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post #1 of 119
6/22/06 at 1:29pm
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Larry's out, Magic's kiss buddy in.

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Knicks fire Brown, name Thomas new coach

NEW YORK -- Larry Brown was fired by the New York Knicks on Thursday and replaced as coach by president and general manager Isiah Thomas.

In Brown's one season in New York, the Knicks stumbled to a 23-59 record -- second worst in the NBA and matching the most losses in club history.

Brown endured a miserable season with the Knicks, squabbling with star guard Stephon Marbury and other players and missing three games in April because of illness. He had only one worse season as a coach, when he went 21-61 with the San Antonio Spurs in 1988-89.

His coaching status had been in limbo for months, and reports surfaced in May that owner James Dolan was looking to buy out Brown's contract. It was at about that time that Brown called himself a "dead man walking" because of the uncertainty.

The Hall of Fame coach signed a five-year deal with the Knicks before last season worth a reported $50 million.

The Knicks fired Brown while he still had a reported four years and $40 million left on his contract, and no financial settlement was reached. ESPN.com has learned that a clause in Brown's contract designates NBA commissioner David Stern as the arbitrator of any financial dispute between the sides, meaning the final chapter of this drama has yet to play out.

A message seeking comment was left Thursday morning for Brown at his home in East Hampton, N.Y.

Brown, a Brooklyn native, described his hiring last year as a "dream job," and the Knicks hoped his homecoming would lead to a long-awaited return to the playoffs. But despite a league-high payroll of more than $120 million, New York struggled throughout the season.

"No one in our organization is happy with last season and we all accept responsibility for our performance," Thomas said in a statement released by the Knicks. "This has been a difficult time for the entire organization and our fans.

"Larry Brown is a great coach, but for various reasons, bringing him to the Knicks did not turn out the way we had hoped and we wish him the best in the future."

Thomas joined the Knicks as president and GM in December 2003. He was coach of the Indiana Pacers for three seasons through 2002-03, compiling a 131-115 record.

Brown coached the Detroit Pistons to the NBA title in the 2003-04 season. He missed 17 games the following year with the Pistons because of hip replacement surgery. That led to a bladder problem that required surgery in November. He had offseason surgery to address the problem.

"Larry has had a long and storied career. We hired him last summer with the expectation that he would be with the Knicks for a long time," Dolan said. "Sometimes decisions work and sometimes they don't."
This comes as no surprise. The Knicks are one sad and pathetic franchise. Monk, it's gonna be awhile before things get better. So what team takes a chance on Larry Loyalty?
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post #2 of 119
6/22/06 at 1:41pm
So, with the Clippers making the playoffs, the Knicks are now the wost run team in the NBA. Congratulations!
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post #3 of 119
6/22/06 at 4:08pm
Glad i'm not a Knicks fan. The dark ages.
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post #4 of 119
6/22/06 at 4:11pm
The Knicks will be alright this year. With a stellar draft class to choose from, they'll surely be able to add the necessary piece for Isaiah Thomas to craft into a winning franchise for years to come.

What's that?...
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post #5 of 119
6/22/06 at 4:24pm
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Originally Posted by juan23
The Knicks will be alright this year. With a stellar draft class to choose from, they'll should be able to add the necessary piece for Isaiah Thomas to trade for Carlos Boozer, Zach Randolph or some other high priced loser and fuck the Knicks for years to come.
Fixed that for ya Juan.
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post #6 of 119
6/22/06 at 4:31pm
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Originally Posted by juan23
The Knicks will be alright this year. With a stellar draft class to choose from, they'll surely be able to add the necessary piece for Isaiah Thomas to craft into a winning franchise for years to come.

What's that?...
as a pacers fan, we are still feeling the pains of Thomas, well that and Artest.
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post #7 of 119
6/22/06 at 4:32pm
In case you didn't know JD, the funny thing is that the Knicks have NO draft picks this year to even screw up.
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post #8 of 119
6/22/06 at 5:07pm
Fuck Isaiah. I hated him as a player, and I still do. Watching the Knicks fall apart this season I couldn't help but think of the old Sports Illustrated article about how he was going to turn the CBA into something special (Have I Got a League For You!). Yeah, that turned out well. And he wonders why his name is never mentioned with the holy trinity of the NBA's golden age (Magic, Bird and Jordan.)
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post #9 of 119
6/22/06 at 5:09pm
While I've enjoyed watching the farce that is the New York Knicks as much as anyone, I'm certain that getting rid of Brown, whilst a costly and embarrassing move, is also the right one.

I'm not saying the Knicks roster are angels, but there's a line where being a hard-nosed, traditionalist old school coach finishes and being a belligerent, out-of-touch asshole begins, and Brown crossed it a long time ago.
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post #10 of 119
6/22/06 at 5:27pm
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Quote:
Originally Posted by juan23
With a stellar draft class to choose from...
This is the worse draft class in years...but yes like you said in a later post the Bulls have their 1st round pick.
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post #11 of 119
6/22/06 at 5:32pm
Sarcasm is dead.
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post #12 of 119
6/22/06 at 5:42pm
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Perhaps...
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post #13 of 119
6/22/06 at 5:48pm
Well, let's redirect the conversation from shitty knicks...to shitty picks.

http://www.nba.com/draft2006/consensus.html

There is the consensus mock draft. The sucker in me is happy Morrison might be a Blazer, but, as fortunes have been here in the Rose City, he is going to turn out to be a crappy pro. Can't rebound, can't defend, and is undersized for his position. Sounds like a Blazer to me!
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post #14 of 119
6/22/06 at 5:55pm
That's a really weak bunch of players. But, I do think that Shelden Williams could be a good pro.
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post #15 of 119
6/22/06 at 5:59pm
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Brandon Roy would be a great pick for them but I read the other day that Jordan is supposedly fond of him.
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post #16 of 119
6/22/06 at 6:06pm
The Knicks do actually have a pick in this draft but its late. they should have the number 2 overall but they made the smart move and traded the unprotected pick to the bulls for Eddie "why not have another slice" Curry. He will benefit them for years to come. I think the draft class is not the best ever but i dunno how weak it is either. Roy is gonna be a great pro and i think Ronnie Brewer is really solid too. Morrison cant board or defend but he could be good for 15 a night. I heard rumors that the raptors were gonna package villanueva in a trade, i cant wait to see how the bad teams make themselves worse yet again.
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post #17 of 119
6/22/06 at 6:06pm
I don't see any star players coming out of this draft. But, alot of these guys could be solid role-players.
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post #18 of 119
6/22/06 at 6:31pm
For the record I didn't know Juan. One positive note from the 2006 season the Knicks are out of the draft.
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post #19 of 119
6/22/06 at 6:35pm
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I doubt the Raptors trade Villanueva. Everybody freaked over them when they selected him. He actually exceeded expectations. It wouldn't make sense if they traded him now.

Ronnie Brewer, to me anyways, seems like a guy who will never live up to his talent. He feels like another Rodney White/Lamar Odom type of player. Yeah I know White has done nothing in the league while Odom has, so how could someone compare the two, right? I just hope you know what i'm trying to say.
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post #20 of 119
6/22/06 at 6:47pm
Speaking of the Raptors have they locked up Bosh or Mike James?
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post #21 of 119
6/22/06 at 7:07pm
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Bosh recently told a Colorado newspaper "he can't wait" to sign a long term deal (6 years) with the Raptors later in the summer. James is still in the air.
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post #22 of 119
6/22/06 at 9:44pm
i def hear you about the brewer/odom comparison. Its always hard to tell if a guy is gonna utilize his natural ability, so frustrating. Rudy Gay will be the same way. Hell he barely used his abilty in college. but dammit if he isnt built to play pro ball. and for the record, again, the knicks do have a draft pick and i believe it is 20th overall and with isiah now in charge of everything dont be surprised if he tries to trade it for grant hill. nothing like a guy with an injury and untradeable contract to make Zeke smile
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post #23 of 119
6/23/06 at 10:32pm
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They actually have two 1st round draft picks.
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post #24 of 119
6/24/06 at 4:41pm
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Originally Posted by Calitheus
they should have the number 2 overall but they made the smart move and traded the unprotected pick to the bulls for Eddie "why not have another slice" Curry. He will benefit them for years to come.

Not sure what's being said here, but Eddy Curry, like the rest of the Knicks, has "career loser" written all over him.

Say what you will about Brown being an asshole, but Isiah had a chance to side with Larry Brown or side with the likes of Jalen Rose and Steve Francis, and he probably made the wrong choice. I would've let this thing implode on itself, instead of firing Brown and owing him $40 million. And last I heard, Dolan was going to deny Brown the money, which is preposterous.

Does anyone have a list of this offseason's free agents?
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post #25 of 119
6/24/06 at 5:07pm
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POINT GUARD

Jason Terry, Dallas
Mike James, Toronto (Player option)
Sam Cassell, LA Clippers
Speedy Claxton, New Orleans
Bobby Jackson, Memphis
David Wesley, Houston
Marcus Banks, Minnesota
Chucky Atkins, Memphis
Jason Hart, Sacramento (Player option)
Jannero Pargo, Chicago
Gary Payton, Miami
Tony Delk, Detroit
Nick Van Exel, San Antonio
Jacque Vaughn, New Jersey
Milt Palacio, Utah
Anthony Carter, Minnesota
Keith McLeod, Utah (Team option)
Rick Brunson, Seattle
Howard Eisley, LA Clippers
Lindsey Hunter, Detroit
Royal Ivey, Atlanta
Andre Emmett, Miami (Restricted)
Moochie Norris, Houston
Darrick Martin
Jeff McInnis, New Jersey (Player option)
Eddie Gill, Indiana
Darrell Armstrong, Dallas
Troy Bell
Mike Wilks, Cleveland
Mateen Cleaves, Seattle
Alvin Williams, Toronto (Player option)
Anthony Goldwire, LA Clippers
Antonio Burks, Memphis (Restricted)
Lionel Chalmers
Aaron Miles, Golden State
Anthony Roberson, Memphis (Team option)
Horace Jenkins

SHOOTING GUARD

Ronald Murray, Cleveland
Fred Jones, Indiana (Restricted)
Ruben Patterson, Denver (Player option)
Keith Bogans, Houston (Restricted)
John Salmons, Philadelphia (Restricted)
Derek Anderson, Miami (Player option)
DerMarr Johnson, Denver
DeShawn Stevenson, Orlando (Player option)
Greg Buckner, Denver (Player option)
Anfernee Hardaway, Orlando
Jimmy Jackson, SG, Phoenix
Lamond Murray, New Jersey
Aaron McKie, LA Lakers (Player option)
Richie Frahm, Houston
Eric Piatkowski, Chicago
Linton Johnson, New Jersey
Matt Carroll, Charlotte (Team option)
Voshon Lenard, Portland
Shandon Anderson, Miami
Rawle Marshall, Dallas (Team option)
Awvee Storey, Washington (Restricted)
Stacey Augmon, Orlando
Andre Owens, Utah (Restricted)
Charles Smith, Portland
Bernard Robinson, Charlotte (Restricted)
Alex Acker, Detroit (Restricted)
Kevin Burleson, Charlotte (Restricted)
Reece Gaines, Milwaukee
Tony Bobbitt, LA Lakers (Restricted)
Jermaine Jackson
Von Wafer, LA Lakers (Team option)
Alan Anderson, Charlotte (Team option)
Devin Green, LA Lakers (Restricted)

SMALL FORWARD

Peja Stojakovic, Indiana (Player option)
Bonzi Wells, Sacramento
Jared Jeffries, Washington (Restricted)
James Posey, Miami (Player option)
Jumaine Jones, Charlotte
Tim Thomas, Phoenix
Keith Van Horn, Dallas
Matt Harpring, Utah
Rasual Butler, New Orleans
Devean George, LA Lakers
Trevor Ariza, Orlando (Restricted)
Justin Reed, Minnesota (Restricted)
Devin Brown, Utah (Team option)
Walter McCarty, LA Clippers
Laron Profit, LA Lakers
Jiri Welsch, Milwaukee (Restricted)
Qyntel Woods, New York
Eric Williams, Toronto (Player option)
Toni Kukoc, Milwaukee
Lee Nailon, Philadelphia
Ronald Dupree, Minnesota (Restricted)
Ryan Bowen, Houston (Player option)
Maciej Lampe, Houston (Restricted)
George Lynch
Adrian Griffin, Dallas
Calbert Cheaney, Golden State
Shavlik Randolph, Philadelphia (Restricted)
Matt Barnes, Philadelphia
Bryon Russell, Denver
Ndudi Ebi
Donta Smith, Atlanta (Team option)
Sean Banks, New Orleans
Terrence Morris, Orlando

POWER FORWARD

Ben Wallace, Detroit
Al Harrington, Atlanta
Nene, Denver (Restricted)
Chris Wilcox, Seattle (Restricted)
Drew Gooden, Cleveland (Restricted)
Vladimir Radmanovic, LA Clippers
Reggie Evans, Denver
Darius Songaila, Chicago (Player option)
Jackie Butler, New York (Restricted)
Alan Henderson, Cleveland
Jackson Vroman, New Orleans (Restricted)
Clifford Robinson, New Jersey (Team option)
Stanislav Medvedenko, LA Lakers
Lawrence Roberts, Memphis (Team option)
Samaki Walker, Indiana
Sean Marks, San Antonio
Aaron Williams, New Orleans
Brandon Bass, New Orleans (Team option)
Bo Outlaw, Orlando
Josh Powell, Dallas (Team option)
Jared Reiner, Phoenix
Lonny Baxter, Houston

CENTER

Alonzo Mourning, Miami
Joel Przybilla, Portland
Nazr Mohammed, San Antonio
Francisco Elson, Denver (Restricted)
Melvin Ely, Charlotte (Restricted)
Lorenzen Wright, PF/C, Memphis
Kelvin Cato, Detroit
Jarron Collins, Utah
DJ Mbenga, Dallas (Restricted)
Mario Kasun, Orlando (Restricted)
Scot Pollard, Indiana
Michael Olowokandi, C, Boston
Jake Voskuhl, Charlotte
Antonio Davis, Toronto
Brian Grant, Phoenix
Ervin Johnson, Milwaukee
Loren Woods, Toronto
Boniface N'Dong, LA Clippers (Restricted)
Michael Bradley, Philadelphia
Curtis Borchardt, Boston (Restricted)
Ha Seung-Jin, Portland (Restricted)
Jamal Sampson, Sacramento
Pat Burke, Phoenix
Zendon Hamilton, Cleveland
Earl Barron, Miami
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post #26 of 119
6/24/06 at 5:21pm
I'd take Rudy Gay #1 overall. Then Morrison and Shelden if I wanted to feel safe about it. Roy, Tyrus, or Aldridge if I wanted to take a risk. The foreign guy is really named Andrea? I thought Gay sounded bad. Let's combine them Andrea Gay. Who are you playing against this week? xyz team. That's going to be a tough matchup against Andrea Gay!
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post #27 of 119
6/25/06 at 12:06am
my eddy curry comment was not to be taken as a compliment. he sux. helluva free agent list u made hell paso. I like Roy a lot, i was a fan of rudy gay for a longtime but he just dissappointed me in big spots, if u can afford to take the risk its a good pick.
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post #28 of 119
6/25/06 at 11:59am
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Rudy Gay wasn't even the 4th best player on his own team for huge chunks of the games. The kid has no heart. He's going to need an amazing coach to get everything out of him. If Jim Calhoun couldn't do it i'm not sure who can.
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post #29 of 119
6/25/06 at 12:38pm
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Originally Posted by fabfunk
Say what you will about Brown being an asshole, but Isiah had a chance to side with Larry Brown or side with the likes of Jalen Rose and Steve Francis, and he probably made the wrong choice. I would've let this thing implode on itself, instead of firing Brown and owing him $40 million. And last I heard, Dolan was going to deny Brown the money, which is preposterous.
Larry Brown or Isaiah Thomas had to go. The fact that the Dolan's chose Isaiah Thomas doesn't surprise me, then again, its not like firing him would've helped either. Brown's not going to be here for the long haul at his age, with his ambitions, and this team is a long way from contending. A long way.

Anyway, who cares about the Knicks? David Wright is Baseball Jesus.
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post #30 of 119
6/25/06 at 1:02pm
agree with you about rudolph gay. The thing i hear about dolan is he likes to have his ass kissed (obviously) and brown rubbed him the wrong way from the start. How did he think Larry Brown would act?
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post #31 of 119
6/25/06 at 6:28pm
Brown is a self promotional asshole who is very overrated as a coach and a person. But back to the Gay guy, he wasn't reliable at Uconn, not doubting that, but I think he's the kind of guy who was just waiting around to go pro and when he gets to the nba he will be constantly trying to prove himself. When you combine his size, athleticism, and skill he stacks up higher than everyone else. I don't think he's selfish to the point where he won't play with his new team in a resonable way. I could be wrong, but every player has their risks.
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post #32 of 119
6/28/06 at 6:57pm
Alright, Alright...we have liftoff. The Blazers make a trade.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/draft2...ory?id=2503245

I hope this works out well...
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post #33 of 119
6/28/06 at 7:44pm
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Originally Posted by swedish miyagi
Brown is a self promotional asshole who is very overrated as a coach and a person.
But he wins everywhere he goes and gets the best out of the talent he has. It's a shame the Knick players didn't listen to him.

What's this I'm hearing about KG to the Bulls for 2, 16, and a player or 2? If he still has stuff in the tank I wouldn't mind it. But the man is 30 and is an 11 year vet. Bulls need veterans and KG needs out of Minny. Might not make them contenders, but I could see them jumping from 41 wins to 50-54 wins and that's good for 2nd in the division and home court in the first 2 rounds. Then who knows.

Bulls have to decide is 4 or 5 good years of KG better than 10 years of Tyrus Thomas and some foreign player at 16?



Rick Majerus discusses Rudy Gay
Video.
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post #34 of 119
6/28/06 at 8:09pm
I dont like trading away telfair after only 2 seasons out of HS
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post #35 of 119
6/28/06 at 8:15pm
I'm really hoping that all these rumors about a trade between the hawks and rockets are true. I'd love to see Brandon Roy with Yao Ming and Tracy McGrady.
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post #36 of 119
6/28/06 at 9:32pm
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The Jail Blazers are a bit of an enigma tonight. What were they thinking trading up for Aldridge when he would've been there at 4? The Bulls torched 'em on that one. Trading away Telfair who has been average at best (but still very young) for what turned out to be Randy Foye was terrific. They had to take on Lafrentz's contract while losing Ratliff so that hurts. Telfair can definitely make a huge step upwards next season so it is a bit of a gamble but I like Foye way more. And Dick V needs to fuck off proclaiming he's "Dwyane Wade, baby".

Stupid trade by the Rockets. Stupid, stupid, stupid. First it was Swift, now Battier. Baaaaa. Their GM should be fired.

edit: OK, now they're saying the T-Wolves and Blazers are swapping Roy and Foye. What the fuck? There has to be a player or draft pick going the T-Wolves way. They could have drafted Foye when he was there for the taking. Anyways this is another retarded move by the Blazers. I'm assuming something else is going to the T-Wolves. Roy in my opinion is the most NBA ready player so they're getting a guy who is arguably better then Foye but they're totally wasting draft picks/players. There's no way the T-Wolves had Roy rated higher then Foye if they just traded for him. I highly doubt a 2nd round pick or Joe Blow, 12th on the debt chart, would make a difference in them taking a lesser valued player. Who is running the Blazers draft?

Swift sent back to the Grizz was a part of the Battier trade. That's hilarious. Atleast the Rockets freed up some money.
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post #37 of 119
6/29/06 at 2:08am
The story of the draft in my book is how Jerry West further cemented his status as best gm ever by finagling Rudy Gay out of the Rockets for fucking Shane Battier. Memphis goes from not even having a good draft pick to having in my opinion and many others the overall #1 player in the draft, unbelievable. Why the Raptors took the Italian 7 footer when they already have Bosh and Villaneuva is beyond me, I guess one of those guys will play small forward, they should've taken Gay or Morrison. Foye will be better than Telfair.

Anya, Brown doesn't really win that much. His Pistons title was a gift and had pretty much nothing to do with him, they were already the 2nd best team in the east under Carlisle and fast improving, then Prince matured and they picked up Rasheed, Brown was just a bystander. When the Sixers went to the finals that one year the east was the worst it has ever been in nba history, the Pistons weren't good yet, Kidd wasn't on the Nets yet, Alonzo Mourning was out with his kidney so the Heat were screwed, Ewing just hung up his Knicks uniform, and Rick Smits, Chris Mullin and I thin Mark Jackson all retired from the Pacers. It was the perfect storm, and they got beaten 4-1 in the finals. LB has a big pr machine behind him somehow, but he's really just an average coach at best.
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post #38 of 119
6/29/06 at 3:03am
Goddammit. What a shitty night to be a rockets fan.
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post #39 of 119
6/29/06 at 1:00pm
Foye is a great pick and Roy is def ready to contribute right away. The Blazers were insane tonight and as for the rockets, well at least they dont have stromile swift anymore. Battier is a solid player but its hard to understand what some of these GMs are thinking. The Telfair thing is still weird, he was the number 13 pick pnly 2 years ago and yes he cant shoot to well (putting it nicely) but thats been the knock on JKidd his whole career and who wouldnt want him in his prime. Then the celtics get rondo who is almost the same kind of player as telfair. Ainge is insane, he could have just taken foye and been done with it
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post #40 of 119
6/29/06 at 1:15pm
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Rondo and Telfair aren't really similar players. One can actually run an offense and one can't.

Larry Brown "doesn't really win that much" and Larry Brown "is just an average coach at best" are 2 incredibly false statements. Larry Loyalty might be a dick but the man can coach his ass off with the best of 'em.
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post #41 of 119
6/29/06 at 1:20pm
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Originally Posted by heLL pAso
The Jail Blazers are a bit of an enigma tonight. What were they thinking trading up for Aldridge when he would've been there at 4? The Bulls torched 'em on that one.
Form what I heard, the Bulls were getting a lot of offers for that pick. The Blazers really wanted Aldridge, and guaranteed it with that trade. I think it was smart.

The Blazers did quite well actually. All the trades aside, they ended up with two good players, and revitalized the roster. Sure they're young as hell, but they are in a better position then they were two days ago. The sooner Z-Bo and Miles are gone, the better. Hopefully they get two good veterans to replace those knuckleheads, and they'll be alright...

Edit to Add: From Chad Ford's chat:


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Originally Posted by Chad Ford
What I was told was that the Wolves were selecting Roy for Houston and that Houston was going to take Foye and another asset (Luther Head or a future No. 1) and swap them for Roy. However, the Blazers figured it out, drafted Foye, and killed the deal. That's why the Wolves essentially swapped No. 6 for No. 7 without any compensation.
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post #42 of 119
6/29/06 at 1:36pm
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If they really wanted Aldridge that bad then fine but I think they're incredibly naive in making the deal. Everybody knew the Bulls wanted Thomas. There was no way the Bobcats were taking him or Aldridge with Okafor and May on the roster. Somebody could've traded up but sometimes you gotta gamble a bit. The Bulls did and they were rewarded with a player and a draft pick. It's not really a huge deal for the Blazers though. Most late picks never amount to anything and who in he hell did they even trade away? Some Euro I guess. If this was the NFL it would be a disaster like deal but in the NBA it's not so bad. They did land two of the better players in the draft and outsmarted the Rockets so at the end of the day it was a successful draft for them.
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post #43 of 119
6/29/06 at 1:38pm
The player the Blazers traded was Viktor Khryapa. Very solid role player, but not much else. Aldridge was worth it.
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post #44 of 119
6/29/06 at 1:43pm
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I still can't get that nightmarish LSU game out of my head though.
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post #45 of 119
6/29/06 at 3:24pm
Actually Rondo is an even worse shooter than telfair. sorry that was unfair to telfair to compare him to rondo in shooting ability.
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post #46 of 119
6/29/06 at 5:37pm
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Originally Posted by heLL pAso

Larry Brown "doesn't really win that much" and Larry Brown "is just an average coach at best" are 2 incredibly false statements. Larry Loyalty might be a dick but the man can coach his ass off with the best of 'em.
why? because that's "what people say"? Did you read my explanation of how his only two years making the finals were a fluke and not because of him? The only other thing he's done in his pro coaching career is coach above 500 teams with a young David Robinson and a young Danny Manning, big f ing deal. If you want to see an example of what kind of coach he is think about how he is the only coach to ever lose in the Olympics with pros, and he lost badly, and what a great job he did last year with the Knicks.
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post #47 of 119
6/29/06 at 5:39pm
I also think both Aldridge and Roy are overrated.
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post #48 of 119
6/29/06 at 6:00pm
Larry Brown is a great coach. How is there an argument here? The Knicks was a bad move for him to make but the blame goes on Isiah and Dolan for assembliing that team of losers. The Pistons were a fluke? i would like that explained a little more. Before Larry they couldnt get past the nets and after larry they couldnt get past the heat.
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post #49 of 119
6/29/06 at 6:17pm
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Originally Posted by Calitheus
Actually Rondo is an even worse shooter than telfair. sorry that was unfair to telfair to compare him to rondo in shooting ability.
Yeah that's pretty much it. Rondo is a better athlete and defender but he's garbage at running the show. Kentucky always looked out of sync with him at the helm.

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Originally Posted by swedish miyagi
why? because that's "what people say"? Did you read my explanation of how his only two years making the finals were a fluke and not because of him? The only other thing he's done in his pro coaching career is coach above 500 teams with a young David Robinson and a young Danny Manning, big f ing deal. If you want to see an example of what kind of coach he is think about how he is the only coach to ever lose in the Olympics with pros, and he lost badly, and what a great job he did last year with the Knicks.
I read your explanation and it's an extremely lame knock on Brown. It's filled with excuses. Oh, he only won a championship because of this and he only made a finals because of that. You seem to have forgetten the fact that he won. End of story. Carlisle didn't do it and neither did Flipper. Brown helped them get over the top. I suppose Phil Jackson road coattails too? What about Kansas or I guess you have no knowledge about college hoops. Danning Manning baby! There's your comeback, right? The Pistons a fluke? Yeah ok.

Roy is nowhere near an overrrated player either. If anything he's underrated. Did you even watch him play? He's a terrifc player. The best player in the Pac-10 for 2 years running and he has an NBA body. He'll never be a 25-30 point scorer but he's solid in pretty much every aspect of the game and on top of everything he's a mature leader. You couldn't ask for anything more out of a #6 pick.
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post #50 of 119
6/29/06 at 6:36pm
Roy is good, but he's not great, people are acting like he's better than he is is all I'm saying. I think Gay and Foye are easily better than him. I wouldve even taken Thabo Sefalosha ahead of him, he looks awesome. I think Roy is the kind of guy that will get devalued once he plays against nba guys who have no problem matching up with his size and athleticism. Th pac 10 and the nba are two entirely different things.

with LB, excuses....valid reasons, what's the difference. And if it wasn't absolutely clear, I didn't say the "Pistons" winning was a fluke, it wasn't at all, I was saying Larry Brown being associated with them winning was a fluke, he had basically nothing to do with it.

"His Pistons title was a gift and had pretty much nothing to do with him, they were already the 2nd best team in the east under Carlisle and fast improving, then Prince matured and they picked up Rasheed, Brown was just a bystander." I think they picked up Chauncey in that time as well.

The sixers finals situation was all true and very relevant. I can't believe people don't discredit him for his job with the Olympic team and the Knicks. He rode Manning to the college title but I'm talking pro coaching here since they're totally different jobs.
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