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post #51 of 76
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Originally Posted by Death Surge
I thought old Mel was a shill as well, but her subsequent responses counter that.

And correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're a vegetarian for health reasons as opposed to moral ones. If so, more power to you. If not, that's quite a contradiction in moral philosphy you have going there, and I may be forced to break out my "I am the Lorax, I speak for the Trees" speech.
health, and paranoia... knowing what goes into meat, I won't eat it....but I do love the Lorax, so by all means....
post #52 of 76
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall
I think there's a world of difference between gore and brutality which is fake Irreversible, Ichi the Killer, Braindead.

And just watching something get ripped apart/mutilated for real, Men Behind the Sun, The Isle, Cannibal Holocaust...
...Apocalypse Now?
post #53 of 76
The Boar being killed is designed to make you feel unsettled, uncomfortable. Men Behind the Sun and Cannibal Holocaust revel in the pain that is inflicted upon the animals.

Also I love that this thread is essentially a big dick contest.

"You've seen Snuff...hah you ain't seen nothing...once I saw a girl get killed and have her brains eaten..."

"I once saw a girl get her brains eaten while she was still alive!!!"

"I once saw a film where a dozen orphans were like totally mutilated and left dismembered by a church in Mexico"
post #54 of 76
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
Mel, you should seek out a series of films called Guinea Pig.

Has anyone seen August Underground? I've been dying to check it out but never was able to get a copy.

Seriously skip AU.. I saw Mordum and well... I love gore as much as the next guy but it just goes beyond that. It's just plain nasty. The effects are very well done in parts but it's too much and its all done for shock (whereas something like Holocaust at least tries to have a point.. even if it isn't oscar worthy). Some of it is just boring and headache inducing because of the home video feel, but some scenes towards the end just plain disgusted me, and I usually love being shocked by movies. Never bothered to watch the first AU movie after that. I can see how you might be tempted to watch it even more with everyone confirming its as sick as you heard.. but really.. save the effort, because its not a good experience.
post #55 of 76
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Originally Posted by BoonSaint
Seriously skip AU.. I saw Mordum and well... I love gore as much as the next guy but it just goes beyond that. It's just plain nasty. The effects are very well done in parts but it's too much and its all done for shock (whereas something like Holocaust at least tries to have a point.. even if it isn't oscar worthy). Some of it is just boring and headache inducing because of the home video feel, but some scenes towards the end just plain disgusted me, and I usually love being shocked by movies. Never bothered to watch the first AU movie after that. I can see how you might be tempted to watch it even more with everyone confirming its as sick as you heard.. but really.. save the effort, because its not a good experience.
Sold!

Damn. Now I need to track down both movies....
post #56 of 76
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall
Also I love that this thread is essentially a big dick contest.

"You've seen Snuff...hah you ain't seen nothing...once I saw a girl get killed and have her brains eaten..."

"I once saw a girl get her brains eaten while she was still alive!!!"

"I once saw a film where a dozen orphans were like totally mutilated and left dismembered by a church in Mexico"
Now we are getting somewhere. And the titles of the films are?


And Yes, I'm kidding.
post #57 of 76
Good luck Death Surge! But really, don't try too hard. Not only is it just a waste of time because its unpleasant for the sake of it - basically a bunch of them doing the sickest things they could think of - but because of that it's just a really really bad, pointless and entertainment free movie. Theres just none of the redeeming cheese factor that makes bunk like anthropophagous watchable just for fun and giggles. The bad acting is just bad. The stupid plot is plain stupid and well.. I hated it. It's not even something because of that, which you can recommend to gorehounds. Thats without even going into the unecessary over the top shit they did gore is gore but its not so much the gore - I've seen more blood in a movie - as just being vile. I'm the last person to tell someone not to watch a movie because of content, no matter what, but I'm also not recommending this bastard cos its shit.
post #58 of 76
About August Underground- I finally got a copy of it. I won't go into the details of what it required (a pound of flesh is harder to get than you'd think!) but it's mine.

I've only watched the opening scene, but man I know it's going to be rough. It's shot on home video, and just has two guys walking into a house, giggling. They head into the basement where there's a woman tied up, naked and bleeding, with porno covering the walls. One of them starts cracking up.

I'm gonna give it a shot later on this weekend, but man, that opening scene sure sets the tone.
post #59 of 76
Damn you to hell, Riviello. I've spotted it a few times on e-bay, but am leary at dealing with over-sea shipments. I assume we can expect a full accounting on CC?
post #60 of 76
I've lost my edge in my old age so I've really no desire to see AU or the GP films, let alone put much effort into finding them. Still, I can't imagine they'd be THAT hard to find. I can't deny that reading these threads piques my interest everytime.

I think the fact that these films are so easy to come by anymore is one reason I stopped looking for them. In high school I had to watch Canniabl Hollocaust on a dubbed VHS from a dubbed VHS from a dubbed VHS from a friend - no shit. Appears to be just as difficult to get the AU films, eh?
post #61 of 76
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Originally Posted by Death Surge
Damn you to hell, Riviello. I've spotted it a few times on e-bay, but am leary at dealing with over-sea shipments. I assume we can expect a full accounting on CC?
Sure, I'll put up a review if you guys want.

Didn't Butane cover this years ago on the site? I remember someone being disgusted over it.
post #62 of 76
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Originally Posted by whiskaz
I think the fact that these films are so easy to come by anymore is one reason I stopped looking for them. In high school I had to watch Canniabl Hollocaust on a dubbed VHS from a dubbed VHS from a dubbed VHS from a friend - no shit. Appears to be just as difficult to get the AU films, eh?
No distribution. Sometimes films either get made and never see a distributor, or they only have one overseas. And other films (Salo por ejemplo) vanish from print and become collector's items. These are films that unfortunatly never saw late night cable once, so even copies of copies of VHS tapes aren't available.
post #63 of 76
Yeah Alex, bring it on.

And beside, I couldn't hate you more than with this Mammal Sauce song.... you bloody bastard.
post #64 of 76
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
Sure, I'll put up a review if you guys want.

Didn't Butane cover this years ago on the site? I remember someone being disgusted over it.
I may have missed it. I've only seen mentions of the film, but have never seen a review posted anywhere other than "It's just graphic disgusting violence for violence sake", which is of course why I want to see it.
post #65 of 76
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Originally Posted by Winterfell
Yeah Alex, bring it on.

And beside, I couldn't hate you more than with this Mammal Sauce song.... you bloody bastard.
hahahaha

Glad I got someone with that. I love that song, but it does tend to stick in your head for weeks.

crotchduster.com for the uninitiated...
post #66 of 76
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Originally Posted by Death Surge
No distribution. Sometimes films either get made and never see a distributor, or they only have one overseas. And other films (Salo por ejemplo) vanish from print and become collector's items. These are films that unfortunatly never saw late night cable once, so even copies of copies of VHS tapes aren't available.
I used to get hard to find stuff from a place that copied OOP LaserDiscs (or VHS) to VHS tapes. It was the only way I could find Eraserhead, Cannibal Ferox, Intruder and several other titles at the time. I assumed bootlegs of AU etc should be floating around. Suprised you can't buy something like this direct from the guys who made it, also.
post #67 of 76
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
hahahaha

Glad I got someone with that. I love that song, but it does tend to stick in your head for weeks.

crotchduster.com for the uninitiated...
Yeah, well imagine my ENTIRE OFFICE singing the chorus along with the choral at the end of the song... twice a day, for a week.
post #68 of 76
Oh man...

I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry. Why the hell'd you leak it out to your office?

*goes to get a bucket of tang*
post #69 of 76
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
Oh man...

I'm sorry. I'm so, so sorry. Why the hell'd you leak it out to your office?

*goes to get a bucket of tang*
I leaked it to one guy. Then it was 11. Then hell came.

Ok, back to our Cannibal friends.
post #70 of 76
That is great, your whole office singing Mammal Sauce. I piss my friends off when I play it, thats why it's so great.
post #71 of 76
If you're into the AU and Toe Tag Pictures stuff, there is a shockumentary called S&MAN that you should check out. Basically it covers that whole scene of fake snuff films, interviewing many of the people involved, including Vogle of AU. The doc centers around a fictional filmaker called S&MAN, who's films seem a little too real. So it's a mockumentary, wrapped around a documentary. Saw it back in March during South by Southwest, and came out of it a bit disturbed. Still worth checking out, though. I know it's one of the midnight movies screening at Toronto, so if you're there, give it a look.
post #72 of 76
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
Sure, I'll put up a review if you guys want.

Didn't Butane cover this years ago on the site? I remember someone being disgusted over it.
I got pretty riled up by it, but only because of the nadir of creativity that this new breed of shock horror seem to thrive on. As if the concept of "evil" is enough to justify the content in and of itself. With no exploration of anything except depressingly banal mundanity that's the antithesis of its presumabley existential introspection of casual sadsim. It's twaddle. Cannibal Holocaust provides a neat. conceptual framework for its brutality that begs the audience to engage what their spectatorship means. August Undeground just asks us to gag over and over for no other purpose than it can. It's anti-horror.

Just found my original post about it:

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Does anyone over the age of 17 really want to shell out cash on a two disc version of this sophomoric, juvenile and ultimately rather boring exercise in self-promotion ? (Let's not kid ourselves, not matter how many credits the not untalented Vogel and crew have on low budget productions, this is a glorified showreel with a few non-ticket holders to the local metal club night helping out). I know there are some ultra-rabid cover-all horror fans, with bulging collections who'll take a philanthropic view to this picture and it's attempted dark undercurrents, those who'll essentially get it for completions sake. Or those who want a career in FX (though I'd tell them to just by Tom Savini's Grand Illusions book). Great. I love horror from cheap and old to gloriously over the top and forward thinking. But this ?

The whole AU clique puzzles the hell out of me. On one hand it's not like In A Glass Cage or 120 Days Of Sodom or something with a genuine subtext to its catalogue of "horrors". On the other, it's not even some depraved work of madness that should be pulled from public consumption.

It wishes.

Because it's relentlessly dull.

It's like a kid running into church and screaming a passage from De Sade at the priest and calling him a cnut. On some surface level it's shocking and you might be enlightened by his tonal enunciation, but has all the meaningfulness of involuntary defecation in one's shorts. And about the same artistic merits too.

As a special effects extravaganza (and it is one - this isn't meant to be a serious drama enlivened by some seamless effects work - it's a gore flick) is it really any better than Peter Jackon's Braindead ? No, they're not. Neither pictures is particularly realistic, but one picture realises the futility of realism so is much more effective and inventive because of it. The other just has supposedly a more morbid agenda which, sorry to say, doesn't substitute for depth, well sculpted though it maybe.

Is the picture really an any more serious, intelligent dissection on the bland, everyday terror of serial killers than Henry? This is surely the most rhetorical question ever. Not a hope in hell.

Is the lo-fi camerawork really any more effective and real because of its intentional shoddiness ? Or is it an easy get-out for people that actually aren't particularly good photographers.

It's taboo busting and little else. But no more so than the real animal slaughter in 70's Italian pictures and sure to become as innocuously annoying in years to come. It's not disturbing, just faintly tasteless. It's not probing, just fairly ordinary in its depiction of vicious acts. It's not relentless, just far too long at barely over an feature running time.

There's a Nine Inch Nails video that achieves everything AU and its sequel hoped to achieve. It's a terrible and disturbing short about a guy tortured with a blow torch. It not only achieves a quite devastating effect with chilling ease and nonchalance, it does it in around 4 minutes.

In terms of something longer, Nacho Cerda's Aftermath is 100 times more engrossing, moving, terrifying and enlightening about the human condition. With better gore effects too, if you want to shallow about it.

I understand Murder Set Pieces (also featuring Vogel's work) is of similar gross aesthetic, judging by Fangoria's review.
Am I prude in my older age ? Maybe. But I'm extremely comfortable with that.
post #73 of 76
I'm guessing Melissa probably wouldn't like Cannibal Ferox either then?
post #74 of 76
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Originally Posted by Alex Riviello
hahahaha

Glad I got someone with that. I love that song, but it does tend to stick in your head for weeks.

crotchduster.com for the uninitiated...
This is one of those times that I really wish my curiousity hadn't gotten the better of me. Dear sweet Jesus.....
post #75 of 76
Dammit. What is it about Mammal Sauce? I mentioned it at home yesterday in an off the cuff way & now everyone is listening to it!

Alex, what have you done?
post #76 of 76
This thread is knockers!

Sorry, I just got tired of seeing that damn shill post.
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