly now.

Oh moovy, there's a candidate who could do so much better than those two, especially the accent.

That's just a far too easy way to handle the situation. When something that powerful has been made and is already in the hands of the government it is not going to be voided out because one rich guy has bonded with his son.

Who is this better candidate you speak of?

In the words of Arnold Vosloo: "Boudreaux, Boudreaux, Boudreaux."

It is if that company is the sole manufacturer of the thing. They no longer have their means of making it, i.e. Leech, and the government looked pretty repentent at the end of the movie. And at any rate, why would you base the fourth movie on a premise you've already used? That's absolutely retarded.

I'm not saying base the entire movie around it. But if they try and explain the cure away in a one-sentence "Good thing the cure isn't around anymore" line then that would be as bad as a lot of the stuff already in THE LAST STAND.

German does not pass for Cajun.

Wait, who's German?

Brett Ratner could have fun with a Deadpool movie, methinks.

Edit: I think he thinks you meant Arnold Vosloo.

Oh, good heavens no. I'm sure there's some character Vosloo could play though. Besides, he's South African.

Heh, I thought he was Dutch.

If X-Men was an 80s/early 90s movie, Rutger Hauer would have made an awesome Magneto.

That's exactly who my friends and I always said should play him when we talked about casting an X-Men film back then. I also always wanted to see Albert Finney play Xavier, especially after seeing him bald in Annie. Dolph Lundgren always got mentioned as Colossus, but we never could agree on Wolverine -- some said Mel Gibson, and one said Stallone. We didn't talk much to him after that.

Apocalypse, maybe, but not as blue. Sentinels certainly. Cure slowly reversing, giving us interesting subplots for Rogue and Mystique. Magneto/Xavier withheld until the second or third act. Marginal roles for Wolverine and Storm. Beast in teaching position. Focus on "WB mutants," especially Kitty, who was excellent. More Angel. Get--dare I say it--Joss Whedon on the script, as he seems to understand characters like Kitty and Colossus well, and could nail the X-men tone. Villains aside, don't worry too much about introducing new characters.

I believe that's precisely the point those who were let down by the film would make about this particular aspect of it. The movie's ballsiest and most important acts (offing the prof and the removal of Mags' abilities) were overturned at the end. The other significant events (Cyke and Jean's dust-bite) were handled quite poorly.

Yeah, the whole Wolverine declaring his life for Jean and then making a kebab of her left me UTTERLY unmoved - which means someone failed somewhere, as that was probably supposed to be either the big death or #2 behind Prof getting wacked (which did affect me a bit).

I was meaning Van Damme, but then I remembered it's the Muscles from Brussels, not the Chassis from Düsseldorf.

Oh, man, forgive my nerdy transgressions, but I love trying to imagine where the next film will lead us.

Might they try again with Cyclops? He's a big part of what the X-Men stand for. In the comics, he's one of the few that understands Xavier's ideals- that should have come through better. And, as many say, we never saw him die. Who's to say he doesn't come back with some sort of mental rewiring courtesy of Mr. Sinister. After all, I'm sure other mutants in high places understand that the (temporarily) rudderless Xavier's School is a major chess piece in the struggle for mutant supremacy.

I see the opportunity to then introduce Gambit as one of Sinister's Marauders, who will try to enforce their willpower on the school before Sinister unleashes a modified version of the Legacy Virus designed to actually infect and kill all nonmutants. I can also see Apocalypse pulling the strings here- if they can avoid any and all story leaks and have him show up in the film's second half, well, that would be mind-blowing.

New teachers at Xavier's School would be needed. Storm needs some sort of arc that makes her realize that the regal African Queen may be wasting her time with the team- perhaps love interest Forge leads to her retirement? And how about new instructor Sean Cassidy, aka Banshee? Perhaps he can rejoin his daughter, Siryn, and bring along his love interest Emma Frost (after all, SOMEONE needs to use Cerebro).

I guess you'd HAVE to bring back Professor X. Maybe have him nurse himself back to health slowly while consummating a relationship with Moira MacTaggart. Question the amount of time dedicated to getting him back to his best health instead of letting the X-Men know he's alive. Some sort of twist, maybe then killing off Moira, can give Professor X something to do.

But what to do with Magneto? And do we need Wolverine?

That's the only thing that could get me excited about seeing Gambit in a film.

To your posts? Ha ha ha ha! Good one!

Oh, wait - you're serious?

No, that showed that Leech's powers only affected people in close proximity. The cure that was created using his DNA would be in the mutants bloodstream, and thus rather hard to move away from. Also, Beast says quite clearly that the cure suppresses the mutant gene permanently. I have to assume that they've tested the thing fairly rigorously - and have waited more than a few days to see if it works.

You could argue that Magento is so powerful that he was able to overcome it, but he was injected with four vials of the stuff.

Having the cure be temporary would be an utterly retarded idea.

Which is exactly why I wouldn't put it past X3.

The chess piece was just the wind and the brain-dead man was just repeating lines from his favourite movie, X-Men 3.

With a spot on Picard impression, probably his favourite character.

There's a strong film waiting to be made with Trask and the Sentinels with the main antagonists. Following a prominent mutant splinter group attack, Trask could make the quite logical assertion that humanity needs some kind of extra defence against malicious mutants, with Beast wrestling with the decision as part of the government. Ultimately he accepts that evil mutants need some kind of special, government-mandated system in place to combat them. The Sentinels could even be introduced as the X-Men attempt to stop a mutant hostage situation/bank robbery/whatever. Having the current squad going toe-to-toe with, say, Pyro, The Blob and Avalanche, only for the Sentinels to swoop in and take car eof the baddies for them. And so the tension grows, perhaps with Trask pushing mutant registration as a safe, non-offensive way of keeping tabs on the mutant population. And suddenly the country's on the brink of mutant marshall law, with the Sentinels rounding up all the mutants they come across. You could even work a returning Magneto into the third act, reappearing to rescue an embattled X-Mansion from attack.

There are plenty of places to go with the crew, even without introducing the more fantastical elements like the Shi'Ar or Apocalypse. Not that they shouldn't use those, but currently they'd be a MASSIVE departure for the franchise.

See, now you've hurt my feelings.

You have feelings? Ha ha ha ha! Good one!

Oh, wait - you're serious?

I can still feel hate, Gusset.

I can still feel hate.

Avi Arad says no X4

Source: http://www.cinematical.com/

Brigden! You lied to me! I'll never trust your intel again!

207,000,000 $ gross so far

They'd be fucking STUPID if they rely on spin-off flicks. Who wants to see a Wolverine or Magneto-only movie? Screw Avi Arad.

Done right? A lot of people. He's only the SECOND MOST POPULAR CHARACTER IN THE WHOLE MARVEL UNIVERSE.

Molti: From SuperheroHype:

So who knows.

I read that Jackman wants Ratner to direct WOLVERINE. You want that? I think it's quite more difficult to do a Wolverine prequel the right way.

And I'm pretty sure that if the audience had to choose between X4 and a WOLVERINE prequel, they'd take X4 any week.

Ya gotta hope that he was just saying that as the normal PR line. What direction Fox takes in their approach to the Spin Off will tell us a lot about how the rest of their comic book lineup will end up.

Lets hope they go and stick with someone more Vaughan.