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Thread Starter 
So the franchise has been rebooted (for better or worse). With the B.O. numbers coming out, a sequel is not necessarily written in the stars, but there's still a chance. So with that, here is the obligatory "what's next?" thread.


I, personally felt great about the film, I watched it again yesterday and was still impressed. I liked how the character of Superman was handled: soft-spoken, humble, yet confident. Goofy and yet charming as Clark. With everything that was spoken of and hinted at in the film, there are many directions to go in. It's telegraphed pretty well that his son will grow up to be powerful like his father, and perhaps a successor. Not that this should be handled in the very next sequel, though. Perhaps in a third film, or even later.

There is something that Ma Kent says at the very beginning of the movie that makes you think. She tries to reassure Clark that "it's a big universe," implying that there may be other Kryptonians out there, despite his doubts. This to me seems like it may be a cool direction to go in. Yes, we've already essentially seen what happens when obviously evil Kryptonians come to Earth, but there's still a chance to explore that without going in the exact same direction.

What would be interesting to me is if a small group of Kryptonians arrive specifically looking for Kal-El. They need him for some reason, or they need some sort of knowledge that only his father had, hidden away in all the data he bequeathed to his son. There could be a myriad of temptations presented to him, to finally belong, perhaps even a competing love interest in a Kryptonian woman. Maybe they have a planet colonized and want Kal-El to come with them. And perhaps he actually considers it.

Of course there would need to be some sort of outer conflict there as well, maybe their leader (Jax-Ur???) has ulterior motives? Even though it was done in S II, I wouldn't mind seeing another knock-down drag-out fight between Kryptonians. An image hit me the other day after seeing SR a second time, I was thinking about the crystal technology and the "grown weapons" that were hinted at a couple of times. I had this image of a Kryptonian with a crystal sword; a huge, see-through glass blade, perhaps with a family crest etched into it (a duel, perhaps?).

In fact the mythology of the crests could be expanded upon a little, the other Kryptonians wearing theirs much like in the Krypton sequences of S I. Basically I'd like to see the history of Krypton dug into a little bit. Could be fascinating. Costumes in that regard could be great. But there are other directions, of course. Brainiac, etc. I'm not familiar with most of the other classic villains so I won't comment on those.
post #2 of 202
Thread Starter 

The Further Adventures of Superman

So the franchise has been rebooted (for better or worse). With the B.O. numbers coming out, a sequel is not necessarily written in the stars, but there's still a chance. So with that, here is the obligatory "what's next?" thread.


I, personally felt great about the film, I watched it again yesterday and was still impressed. I liked how the character of Superman was handled: soft-spoken, humble, yet confident. Goofy and yet charming as Clark. With everything that was spoken of and hinted at in the film, there are many directions to go in. It's telegraphed pretty well that his son will grow up to be powerful like his father, and perhaps a successor. Not that this should be handled in the very next sequel, though. Perhaps in a third film, or even later.

There is something that Ma Kent says at the very beginning of the movie that makes you think. She tries to reassure Clark that "it's a big universe," implying that there may be other Kryptonians out there, despite his doubts. This to me seems like it may be a cool direction to go in. Yes, we've already essentially seen what happens when obviously evil Kryptonians come to Earth, but there's still a chance to explore that without going in the exact same direction.

What would be interesting to me is if a small group of Kryptonians arrive specifically looking for Kal-El. They need him for some reason, or they need some sort of knowledge that only his father had, hidden away in all the data he bequeathed to his son. There could be a myriad of temptations presented to him, to finally belong, perhaps even a competing love interest in a Kryptonian woman. Maybe they have a planet colonized and want Kal-El to come with them. And perhaps he actually considers it.

Of course there would need to be some sort of outer conflict there as well, maybe their leader (Jax-Ur???) has ulterior motives? Even though it was done in S II, I wouldn't mind seeing another knock-down drag-out fight between Kryptonians. An image hit me the other day after seeing SR a second time, I was thinking about the crystal technology and the "grown weapons" that were hinted at a couple of times. I had this image of a Kryptonian with a crystal sword; a huge, see-through glass blade, perhaps with a family crest etched into it (a duel, perhaps?).

In fact the mythology of the crests could be expanded upon a little, the other Kryptonians wearing theirs much like in the Krypton sequences of S I. Basically I'd like to see the history of Krypton dug into a little bit. Could be fascinating. Costumes in that regard could be great. But there are other directions, of course. Brainiac, etc. I'm not familiar with most of the other classic villains so I won't comment on those.
post #3 of 202
A lot of those ideas could make for an interesting film. Myself, I'd like to see Nuclear Man done proper.
post #4 of 202
A lot of those ideas could make for an interesting film. Myself, I'd like to see Nuclear Man done proper.
post #5 of 202
I remember seeing/hearing somewhere that Singer wanted Jude Law as General Zod, either for this movie or a sequel.
post #6 of 202
I remember seeing/hearing somewhere that Singer wanted Jude Law as General Zod, either for this movie or a sequel.
post #7 of 202
I want Cary Elwes to play Bizarro Superman.
post #8 of 202
I want Cary Elwes to play Bizarro Superman.
post #9 of 202
I think that dorky big brother from Everybody Loves Raymond could fit the bill.
post #10 of 202
I think that dorky big brother from Everybody Loves Raymond could fit the bill.
post #11 of 202
Chris Burke was born for the role of Bizarro.
post #12 of 202
Chris Burke was born for the role of Bizarro.
post #13 of 202
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
I'd like to see Nuclear Man done proper.
or Richard Pryor

seriously though, the 2nd film will probably be more on the romance of Lois (esp if Singer is following the vibe of the first two films). Maybe Brainiac or Bizzaro.

If Lex shows up wanting more land, I'll shit another brick. Have him start LexCorp in repairing parts of Metropolis in various LAND deals and machinery options. Start to bridge the crisis continuities.
post #14 of 202
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Originally Posted by Moltisanti
I'd like to see Nuclear Man done proper.
or Richard Pryor

seriously though, the 2nd film will probably be more on the romance of Lois (esp if Singer is following the vibe of the first two films). Maybe Brainiac or Bizzaro.

If Lex shows up wanting more land, I'll shit another brick. Have him start LexCorp in repairing parts of Metropolis in various LAND deals and machinery options. Start to bridge the crisis continuities.
post #15 of 202
Don't forget, there's an expanding ball of Krypton with a bunch of Fortress of Solitude crystals somewhere in it floating out there in space that opens up a lot of sequel possibilities. You could easily have the crystals reform the Fortress' computer system and morph into Braniac, or even have the crystals somehow form into Doomsday if they want to go that route.

Problem is, they've already done Superman dying and coming back, which removes a lot of potential drama from any sequel unless they want to repeat themselves.
post #16 of 202
Don't forget, there's an expanding ball of Krypton with a bunch of Fortress of Solitude crystals somewhere in it floating out there in space that opens up a lot of sequel possibilities. You could easily have the crystals reform the Fortress' computer system and morph into Braniac, or even have the crystals somehow form into Doomsday if they want to go that route.

Problem is, they've already done Superman dying and coming back, which removes a lot of potential drama from any sequel unless they want to repeat themselves.
post #17 of 202
Will the fact that it didn't do as well as they really wanted it to affect the budget of any possible sequel?
post #18 of 202
Will the fact that it didn't do as well as they really wanted it to affect the budget of any possible sequel?
post #19 of 202
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll
Will the fact that it didn't do as well as they really wanted it to affect the budget of any possible sequel?
I think it might, and that might hurt the fact that just about everyone wants to see a SUPER supervilian next time. I wouldn't be surprised if they start thinking more seriously again about Superman vs. Batman...
post #20 of 202
Well lets wait till after dvd sales die down before denying a sequel.

If the 3rd film in the new batman trilogy is scrapped for superman vs batman, I'll shit bricks, build a house with them, then procede to drop the house on WB. Now someone get me some chicken...
post #21 of 202
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll
Will the fact that it didn't do as well as they really wanted it to affect the budget of any possible sequel?
Is the Pope Catholic?
I think a sequel is probable because even modest successes get sequels nowdays but look for it to be budgeted in the 75 to 100 Million range, if that high.
Good DVD sales will help get a sequel greenlighted, but will not help it get a bigger budget.
A sequel will happen, but at a mid range price tag.
post #22 of 202
all the child-haters out there can hope that Jason get's irradiated, or poisoned by kryptonite, depowering him, and potentially killing him in a sequel.

then we can have a freakin-out-fly-into-the-air-to-reverse-time superman again.
post #23 of 202
I would like to see Darkside.Do it like in TAS. Have him come to take over Earth and Superman letting loose and beating the shit out of him. To see him stop being the boy scout
post #24 of 202
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Originally Posted by joe lies
all the child-haters out there can hope that Jason get's irradiated, or poisoned by kryptonite, depowering him, and potentially killing him in a sequel.

then we can have a freakin-out-fly-into-the-air-to-reverse-time superman again.
I think this is a problem with the franchise. With the first film, they've already locked themselves into a "Superman and Son" series, unless of course they find a way to kill the son. Which would be lame unless they did it in a meaningful way.
post #25 of 202
I don't think that's as locked as you imply. After all, it's a relationship that can never really be satisfied because the role of the boy's father is already filled (by a very worthy man, by the way). The Father/Son relationship an important part of the Superman character, but it's not one that's necessarily going to dominate over themes of the entire series.
post #26 of 202
I could see the son being somewhat backgrounded in the next film, only to become more important again later. Assuming they use the same actor, they'll have to skip time between movies to handle his aging, which would be kind of cool.

And Neal, I think the point of setting up Clark being the last Kryptonian, and Martha comforting him with maybe finding more, was setting up the end of the movie. Jason is the other Kryptonian that he'd been hoping to find.

Frankly, I think the sequels are troublesome due to Superman's butt-weak rogues gallery. The movies have never tried to move beyond Lex Luthor before. Brainiac has potential, and there are enough different versions of him that a decent patchwork could be stitched together. But after that, it's pretty much a six-foot shit sandwich party sub. I don't really need to see a Mr. Mxyzptlk movie.
post #27 of 202
Does Braniac fight Superman? I just want to see him fight.
post #28 of 202
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Originally Posted by Neal
I had this image of a Kryptonian with a crystal sword; a huge, see-through glass blade, perhaps with a family crest etched into it (a duel, perhaps?).
By the way, this is my favorite sentence of the week.
post #29 of 202
I'm not a writer, so I'll spare everyone long-winded fan fiction. But I think a sequel is difficult, but certainly not impossible. As I said in the regular thread, the thing I liked best was the finality of it. The resolution, the sense of closure. Superman is not alone, he nhas a son he's proud of, but for the good of mankind, he's going to let him be raised by another man so that he can continue on as our protector. "I'm always around".

I don't want to see them just arbitrarily undue any of that. I'd like to see Lex involved in some way, but he took his shot and missed. I don't see a threat posed by him that's more deadly to Superman than what he's already tried. So I'd like to see Brainiac, maybe a redux of the Kryptonians, or possibly Metallo.
post #30 of 202
I wonder how Zod, Ursa and Non have adapted to life in prison these past five years.
post #31 of 202
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration
I wonder how Zod, Ursa and Non have adapted to life in prison these past five years.
Aren't they sitting (or rotting) at the bottom of some pit in the Fortress?

The kid does complicate things for the future, while I feel he worked, mostly, in the first film itself. I can only see 4 possiblities in sequels: 1) Ignore him, which will confuse many from the first film. He has a child and now we never really see or talk about him? 2) He gets killed off. 3) He loses his powers. 4) He eventually becomes Superman, replacing Clark.
post #32 of 202
or 5. The kid, though not important to the main plot in a "oh no they seem to have kidnapped my kid, i must save him blah" cliche...could have his own little story arc...about his developing powers and soon learning who his real father is and then coming to terms with that. Let's not forget the fact that Clark fucking Kent is the father as well. That's gotta be awkward in many ways. Maybe he'll even help out his dad when supes is bogged by kryptonite, since the kid didn't seem too affected by it. But then again, superman didn' seem too affected sometimes....yeah they kinda bent the rules with that.
post #33 of 202
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Originally Posted by Logo Lou
Aren't they sitting (or rotting) at the bottom of some pit in the Fortress?
Not if you go by the extended edition of SUPERMAN II. Zod's going to want revenge. "You will bow down before more, Jor-El! I swear it! No matter that it takes an eternity, YOU WILL BOW DOWN BEFORE ME! Both you...and then one day...YOUR HEIRS!!!"

The Kid is in trouble.
post #34 of 202
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration
Not if you go by the extended edition of SUPERMAN II. Zod's going to want revenge. "You will bow down before more, Jor-El! I swear it! No matter that it takes an eternity, YOU WILL BOW DOWN BEFORE ME! Both you...and then one day...YOUR HEIRS!!!"

The Kid is in trouble.
I fear Singer will want to remake Superman 2 next... Bring on Mongul. Bring on Bizarro (maybe have Routh do the dual role). Hell, bring on Mr. Mykysptlkjfhyer, but for God sake, leave Zod out of it. It's been done.
post #35 of 202
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration
Not if you go by the extended edition of SUPERMAN II. Zod's going to want revenge. "You will bow down before more, Jor-El! I swear it! No matter that it takes an eternity, YOU WILL BOW DOWN BEFORE ME! Both you...and then one day...YOUR HEIRS!!!"

The Kid is in trouble.
In the extended edition, Superman blows up the Fortress of Solitude with the criminals in it. I don't know whether that should be taken to mean that they're imprisoned or killed. Since they no longer have superpowers, it seems doubtful that they'd survive the demolition. At any rate, since Superman Returns shows the Fortress of Solitude decidedly not destroyed, we can pretty much assume that Singer isn't going with that version. Of course, that means Superman left them at the bottom of the Fortress while he flew off for five years. Unless they can live by eating ice, they'd probably starve to death. Ugly.
post #36 of 202
But he didn't kill them. He just refused to save them.

Where did I see THAT one before?
post #37 of 202
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Originally Posted by Nigel St. Buggering
In the extended edition, Superman blows up the Fortress of Solitude with the criminals in it. I don't know whether that should be taken to mean that they're imprisoned or killed. Since they no longer have superpowers, it seems doubtful that they'd survive the demolition.
Not exactly true. The extended edition shows Luthor and the Kryptonian villains rounded up by the Arctic Police before Supes destroys the Fortress.

http://supermancinema.co.uk/superman...ions/index.htm

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At any rate, since Superman Returns shows the Fortress of Solitude decidedly not destroyed, we can pretty much assume that Singer isn't going with that version. Of course, that means Superman left them at the bottom of the Fortress while he flew off for five years. Unless they can live by eating ice, they'd probably starve to death. Ugly.
Since Singer has shown that he'll take what he likes from the first two films and ignore what he doesn't, I could easily see him showing Zod & Co. in some high-tech Magneto-style prison. How they get their powers back is up in the air but again, I'm sure it could easily be done given Singer's reliance on SUPERMAN I and II as he calls it, "vague backstory."
post #38 of 202
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Originally Posted by Litmus Configuration
Not exactly true. The extended edition shows Luthor and the Kryptonian villains rounded up by the Arctic Police before Supes destroys the Fortress.
Wow, I'd forgotten all about that bit. This brings up the question of whether Donner will have the Fortress destroyed in his recut of Superman II, thus rendering Superman Returns problematic.
post #39 of 202
Zod and his minions... captured by arctic police? Fuck that noise, Zod would rather rot in the bowels of Jor-El's accursed fortress!
post #40 of 202
I'd like to see a string puller villain in the form of Lex Luthor or Brainiac using a muscle villain in the form of Metallo. The kryptonite heart makes him a match for Superman, so those who missed the fighting in "Superman Returns" get satisfied. Metallo's not deep enough to be the villain, but he could work well as the brawn for one of the brains villains.
post #41 of 202
We don't need to fucking see Zod again. Bring on Parasite.
post #42 of 202
I definitely believe that with the quiet opening, execs will push, if a sequel, then one with an outside space threat. I forsee the big guns, specifically Doomsday.
post #43 of 202
Christ almighty, I knew somebody was going to bring up Doomsday.

Fuck.
No.
post #44 of 202
I still vote Brainiac. But, really, this is one of those rare cases I'd be quite open and receptive to whoever's at the helming inventing villains out of thin air. I hate Superman's rogue's gallery so much......
post #45 of 202
Thread Starter 
A rather excessive way to do Metallo, but it's a start:
LL
post #46 of 202
Hell, I don't know. How about Luthor and Brainac, aware of Supes offspring, begin a Palpatine like campaign to corrupt Superman's son so that in the third film a now teenage Jason faces off against his father? Eh, been there, done that in another recent franchise, I suppose.
post #47 of 202
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Originally Posted by Amphibatron
Hell, I don't know. How about Luthor and Brainac, aware of Supes offspring, begin a Palpatine like campaign to corrupt Superman's son so that in the third film a now teenage Jason faces off against his father? Eh, been there, done that in another recent franchise, I suppose.
No.
post #48 of 202
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Originally Posted by SAIRUS
No.
Hey, I'm just throwing shit out there. I'm not, however, guaranteeing that the shit I'm throwing isn't going to smell like shit.


shit.
post #49 of 202
How about a Darkside 2 movie arc done ala Superman:TAS. Have him fight, defeat and abduct Superman then turn him against us.
post #50 of 202
I just don't think you're gonna get anything particularly "fantastical" from the "grounded" Singer. "Grounded" was a buzzword for his X-Men films, and it's been used more than once here. It's not a word that bodes well for Braniac, Bizarro, Darkseid, Metallo, or anyone wanting a more "Superman"-ish sequel. The film seemed to waver between Ang Lee-esque "artiness" and slavish (to Donner's films, anyway) fanboyism, a la "Daredevil". Add to that the X-Franchise's dull, muted, blue-grey color palette, and I'm left wondering who thought Singer was a good choice to begin with.

I liked the action sequences enough, but I walked out feeling all Phantom Menaced. The ratio of what Singer got right to what he got wrong leaves me unexcited for a sequel. You can expect Zod. Or more Luthor.
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