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post #51 of 119
6/29/06 at 7:08pm
i still dont see how Larry was a bystander for the Pistons Title and the 7 games they played against the Spurs in 2005. Carlisle is a good coach but i think its safe to say he was not gonna get the Pistons over the hump. Larry Brown was as important to that title as any pistons player. All you have to do is look at the Pistons playoff team this year to realize that. With Larry they won, without him they were just the NBA version of the Colts.

Is boston gonna try to just package telfair with a pick and another body to get AI? Danny Ainge stinks.

Also whats the thoughts on the Nets picks. I am a nets fan and i am pretty happy with it. If Williams works out he could be the answer to resting Jkidd during the regular season and Boone wants to be a rebounder and defender which is exactly what we need. Some character issues but we will see how that works out.
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post #52 of 119
6/29/06 at 7:22pm
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Brown winning an NCAA Championship with Kansas helps the argument that he's a winner. Somehow winning in the NCAA doesn't count but losing in the Olympics does.

Thabo Sefalosha is a guy I would bet you've never seen play in your life but somehow no questions asked he "looks better" then Roy because of the nice 30 sec clip reel ESPN showed us last night. It's funny how you devalue Roy because he actually has an ideal physique for a shooting guard while Randy Foye is a classic case of a tweener but somehow that's ideal. By the way I love Foye but not as much as Roy.

Gay on the otherhand is the player that is overrated. He's never lived up to his billing. All the talent in the world but all he's done is crash and burn. Maybe he'll do a complete 360 like his fellow Husky Charlie Villanueva. Atleast he has Fratello to give his ass a kick start.

By the way Carlisle had Billups for a season and got fired in the process. Billups has acknowledge in the past that Larry Brown helped his game immensely. He became a better point guard because of him. Are you gonna make an argument that Greg Pops is a shitty coach too and a born loser because all the other Spurs coaches never had Tim Duncan?

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Originally Posted by Calitheus
Also whats the thoughts on the Nets picks. I am a nets fan and i am pretty happy with it. If Williams works out he could be the answer to resting Jkidd during the regular season and Boone wants to be a rebounder and defender which is exactly what we need. Some character issues but we will see how that works out.
Williams at #22 is amazing value. I thought he could go in the top 10. This guy has red flags all over him but he's a gamer. He always seemed to step it up for UCONN when they really needed him.

I'm not that high on Boone but they could've done a whole lot worse. He's a big body so he should be able to give them some minutes off the bench early on.

Adams late in the 2nd was a really nice pick up. He should make their roster. Like you said, character issues are involved with these picks. That's never a good thing but I guess we'll see how it turns out. I'm hoping it's a disaster.
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post #53 of 119
6/29/06 at 7:41pm
wait who do you like Hell Paso?

Boone i like, right now, Who knows what is gonna happen by the time the season rolls around. Alexander Johnson is a guy i liked a lot too. What i like is that Uconn has produced some good pros lately and Boone is a guy who seems to want to Defend and Board, which could be the difference. The Marcus Williams pick is obviously nice. I forgot to mention how much i like the Hassan Adams pick as well.

As for Foye and Roy i totally agree. Roy is good to go and Foye is only 6'3. He is like McCants without the attitude. I like em both but between one or the other i go Roy.

Enough said about larry brown
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post #54 of 119
6/29/06 at 8:18pm
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Who do I like? What team you mean? That little team they call the MIAMI HEAT!

I don't really like the McCants comparison for Foye. While McCants is an extremely talanted scorer who can shot lights out he can't control the ball like Foye. Foye may be undersized but he can be a hybrid 1 and 2 like Wade, Arenas and Iverson.
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post #55 of 119
6/29/06 at 9:27pm
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Originally Posted by Calitheus
i still dont see how Larry was a bystander for the Pistons Title and the 7 games they played against the Spurs in 2005. Carlisle is a good coach but i think its safe to say he was not gonna get the Pistons over the hump. Larry Brown was as important to that title as any pistons player. All you have to do is look at the Pistons playoff team this year to realize that. With Larry they won, without him they were just the NBA version of the Colts.

How the hell is it safe to say that Carlisle wouldn't have gotten them over the hump, that's absurd. Carlisle is very responsible for making the Pistons the hardnosed defensive and efficient team they are today, he's more responsible than Brown is for the Pistons success and got completely screwed when they didn't even give him the opportunity to continue what he started. He never got to use Rasheed or an adjusted Prince. I think any decent coach could've taken the Pistons to a championship in those years. THey didn't change anything about how they played from when Carlisle was coach to when Brown took over, they just got a few better players. By the way, in 2005 the Pistons were lucky to beat the Heat since Wade got injured and it went to 7 games. And this year the Pistons had a their best record in frachise history. In the playoffs, I think they played like a team that wasn't as hungry since they had already won a ring and had a great record. That and Wade was healthy and playing better than ever. I actually think Brown is a good college coach since he's more of a selfish dictator and that shit flies with impressionable kids and not with millionaires, that and recruiting matters a lot and if you recruit Danny Manning you're good at that.

About Roy, his body, that's what I'm saying, he was a good player in college because he has an nba body and athleticism that overwhelms people. But in the nba......everybody has that body so his trump card is removed. Foye on the other hand while smaller, is a better shooter and I believe a better finisher too, and a better playmaker passer. Everybody in the nba can't do all that shit like Foye can. And Rudy Gay overrated??? He went 8th, he was a hotly debated 1st pick. People overreacted to the "he doesn't try hard" rap and underrated his ability. Thabo I am going by the 30 second clip which is very non-thorough. But he did some things in that 30 second clip that show he has an edge on Roy in athleticism, he looked like a better version of Roy, but I was just throwing that out there. I doubt if I watched a bunch of his euro games I would change my ming though. I like the Hassan Adams pick by the Nets. WHile he is kind of out of control, he has some skill and his athleticism is in the top 5% of the nba which will make a nice sub in for Vince and RJ. The big men should be decent picks too.
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post #56 of 119
6/29/06 at 9:32pm
saying carlise wouldnt have gotten them over the hump is no more absurd than saying Larry Brown was a bystander while coachin his team to a title. Carlisle had a chance to prove how hardnosed and good his team was when they played the nets in the 2003 conference finals. They got swept, actually they got demolished in that series.
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post #57 of 119
6/29/06 at 10:31pm
did they start Rasheed Wallace or Tayshaun Prince in that series?
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post #58 of 119
6/29/06 at 11:28pm
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You're arguments are so fucking one dimensional. You look at things in the wrong way. You wouldn't know if Tayshaun Prince was Scottie Pippen. You're trying to make it out that it's 100% guaranteed Carlisle would've won the championship with the Pistons if he stayed there for one more season. How about Jerry Stackhouse? You were making him out to be a worthless piece of shit when he easily in his sleep could've done everything that Rip did that season. So I guess if Larry Brown was lucky, and a fluke, to land with the Pistons where he won a championship then it must mean Rip was too, right? Carlisle wins a ring, then that must mean Stack would've too? You weren't saying that 2 weeks ago now were you!

How about Chauncey Billups who outside of maybe Ben Wallace is the most important player on the Pistons. He went from a bust 1st round pick to a solid role player to a super star because of Larry Brown. Oh no I forgot Larry Brown can do no good.

The Olympics is an all star parade for the players and judging Brown on that is another lame attempt to lower him. The Knicks are a total disgrace where Dean Smith, John Wooden and Red Auerbach could've joined forces and that team would have still completely failed. Forget his ring (it was a fluke), forget his countless playoffs appearances and forget his NCAA title, that was all Danny Manning. Forget that he actually made an NBA finals with AI. The East sucked. Forget that he won, forget that he won again and again and again. It was all a fluke, it was all luck. Pat Riley is in the same boat too I suppose. Stan Van Gundy is just as good as him, right?

Now on to Roy...according to you he has this huge advantage because *gasp* he's 6'6. You wouldn't know if he was 8 feet tall. So Roy can no longer do what he did in college but Foye, who's at even more of a disadvantage in the NBA, can. Ever hear of a two way street? You're explainations are extremely weak. Did you ever consider, seeing how Roy is 6'6 he won't be at a disadvantage? Is that far too difficult to comprehend? Did you ever think if Foye was just tall enough for college then maybe he'll be undersized in the NBA? Of course not, it's just way beyond you. If Foye doesn't become a point guard and learn how to see the court better he'll never amount to anything more then a one dimensional scorer. Did you ever consider that UW played in a 3 guard set? Roy was a SG/SF. He'd be playing against bigger players in many instances. It's not like he was constantly posting up on 6'2 players.

Foye a better shooter then Roy? Ok so Roy has a career FG% that's over 50 while Foye's is under 40. Hmmmm. Randy Foye sounds a lot like JERRY STACKHOUSE to me. Isn't that under your mendoza line?
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post #59 of 119
6/30/06 at 9:23am
"Carlisle wins a ring, then that must mean Stack would've too? You weren't saying that 2 weeks ago now were you!"

I'm not saying that now either. Stackhouse wouldn't have done as good a job with the Pistons as Rip did. Like I said before Stack is selfish and would've fucked up the way the team plays together.

"How about Chauncey Billups who outside of maybe Ben Wallace is the most important player on the Pistons. He went from a bust 1st round pick to a solid role player to a super star because of Larry Brown. "

bullshit. Billups in his first and only year on the Pistons with Carlisle had virtually the same production as he did in the next two with Brown. 16 points, 1 less assist but 1 less turnover. Actually Billups had his best year ever last year with Saunders (who I think is nothing special as a coach) with career highs in points and assists.

"The Olympics is an all star parade for the players and judging Brown on that is another lame attempt to lower him."

why? he had more talent on his team than every other team had, yet he got his ass kicked. Every other dream team got the job done but his. It was a disgrace.

"Pat Riley is in the same boat too I suppose. Stan Van Gundy is just as good as him, right?"

Riley is a better coach than Stan, judging by his 4 rings with the Lakers. But yeah, he basically stole a ring from Van Gundy. If Wade didn't get injured in the playoffs last year they would've had a very strong chance of winning since even with him injured they still lost in 7 to the Pistons. And this year he never had a chance with a healthy Wade.

"Did you ever think if Foye was just tall enough for college then maybe he'll be undersized in the NBA? Of course not, it's just way beyond you. "

retard, Foye was at a size disadvantage all through college, so nothing will be different in the nba on that front for him, he'll still be at a size disadvantage. Roy was at a size advantage for an athletic 2 guard in college, but that will change in the nba. But the fg% point is good, I didn't realize that Foye's fg% was that low, I like him less now. Roy is good, but I'd take Rudy Gay over him easily.
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post #60 of 119
6/30/06 at 11:21am
Wouldnt you say Rudy Gay underachieved this year though. I mean he was the projected number 1 when the season began and there were times when he didnt even play lke the best player on his team. He dissappointed a lot during last season and he didnt show one ounce of competitivesness. And i tried to defend him all the way, he has a great NBA Body, he can shoot, he can jump out of the building and he can board. But does he want to play hard for anyone? its the real question. If a coach can get that fire in him then he will be really good.

And what hell paso is saying about Billups is that he personally credits brown for making him a better player. Anyway lets go NETS
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post #61 of 119
6/30/06 at 11:29am
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You give John Shade a run for the money for biggest basketball dumbass. Here we go again "mr nba.com is where I learn my basketball knowledge". Billups himself has acknowledge Brown helped his game. He became a better point guard in distributing the ball. He had his best statistical season under Flipper? Larry Loyalty already helped him by this point! Again your one dimensional way in thinking couldn't help you in this. And Flipper certainly helped him light it up in the playoffs too. Just as Carlisle. I suppose Billups winning Finals MVP was just a fluke under Larry too?

USA basketball has been shitty for awhile. Get over it.

Riles turned the Heat around this year and if you can't see that then you're the one who is mentally challenged. Van Gundy wouldn't have been able to get those guys to play the kinda D Riles got them to in the playoffs. Even if the Heat beat the Pistons last season they still had to go through the Spurs with homecourt against them. Yeah they'd win definitely! No questions asked. Tim Duncan is over the hill! Big Shot Bob would run out of gas. Eddie Jones would've made Ginobili look like a little school girl. Damon Jones would've suddenly found his shooting touch. Guaranteed.

6'3 shooting guards aren't really undersized in college. That's why you see a lot of them light it up in college only to falter in the NBA. They need to play point in the NBA unless they're unreal from behind the arc. I'm talking to you Joseph Forte.

By the way you basically contradicted your entire argument towards Roy. According to you Foye is undersized as a shooting guard in college so wouldn't that mean you think most shooting guards are basically in the 6'5-6'6 range? Doesn't Roy fall into this threshold?

Thanks again for proving your total lack of basketball knowledge. Foye doesn't shot 45% from the floor so he's not as good as you once thought. All it takes is a number on a computer screen for you to knock a player down a few pegs. Maybe you should actually watch the game. You're like a computer/simulator.
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post #62 of 119
6/30/06 at 12:35pm
"Billups himself has acknowledge Brown helped his game. He became a better point guard in distributing the ball. He had his best statistical season under Flipper? Larry Loyalty already helped him by this point! Again your one dimensional way in thinking couldn't help you in this."

you could also say that Carlisle helped Billups' play and that's why he played well under Larry. I partially buy what Billups has said about Larry making him a better player, but basically all we're talking about there is "Hey Chauncey, we're going to need you to be more of a point guard, how about passing the ball a little more." That and the fact that Larry always guilt trips people into kissing ass with compliments.

I forgot to mention that Van Gundy also didn't have the opportunity to go to the playoffs with the role players they had this year. It's good to see you're on a nickname basis with "Riles."

"By the way you basically contradicted your entire argument towards Roy. According to you Foye is undersized as a shooting guard in college so wouldn't that mean you think most shooting guards are basically in the 6'5-6'6 range? Doesn't Roy fall into this threshold?"

I would say 6'5" is average and yes Roy falls into the upper part of that range but at that size he plays like a guy who's only 6' giving him an edge on slower 6'5" guys. In the nba they're more like 6'7" and they aren't slower.

FG% is a very underrated stat in my book. Winning teams rarely have their star player(s) under 45%. Just because I check out stats it doesn't mean I don't watch games. Every gm on the planet looks at stats, I guess they've never seen a game either. You sound like a guy who just parrot's shit you here people say on tv.
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post #63 of 119
6/30/06 at 1:13pm
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No I actually watch the game. Stats aren't everything. If that was the case then Josh Howard would be what you'd call a middle of the line player and Al Harrington would be more of a star. Sure stats can help evaluate a player to a certain point but there's many little distinguished aspects that stats can never reveal. Please watch the game before you spout off rhetoric bullshit. You've already proven your complete lack of knowledge of college basketball and everything else for that matter.

Billups only revealed Brown helped his game because he guilt trip him into saying it? Do you realize how ridiculous you sound?

Nice comeback by saying I call Riley by his nickname. I guess everyone in the world is a doucebag for calling Michael Jordan MJ and Dwyane Wade D-Wade. How about Shaq? Go blow it out of your ass.

6'7 the average height for NBA shooting guards? You're insane.
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post #64 of 119
6/30/06 at 2:51pm
its gettin a little testy in this bitch
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post #65 of 119
6/30/06 at 4:21pm
I look at stats AND watch games, it's not an either or situation. MJ, DWade, and Shaq are abbreviations. "Riles" is just gay. 6'7" is insane, ok is 6'6" insane, sometimes guys like Kobe, Vince, etc. are listed at both. How ever tall you think Jerry Stackhouse is that's how tall an average shooting guard is.
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post #66 of 119
6/30/06 at 4:23pm
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Yes calling someone by their nickname is gay! I'm a homo! SHAQ DADDY!
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post #67 of 119
6/30/06 at 4:25pm
It's good that you're finally out of the closet
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post #68 of 119
6/30/06 at 6:12pm
Riles is an accepted abbreviaton for Pat Riley.
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post #69 of 119
7/1/06 at 3:50am
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Swedish-miyagi is so out of it he doesn't realize that though. He doesn't like what i've been saying so the best he can come up with is the gay card. What a guy!

Well it looks like I was wrong, the Raptors traded Villanueva after and got TJ Ford in return. I guess this makes since after they drafted not only Bargnani but Tucker too. They had too many forwards so someone had to go. I wonder how this effects Mike James?
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post #70 of 119
7/1/06 at 1:05pm
wow. just read the villanueva trade and i am legitimately shocked. I like Ford a lot, he is a bit undersized and his shot comes and goes but he is a tough son of a bitch. I assume this means James is gone, apparently Houston wants him. You think Ford and Bosh can push them to a 7 or 8 spot in the playoffs? I think its highly possible. the real question is what are the bucks doin for a PG. They have a nice frontline and Redd but they need a playmaker. I am not sure who is available in Free Agency but i imagine they are gonna sign someone pretty soon.
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post #71 of 119
7/1/06 at 1:18pm
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The Bucks still have Mo Williams. He's solid enough to be their starter.

Ford's spine better hold up or this will be a disaster for the Raptors. Doctors were actually worried if his career might be over only a year or two ago. He's shown a lot of toughness overcoming it so far so hopefully it stays that way.

James Posey exercise his option to remain with the Heat for one more year. Great news!
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post #72 of 119
7/1/06 at 10:28pm
The New Orleans Hornets are about to shock some people.

Look for them to sign Peja to a big deal soon, for them to trade PJ Brown and JR Smith to the Bulls for Tyson Chandler and Malik Allen, and perhaps even a S&T of Speedy Claxton to Dallas for Marquis Daniels. I know someone fairly high with the team and they feel pretty confident with all of this. They also just had a very solid draft getting bigmen in Hilton Armstrong and Cedric Simmons, and picked up a solid Brazilian prospect in Vinicius in the 2nd.
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post #73 of 119
7/1/06 at 11:32pm
Yeah i just saw the Peja news, good pick up for the hornets, looking to make a serious playoff push next year and they should be able to barring injuries.

Mo Williams is ok but I imagine they are gonna try to sign or trade for another point.
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post #74 of 119
7/1/06 at 11:54pm
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Originally Posted by Matt Sutton
The New Orleans Hornets are about to shock some people.

Look for them to sign Peja to a big deal soon, for them to trade PJ Brown and JR Smith to the Bulls for Tyson Chandler and Malik Allen, and perhaps even a S&T of Speedy Claxton to Dallas for Marquis Daniels.
please don't tease. Tyson Chandler is a huge disappointment. Bulls could have had Jason Richardson and Pau Gasol or even Shane Battier. All improvements over the 2 high school bums.
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post #75 of 119
7/2/06 at 1:40pm
I've been told the Chandler deal could happen today. The same person who told me about the Peja deal in advance said this, and he also told me today that Duhon COULD be involved. He also said that another team came into the picture for PJ Brown so it could complicate things.
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post #76 of 119
7/2/06 at 3:13pm
Is another team in it for JR Smith? Unless it's just a salary trade I don't see alot of interest in PJ Brown.

Looks like the Bulls want to clear more money and cap space for Ben Wallace and next years free agents.
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post #77 of 119
7/2/06 at 6:09pm
PJ is an expiring contract and he is a very experienced, very saavy, very underrated big man with a nice jump shot.

I am told that the Chandler/Allen PJ/JR trade WILL happen today, Duhon is not part of it and Ben Wallace will be a Bull.

I am also told by the same guy that the Hornets signed Bobby Jackson to backup Chris Paul at PG to a 2-3 year deal in the 2.5 per range. It hasn't been announced yet but it will be in a few hours. The Hornets are doing a very good job to make themselves competitive in the West and surround Chris Paul and David West with guys that can play. The needed scorers, perimeter shooters and bigmen and they are getting them in a big way.
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post #78 of 119
7/2/06 at 6:09pm
PJ is an expiring contract and he is a very experienced, very saavy, very underrated big man with a nice jump shot.

I am told that the Chandler/Allen PJ/JR trade WILL happen today, Duhon is not part of it and Ben Wallace will be a Bull.

I am also told by the same guy that the Hornets signed Bobby Jackson to backup Chris Paul at PG to a 2-3 year deal in the 2.5 per range. It hasn't been announced yet but it will be in a few hours. The Hornets are doing a very good job to make themselves competitive in the West and surround Chris Paul and David West with guys that can play. The needed scorers, perimeter shooters and bigmen and they are getting them in a big way.
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post #79 of 119
7/2/06 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by Matt Sutton
PJ is an expiring contract and he is a very experienced, very saavy, very underrated big man with a nice jump shot.

I am told that the Chandler/Allen PJ/JR trade WILL happen today, Duhon is not part of it and Ben Wallace will be a Bull.
I just meant PJ is 36. I wanted him as a Bull way back, but he's not a player you are going to count on 3 years from now.

If Wallace is a Bull I expect a 5 or 6 year deal. And if Wallace plays like the Defensive Player of the year the Bulls will be a very fun team to watch.
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post #80 of 119
7/2/06 at 6:25pm
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Originally Posted by Matt Sutton
PJ is an expiring contract and he is a very experienced, very saavy, very underrated big man with a nice jump shot.

I am told that the Chandler/Allen PJ/JR trade WILL happen today, Duhon is not part of it and Ben Wallace will be a Bull.
I just meant PJ is 36. I wanted him as a Bull way back, but he's not a player you are going to count on 3 years from now.

If Wallace is a Bull I expect a 5 or 6 year deal. And if Wallace plays like the Defensive Player of the year the Bulls will be a very fun team to watch.
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post #81 of 119
7/2/06 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
I just meant PJ is 36. I wanted him as a Bull way back, but he's not a player you are going to count on 3 years from now.

If Wallace is a Bull I expect a 5 or 6 year deal. And if Wallace plays like the Defensive Player of the year the Bulls will be a very fun team to watch.
The Bulls already are a fun team to watch, with Ben Wallace we'll be the team to beat.
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post #82 of 119
7/2/06 at 8:19pm
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
I just meant PJ is 36. I wanted him as a Bull way back, but he's not a player you are going to count on 3 years from now.

If Wallace is a Bull I expect a 5 or 6 year deal. And if Wallace plays like the Defensive Player of the year the Bulls will be a very fun team to watch.
The Bulls already are a fun team to watch, with Ben Wallace we'll be the team to beat.
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post #83 of 119
7/2/06 at 8:24pm
Wallace would be a nice fit in chicago. Not having a quality bigman hurt them in the playoffs.
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post #84 of 119
7/2/06 at 8:24pm
Wallace would be a nice fit in chicago. Not having a quality bigman hurt them in the playoffs.
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post #85 of 119
7/2/06 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by JuddL
The Bulls already are a fun team to watch, with Ben Wallace we'll be the team to beat.
LeBron will have something to say about that. Bulls still can't guard the 2 yet unless the rookie they drafted is better than expected.
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post #86 of 119
7/2/06 at 8:37pm
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Originally Posted by JuddL
The Bulls already are a fun team to watch, with Ben Wallace we'll be the team to beat.
LeBron will have something to say about that. Bulls still can't guard the 2 yet unless the rookie they drafted is better than expected.
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post #87 of 119
7/3/06 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
I just meant PJ is 36. I wanted him as a Bull way back, but he's not a player you are going to count on 3 years from now.
He only has a year left on his contract so they don't need him beyond next year. Brown has atleast one more solid year in him. Then they'd gain cap room for '08.

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Originally Posted by JuddL
The Bulls already are a fun team to watch, with Ben Wallace we'll be the team to beat.
I guess you've already written off the defending champions.

I find it funny how there's been crazy rumors involving Chandler going to teams. The Bulls weakness was that they had no quality big man and somehow these teams think he's their answer? The Bulls would be lucky to get rid of him if this Hornets rumored deal is legit.
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post #88 of 119
7/3/06 at 12:11pm
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
I just meant PJ is 36. I wanted him as a Bull way back, but he's not a player you are going to count on 3 years from now.
He only has a year left on his contract so they don't need him beyond next year. Brown has atleast one more solid year in him. Then they'd gain cap room for '08.

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Originally Posted by JuddL
The Bulls already are a fun team to watch, with Ben Wallace we'll be the team to beat.
I guess you've already written off the defending champions.

I find it funny how there's been crazy rumors involving Chandler going to teams. The Bulls weakness was that they had no quality big man and somehow these teams think he's their answer? The Bulls would be lucky to get rid of him if this Hornets rumored deal is legit.
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post #89 of 119
7/3/06 at 9:45pm

Benny the Bull arrested for hitting a Sheriff's deputy
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“Benny the Bull” -- the Chicago Bulls team mascot -- was arrested Sunday afternoon for hitting an off-duty Cook County Sheriff's deputy at the Taste of Chicago, according to police.

Barry Anderson, 26, also known as “Benny the Bull,” was cited with driving on a sidewalk and charged with battery, a misdemeanor, while at Grant Park, 700 S. Columbus Dr., about 6:30 p.m. Sunday, according to police News Affairs Officer Laura Kubiak.

Anderson was working as “Benny” and driving a mini-motorcycle without permission of the Chicago Park District or the City of Chicago when police approached him and he drove off, Kubiak said.
First Da Bull was arrested for selling marijuana and now this. A black eye to all mascots. I'm sure sexual abuse charges will be coming soon.
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post #90 of 119
7/3/06 at 9:45pm
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Originally Posted by ESPN
Source: Big Ben Heading To Bulls
The biggest free-agent prize of the NBA offseason appears to be off the market. Ben Wallace has informed the Pistons he will sign with the Bulls, Insider Chad Ford reports. The deal is believed to be $52 million for four years.
Huge, just huge.
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post #91 of 119
7/3/06 at 9:50pm
Ben Wallace is one scary looking motherfucker. It looks like a mugshot on ESPN.com.

Now if the Bulls can get something good for Chandler and add a little more offense the Bulls might just win the Central.

As a Chicago fan I still fear he'll be crap. I'm glad it's not aa 5 or 6 year deal. Paxon didn't have to overpay.

*And I thought the Detroit offer was 4years @48 or 49 million. Must have been a bogus report on that.
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post #92 of 119
7/4/06 at 3:22am
Bulls may have just nearly made themselves the team to beat in the East. They gave the Heat trouble in their series and the lack of a quality big man hurt them. Not anymore.
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post #93 of 119
7/4/06 at 12:11pm
I thought 52 was low. It's repported now it's more near 60 million. Still fine by me.
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post #94 of 119
7/4/06 at 3:33pm
What I'm hearing now is that its PJ Brown, JR Smith and Arvydas Macijauskas for Tyson Chandler and Malik Allen. The Hornets don't particularly want Allen and the Bulls don't particularly want Mache, so reportedly there may be a 3rd team involved and weirdly enough, some are saying its Detroit. Can't confirm that, but I can confirm this trade at least between the Hornets and Bulls is 90% a go.

This trade rumor is now being reported by the mainstream press today, just in case you doubted me.
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post #95 of 119
7/5/06 at 6:54pm
ESPN is announcing that the Chicago/New Orleans trade is official. Its PJ Brown and JR Smith for Tyson Chandler.

The Hornets lineup is now:

PG: Chris Paul /Bobby Jackson/Moochie Norris
SG: Peja /Kirk Snyder/Bobby Jackson
SF: Dez Mason /Linton Johnson/Marcus Vinicius De Souza
PF: David West /Mark Jackson/Brandon Bass/ Cedric Simmons
C: Tyson Chandler/ Hilton Armstrong/ Cedric Simmons

That's a playoff starting lineup IMO. That team is going to make some waves.

The Bulls now may be the team to beat in the East.
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post #96 of 119
7/5/06 at 7:06pm
What's the deal with JR Smith? Strengths, weaknesses, and why was he traded.

looking at his stats the kid can't shoot for shit. Under 40%.

Bulls line up

PG-Hinrich, Duhon
SG-Gordon, Sefolosha, J.R. Smith
SF-Nocioni, Deng, Khryapa
PF-PJ Brown, Thomas
C-Wallace, Sweetney

I'm sure Pax still isn't done.
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post #97 of 119
7/5/06 at 7:53pm
JR Smith was drafted outta HS and he seems to have a bad attitude. Apparently Byron did not like him at all and therefore did not play him. Maybe a change of scenery will help and maybe he has matured, he can jump out of the building and he has some potential. A good risk/reward idea for the Bulls considering they only had to give up Chandler.
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post #98 of 119
7/5/06 at 8:07pm
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Originally Posted by Anyawatchin Angel
What's the deal with JR Smith? Strengths, weaknesses, and why was he traded.
JR is pure and simple a knucklehead. He's dumb as a bag full of rocks, and he's completely immature. He tosses up brick after brick and doesn't stop. His shot selection is awful. He plays no defense. He either doesn't bother to learn the offense or he can't. During pre-game warmups and practice he shoots shots from half-court and practices dunks instead of doing the real team warmups. He actually asked David Wesley during his rookie season if practice was mandatory. I know a lot of this stuff because I know people with the team...obviously since I had the info on Peja and this trade well in advance. Byron Scott gave up on him and tried to show him some tough love. He benched him in the hope that it would get the kid to take his career seriously and start staying after practice and in the offseason to work on his game. He never did.

That being said, JR is tremendously talented, he is a great athlete. He has AMAZING hops. That kid is certainly one of the best dunkers in the league. He CAN shoot the rock, and if he practiced, he would be an above average shooter. But JR's problems are not physical, but mental. He's still very young and I hope the light comes on for him.

PJ, on the other hand, is a class act. PJ is probably the most beloved Hornet player. This is a 14 year vet who stays an hour after practice to work on his foul shooting. Every single Hornets first round pick has gotten invited to his home to practice with him. He really takes young players under his wing. His mid-range jumper is automatic. The guy is going to do wonders with your young players for the year he is there, and you're going to get a very solid 20 minutes out of him per game. I hope PJ comes back to work for the Hornets FO as he has stated he would like to do (he's from the New Orleans area, Slidell, the same area that Chris Duhon is from).
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post #99 of 119
7/5/06 at 8:09pm
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I'm perplexed how 3 people on this board have already mentioned that the Bulls are either 1) the team to beat in the East or 2) maybe/probably the team to beat in the East. You wouldn't know if Ben Wallace alone guarantees 2 extra wins for the Bulls in a 7 game series against the Heat when his team this past season, that had a better roster then the 2006-07 Bulls, got manhandled by them. This is including Wallace who was their most idiotic player! There's no doubt the Bulls are the rise but as GOB Bluth would say "Come on!".
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post #100 of 119
7/5/06 at 8:25pm
I'd say the Bulls are a top 3 team with the Heat and Cavs. It all depends on how well Duhon, Deng, and Gordon play.

I would assume JR Smith is a free agent(restricted) after this year so Unless he impresses he'll be out. And Skiles will kill the kid if he does that crap and will have no problem sitting him forever.

Heard Tyson on the radio in Chicago and he went out classy. Funniest thing he said was that he was always an offensive player before the NBA. Not hard to score at 7'1 in HS.

He's a great worker, good defender and can be a force on the boards at times. He has no offensive game at all. 5 years in the league and he's added no moves. He likes to foull people too. As long as the Hornets just need defense and rebounds he'll be fine.

So what other things are in the works for the NBA? Any chance Garnett goes?
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