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post #1 of 33
6/9/06 at 4:26pm
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I was reading an article on the Cowboys and Owens today and it made me remember how intense the rivalry between the Cowboys and the 49ers used to be back in the 90's. Those two well-oiled teams always made for a good game. But it hasn't been that way for a while now, and even though I have no rooting interest in either franchise, part of me misses it.

What are some rivalries you miss because teams got crappy, teams moved, teams changed divisions, etc.?
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post #2 of 33
6/9/06 at 4:27pm
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What are some rivalries you miss because teams got crappy, teams moved, teams changed divisions, etc.?
Mom vs. Dad

Sorry... I couldn't resist.
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post #3 of 33
6/9/06 at 4:31pm
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Nice work, JT. Nice work.
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post #4 of 33
6/9/06 at 4:35pm
Bulls/Knicks in the early 90's. I've never seen a basketball rivalry of any kind that got as heated as that. I remember at one point Jordan being so jacked up he had a breakaway dunk and wanted to slam it so hard that he missed, the ball bounced off of the back iron, about 20 feet in the air, all the way to mid-court. Pippen dunking over Ewing and standing over him taunting...John Starks' amazing baseline dunk over Horace Grant...Xavier McDaniel...it was all so intense. The NBA hasn't come close to having a rivalry like it since and I think that's why it's lost a lot of its glamour.
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post #5 of 33
6/9/06 at 5:20pm
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Bulls/Knicks in the early 90's. I've never seen a basketball rivalry of any kind that got as heated as that. I remember at one point Jordan being so jacked up he had a breakaway dunk and wanted to slam it so hard that he missed, the ball bounced off of the back iron, about 20 feet in the air, all the way to mid-court. Pippen dunking over Ewing and standing over him taunting...John Starks' amazing baseline dunk over Horace Grant...Xavier McDaniel...it was all so intense. The NBA hasn't come close to having a rivalry like it since and I think that's why it's lost a lot of its glamour.
Couldn't have said it better. I was a huge Bulls fan (used to live in Chicago when I was a kid) back then, and there was nothing better. Every single year I thought the Knicks were just going to end up taking down the Bulls, but Jordan never let it happen.

The Knicks had such a great group of players with people like Rivers, Oakley, Starks, Ewing....I really thought the would take the Bulls down, but it never happened. When the went to the finals a year after Jordan "retired", I didn't want them to win because I felt they didn't earn it.....
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post #6 of 33
6/9/06 at 5:45pm
Penn State - Pitt. This rivalry produced some great games over the years. Both of these schools still hate each other with a passion, but haven't played each other far too long.

Disagreements on how many home games are to be played at each school, how much money either school would get, and Paterno's personal hatred for Pitt not joining his Eastern Football Conference (I think that's what it was called) back in the 80's are just a few of the reasons this rivalry is nonexistent.
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post #7 of 33
6/9/06 at 7:22pm
Oasis vs. Blur
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post #8 of 33
6/9/06 at 7:39pm
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
Bulls/Knicks in the early 90's. I've never seen a basketball rivalry of any kind that got as heated as that. I remember at one point Jordan being so jacked up he had a breakaway dunk and wanted to slam it so hard that he missed, the ball bounced off of the back iron, about 20 feet in the air, all the way to mid-court. Pippen dunking over Ewing and standing over him taunting...John Starks' amazing baseline dunk over Horace Grant...Xavier McDaniel...it was all so intense. The NBA hasn't come close to having a rivalry like it since and I think that's why it's lost a lot of its glamour.
Well as much as I miss Jordan dropping double nickels on my Knicks, I must say that I miss the rivalries they had w/ the Pacers and Heat. Regular season or playoffs, it always made for some hard-nosed basketball.
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post #9 of 33
6/9/06 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by Barbados Slim
Well as much as I miss Jordan dropping double nickels on my Knicks, I must say that I miss the rivalries they had w/ the Pacers and Heat. Regular season or playoffs, it always made for some hard-nosed basketball.
Same here. And it was amazing to watch how a win verus the Heat could turn the Pacers around. Hopefully we'll get some more good matches between the two next season.
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post #10 of 33
6/9/06 at 8:11pm
Heat/Knicks, mid-late 90's. It was ugly basketball but the games always had something dramatic happen at the very end.
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post #11 of 33
6/9/06 at 8:20pm
Celtics and Lakers. I got into the NBA at the end of their rivalry and that was greatness. I was rooting for the Celtics but I always appreciated how awesome the Lakers ran the floor back in the 80’s.

I would have liked one more Tyson/Holyfield fight before Tyson started to suck and Holyfield could still pronounce his own name.
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post #12 of 33
6/9/06 at 8:54pm
Being from Montreal, I've got to say Quebec Nordiques vs Montreal Canadians. A lot of passion, a ton of hate truly felt by the players and the two cities. Great games that are sadly missing in the NHL.
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post #13 of 33
6/12/06 at 10:39am
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Sticking with the NHL, Avs/Red Wings. Short-lived as an elite rivalry but intense. These teams hated each other and it was fun to watch that play out.
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post #14 of 33
6/12/06 at 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by heLL pAso
Heat/Knicks, mid-late 90's. It was ugly basketball but the games always had something dramatic happen at the very end.
Agreed here. They were probably the most-evenly matched duo of this era. I loved seeing the storylines play out, and the fights simply escalated- the very definition of bad blood.
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post #15 of 33
6/12/06 at 12:35pm
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
Celtics and Lakers. I got into the NBA at the end of their rivalry and that was greatness. I was rooting for the Celtics but I always appreciated how awesome the Lakers ran the floor back in the 80’s.
Nice pick, Molt. This might have been the best NBA rivalry in terms of quality of play.
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post #16 of 33
6/12/06 at 12:39pm
They were way too friendly with each other, though. When Magic wore the Celtics jersey, the rivalry was killed.
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post #17 of 33
6/12/06 at 12:48pm
I sort of liked how the Celts-Lakers wasn't a real bloody affair. Don't get me wrong, I love seeing Don Zimmer try to beat up Red Sox as much as the next guy but it was cool how the Celtics and Lakers rivalry was just based on who the better team was. Even their regular season games were huge events back then.
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post #18 of 33
6/12/06 at 1:19pm
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
They were way too friendly with each other, though. When Magic wore the Celtics jersey, the rivalry was killed.
Yeah, it certainly wasn't much of heated, blood-letting kind of rivalry, but it produced some amazing basketball.
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post #19 of 33
6/12/06 at 1:25pm
Rangers/Celtic in Scotland. It's never going to be friendly when you're the two big teams in Glasgow, but when you also have a Protestant/Catholic split, there's always going to be trouble. Unfortunately, it seems to have petered out now Celtic are good again.
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post #20 of 33
6/12/06 at 1:25pm
I'm of the opinion that 'rivalries' NEED to be heated. Celts-Laker games were fantastic to watch, don't get me wrong, but the emotional charge is lost when you see the two best players hugging after the game.
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post #21 of 33
6/12/06 at 1:31pm
I miss the Bucs playing the old NFC Central teams twice a year. The Bucs-Packers rivalry was great.
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post #22 of 33
6/12/06 at 4:41pm
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
I'm of the opinion that 'rivalries' NEED to be heated. Celts-Laker games were fantastic to watch, don't get me wrong, but the emotional charge is lost when you see the two best players hugging after the game.
You could say a similar thing about the Bulls/Knicks series. It's not much of a rivalry when the Bulls were winning 80% of the time and always in the playoffs.
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post #23 of 33
6/13/06 at 1:44am
Ayrton Senna and Alan Prost in Formula 1 racing. They were two of the greatest drivers of their era. They had vastly different driving styles with Prost using smoothness and carefully planned moves and Senna relying on quick reflexes, passion and ruthlessness. They battled it out for years. The best for me was when they were both racing for McLaren. The two greatest drivers in the same car. There were no excuses. The two men really didn’t like each other and having them on the same team was electric. It all ended when Prost retired. They seemed to have reconciled a bit before Senna’s death in Italy.

Best wishes,
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post #24 of 33
6/13/06 at 2:24am
don't you mean engineer #1 vs engineer #2?
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post #25 of 33
6/13/06 at 2:27am
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Originally Posted by Richard Dickson
I miss the Bucs playing the old NFC Central teams twice a year. The Bucs-Packers rivalry was great.
"The Bay of Pigs" as Berman and Ax used to call it back in the late 80s/early 90s when both teams sucked. When Favre and Sapp (or maybe even Favre vs TB def) were going toe-to-toe was probably the high point; Sapp's hit on Clifton certainly put some fuel on the fire.

I would have figured that the natural geographical rivalries with Atl and Car would be more compelling to Tampans than the NFC Norris. Then again, given the number of Min/Mich/Wis/Ill transplants in Florida, that probably added some action in the stands to go with what was happening on the field.
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post #26 of 33
6/13/06 at 2:34am
Brewers vs White Sox always brought out the best in both teams and their fans...if by "the best" you mean drunken fights in the stands, pitches thrown at heads, bench-clearing brawls, managers taking swings at each other, etc etc....
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post #27 of 33
6/13/06 at 11:53am
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Originally Posted by heLL pAso
You could say a similar thing about the Bulls/Knicks series. It's not much of a rivalry when the Bulls were winning 80% of the time and always in the playoffs.
That has nothing to do with what I was talking about. They HATED each other. Those meetings in the playoffs were about as heated as you'll ever see a sporting event. They didn't laugh and hug each other after the game. The fact that the Bulls usually won (and they didn't win in the playoffs every year) doesn't take away from the fact that was the most intense rivalry of its time.
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post #28 of 33
6/13/06 at 12:04pm
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Originally Posted by Chavez
I would have figured that the natural geographical rivalries with Atl and Car would be more compelling to Tampans than the NFC Norris. Then again, given the number of Min/Mich/Wis/Ill transplants in Florida, that probably added some action in the stands to go with what was happening on the field.
Oh, of course, we hate the Panthers and Falcons (especially once Michael "Savior of the NFL" Vick came along), but those are still current, this is about rivalries we miss.
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post #29 of 33
6/13/06 at 5:39pm
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Originally Posted by Guttenberg Fan Club
That has nothing to do with what I was talking about. They HATED each other. Those meetings in the playoffs were about as heated as you'll ever see a sporting event. They didn't laugh and hug each other after the game. The fact that the Bulls usually won (and they didn't win in the playoffs every year) doesn't take away from the fact that was the most intense rivalry of its time.
In your opinion the Celtics/Lakers series is downgraded because they never hated each other. I would agree with this but all i'm saying is the Bulls/Knicks series could be knocked down because the series was completely one sided and don't even get me started on the Jordanless Bulls where it only took the Knicks 7 games to finally beat them. That wasn't even close to be the same thing.
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post #30 of 33
6/18/06 at 3:25pm
The rivalry I miss most:

Bulls / Pistons, late 80's - early 90's.

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Originally Posted by heLL pAso
You could say a similar thing about the Bulls/Knicks series. It's not much of a rivalry when the Bulls were winning 80% of the time and always in the playoffs.
That's why I loved the bulls and pistons. It started with the bulls getting kicked by the pistons in every conference final, but by the last two years, it was the bulls who'd taken over. As a chicagoan, I don't think there was ever a better rivalry for jordan's bulls.

The Knicks rivlalry was good, but by then, they just felt like Pistons Lite to me. And as you said, they didn't match up as well.

I mean, Joe Dumars, Isaah Thomas, Dennis Rodman, Bill Lambeer, etc. -- come on. They eclipse the collective of Starks, Ewing, Mason, McDaniel and all those knicks.
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post #31 of 33
6/19/06 at 2:32am
I agree. When the Bulls finally beat the Pistons it was the point where Jordan really became Jordan.
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post #32 of 33
6/19/06 at 5:09am
The Twins and Indians have had a pretty good rivalry for awhile now. When the Indians were a powerhouse in the mid 90's they'd just kill the Twins who were the bottom of the barrel in the American League. Then the Twins started coming together in the late 90's early 2000's and they played some really heated games.

Also in this area Vikings-Packers is absolutely huge.
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post #33 of 33
6/21/06 at 6:44pm
Loved the 1990s bench-clearing antics of the Knicks vs Heat. If memory serves, didn't Knicks coach Jeff Van Gundy once end up dangling from Zo's leg in the heat of a brawl?)

Loved the Knicks vs Pacers beef too, and more specifically I miss the Spike Lee vs Reggie Miller antagonism.

In more recent years, the Kings vs the three-peat Lakers served up some decent matches / hostility, although ultimately the Kings just couldn't take it up that extra notch to make it a Grade A rivalry.
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