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post #51 of 77
7/9/06 at 1:43am
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Originally Posted by Nigel St. Buggering
Uh, yes it is. A comic called "The Rocketeer". Check facts before making statement.
No shit? (mumbles through shoe) Cool.


Regardless, Rocketeer the movie has always gotten a lot of love. It was a sleeper hit in the early summer of 1991. Made over $100 million.

And I vaguely remember Kevin Smith listing it as his favorite comic book film four or five years ago. That seemed to reignite people's awareness again.
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post #52 of 77
7/9/06 at 2:04am
Well, I hate to keep picking on your facts, but The Rocketeer was actually a total dud when it came out; it only made 46 million. I love the film, but it really didn't do well.
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post #53 of 77
7/9/06 at 2:42am
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All right, that's it. I'm hiring a full time fact-checker. I can pay you in slurpees and phantom menace taco bell mini-prizes.

Forgive me if I remember the summer of '91 (and '89) with rose colored glasses, I was an impressionable lad in the throes of puberty.

And just to quibble, 46 mil in 1989 isn't a dud, it's simply middling.
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post #54 of 77
7/10/06 at 3:47pm
Welcome to the boards, jefe. Looks like things are going to be rough for you and your horrendous tastes for a while, but them's the breaks.

I would be curious to hear by what criteria Spiderman 2 is not high in the running for best comic book/superhero movie ever. Really.
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post #55 of 77
7/10/06 at 4:05pm
Can somebody tell me what kind of a world do we live in where a movie called Batman gets none of the press?

BTW, this list's order is shite.
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post #56 of 77
7/10/06 at 4:18pm
Thread Starter 
This list needs an enema!
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post #57 of 77
7/11/06 at 9:31am
Burton's Batman honestly isn't as good as we remember it being when we were young'uns.
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post #58 of 77
7/11/06 at 10:17am
Thread Starter 
Perhaps, but being my introduction to the character, and one of my most watched movies age 7-12, theres no hope of me looking past my nostalgia.
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post #59 of 77
7/11/06 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette
Burton's Batman honestly isn't as good as we remember it being when we were young'uns.
Well, it was an iconic comic superhero film from my childhood and I saw it so many times, I have a better appreciation for it than most.

I watched bits and pieces of it when it aired on HBO recently and I was surprised that I still knew so many of the lines.
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post #60 of 77
7/11/06 at 2:19pm
I thought Batman Returns being there over batman was one of the few things that list got right.

For some reason, i've always enjoyed Returns much more than Batman.
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post #61 of 77
7/11/06 at 3:48pm
Returns is generally a more enjoyable movie than Batman.
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post #62 of 77
7/11/06 at 3:51pm
The only thing I don't like about Returns is that it really is Burton making the villains be the uncool kids who get their cool plans trashed by the bully at the end. I love the film utterly, just for the walking german expressionist reference that is Max.
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post #63 of 77
7/11/06 at 6:42pm
I always thought RETURNS was a pretty damn good film, if you were totally unwedded to the classic Penguin characterisation. DeVito is most definitely the best of the original-franchise villains. Hell, I'd say he's got Cillian Murphy and Liam Neeson beat too, given the screentime limitations that they suffered.
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post #64 of 77
7/11/06 at 11:07pm
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette
Burton's Batman honestly isn't as good as we remember it being when we were young'uns.
Hell, I was an adult when I first saw it, and it's even lost points with me. I think the warm greeting it received on its release had a lot to do with how badly people wanted to see a serious Batman movie. Just releasing the character from the bonds of the TV series and Super Friends and making a real movie out of him was enough to be excited about. But in retrospect, yes, it has far more serious problems than we were willing to see at the time.

Batman Returns, though, is still one of my favorite superhero movies. It very much takes place in Burtonland, and is a bit more mean-spirited than most Batman fans would like, but it all works extremely well.
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post #65 of 77
7/12/06 at 12:07am
It's nice to see some Batman Returns love in here.

Most people I know prefer Batman and Batman Forever, and frankly I don't get it. Batman's got some great stuff in it, and it's extremely quotable("is that you sugarbumps?!"), but it's got too much ill-fitting Prince music, too much Vicki Vale shrieking, and a scene where Bruce Wayne becomes Beetlejuice for no reason.

Returns has it' own share of problems(hey, I like the penguin army), but it seems like less of a "by committee" film than the first one. That may not be the case at all, but it just feels that way. Plus it's darker, the score is even better than the first, the action scenes are better done(never Burton's strong suit), it's more quotable, and it has Walken(when he still had some menace in him).
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post #66 of 77
7/12/06 at 12:18am
RETURNS is ok. I find it really hard to sit through, though.

I'm happy to see the odd snippet of HULK love here, though.
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post #67 of 77
7/12/06 at 1:38am
I will defend Hulk to the death.

I think the biggest problems people had was either it wasn't what they expected or it wasn't what they wanted. I think more people would have liked it had they gone in with an open mind.
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post #68 of 77
7/12/06 at 1:45am
I love movies that are unlike any other movie, and Hulk fulfills that criterion. It's unique. I think people went in expecting a fairly standard superhero movie, with plenty of effects and violence. What those people fail to understand is that Hulk has never been a standard superhero comic. Attempts to make him the general-issue crusading hero have always failed. Hulk, at its heart, has more in common with a werewolf story than a superhero comic. It's a concept that opens itself up to tortured psychology, and that's what Lee went with.

After seeing it, I actually dragged people I knew to the theater with me the second time, which is something I don't do often. I considered it a "you have to see this" movie.
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post #69 of 77
7/12/06 at 1:53am
BR suffers from what I like to call the respected man is suddenly a bad guy syndrome.

Batman is a respected, hard working, guardian angel in Gotham City. He has been like that for a while now. Suddenly a shady figure that is grotesque looking and walks like a Penguin enters the picture. Within days of his arrival on the scene, not only has the penguin miraculously discredited Batman but he has managed to get the entire city against him. He has been ostracized from public safety and this leaves the Penguin alone to do his diabolical plans.

Is this the best they can come up with? I mean, aren't writers smarter than that? Can't they write a better way for the Penguin to do what he does? I really hate this movie.
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post #70 of 77
7/12/06 at 2:02am
Batman wasn't all that trusted in the first movie. He's accused of being a mob hitman and a psychopath. There are lines like "Some people think you're as dangerous as the Joker". Just because the Bat Signal flashes at the end, it doesn't mean that everybody's suddenly going to think he's aces. It sounds like you're bringing a comics interpretation into the movie's world.
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post #71 of 77
7/12/06 at 9:43am
Ah Inframan. That`s an inspired choice, at least. But making top five or ten ten on super-heroes movies is boring. Try Top 50.
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post #72 of 77
7/12/06 at 11:05pm
I'm not sure there are 50 superhero movies in total. You might have to start counting some really borderline stuff.
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post #73 of 77
7/12/06 at 11:39pm
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Originally Posted by Nexus-6
Most people I know prefer Batman and Batman Forever, and frankly I don't get it. Batman's got some great stuff in it, and it's extremely quotable("is that you sugarbumps?!")
This is one of the odd strengths of the first two films. Though I've come to think of Batman and Batman Returns as 'just okay' and 'awful', respectively, I still find myself repeating lines from both, happily, a decade and a half after the fact.

I can't tell you how many times I've tried to cheer people up by reminding them that it could be worse- that their nose could be gushing blood.
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post #74 of 77
7/13/06 at 1:51am
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Originally Posted by Nigel St. Buggering
I'm not sure there are 50 superhero movies in total. You might have to start counting some really borderline stuff.


There are fifty.
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post #75 of 77
7/13/06 at 1:54am
That would be an example of borderline stuff. We're not talking just comics movies, but superheroes specifically.
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post #76 of 77
7/13/06 at 2:54am
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Originally Posted by Nexus-6
Off-topic, but that reminded me, why the hell didn't they use Bruce Campbell for the straight to video sequels? Everyone dream-casts Campbell in everything, but this was a case where it actually made sense.
The excellent If Chins Could Kill: Confessions of a B Movie Actor tells us the studio wanted Neeson (for some reason).
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post #77 of 77
7/13/06 at 4:47am
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Originally Posted by ServantOfDagon
The excellent If Chins Could Kill: Confessions of a B Movie Actor tells us the studio wanted Neeson (for some reason).
They made two borderline awful sequels that didn't have Neeson. One starred Arnold Vosloo I believe, and the other one starred the actor who played the villain in the original(Larry Drake?). As far as I remember there was no Neeson and no Campbell in either. My memory is shitty, so I might be off.

I just felt it made perfect sense because in the last scene in Darkman, Darkman is Campbell as he walks down the street and vanishes.

That is a really entertaining book by the way, good call.
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