Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2

"Dog will hunt!"

Hilarious movie. Moseley in particular is greatness, as is Siedow.

Yeah, this is a fun one. I love that instead of trying to replicate the harsh, organic feel of the first film, Hooper just went balls out and did a wacky, gory horror comedy.

On a disturbingly pervy note, I find the chainsaw/crotch foreplay scene to be oddly arousing.

Of course that's what Hooper was going for.

I'm a strange guy.

They were going to make a SE version to come out this year. With the extra gore and Joe Bob Briggs cut scene in it

I only saw the version that had all the really nasty gore cut out.

I love this movie. Hope to hell the unrated SE does come forth, as I can only remember the R version, although I am almost damn certain at some point I viewed the uncut.

I actually prefer this one to the first- before you lynch me, I'm not saying it's a better movie, or the first one is shit, far from it. Just something about this goofy ass movie that really gets me giddy.

As far as I know, it was unrated in theaters, but the same cut was given an R on video.

Seems as though the version that used to run on cable here in the states was a cut that I think was edited with an actual chainsaw, and cable is probably the last time I saw it now that I think about it. I need to pick this one up.

I prefer to think of it as "Rob Zombie hired Fucking Chop Top for his lil movie. Twice." And I think that's how Mr. Zombie sees it, too.

Fun time in the theater back in '86. Fuck, I'm old. I'd guess a SE will come out to coincide with the remake/prequel dealie coming out this fall.

When we were in high school, a friend and I compiled a vhs tape of all our favorite moments in this film and cut them together. Somehow, that tape ended up being longer than the actual film.

Oh, and if you can't get enough of Mosely in this character, or find yourself in need of an autographed photo, or just need a little more disturbance in your life, may I direct you to http://www.choptopsbbq.com?

I love Caroline William's legs in this, and James N. Harrell as the CutRite manager is cool.

I remember sneaking into a Double Feature of TCM2 and Demons, when I was like 9.

Always had a soft spot for that movie.

One of those boys was so wild he sawed his own head off going 90 miles per hour. Hell... hell's exactly what they raised.

I've been a diehard fan of TMC2 since it came out in 1986. The film has received the redheaded stepchild treatment from critics and non-fans alike from the very beginning. Hooper himself has disowned the film, claiming he didn't know what the hell he was thinking when he made it.

Looky. Built ya a little fry house.

The original TCM has long been one of my favorite genre films, but TCM2 holds a very special place in my heart. Back in 86, the idea of mixing balls-to-the-wall horror with comedy wasn't exactly something that audiences were used to seeing at the time. The original Dawn of the Dead, and Motel Hell (I personally feel Hooper was inspired by Motel Hell in his approach for TCM2) were the only two films I would consider to be in this category before the release of TCM2.

Peel that pig and slice him thick!

I've seen the deleted scene of Joe Bob Briggs, as well as the underground parking garage scene where an entire football team gets slaughtered. There were some really graphic FX shots for the garage sequence, including a full frontal face chop via chainsaw-resulting in a partially dismembered head much like the intro, but way more violent. There was also a dismembered hand gag - a freshly amputated hand gives Bubba (Leatherface) the finger while it's wiggling around inside of a box. Evil Dead 2 virtually had the same gag involving Ash and his rebellious/demonic hand, but it wouldn't be released until 1987. I've always thought Raimi was inspired by Hooper for the hand in ED2, and since Hooper never used it in the final cut, no harm no foul.

They live on fear! They live on fear! They live on fear!

I view HO1KC as the unofficial sequel to TCM2. It's nowhere near as good, but it's very similar in tone and certainly goes for the morbid laughs. And Patrick, the inexplicable wall of guts you've mentioned, was actually where they dumped the discards. The spot on the wall that Hopper kicked open was the end of the waste chute. Because afterall, Drayton had an eye for prime meat! It's hilarious that the Daniel Boone type character depicted on the wall in that scene looks exactly like Ronald Reagan. I think it was an intentional jab at Ronnie's trickle down economics.

I've got a real good eye for prime meat. Runs in the family.

Didn't they put the cutscenes on a VHS release of the film a few years back?

Interestingly, I found this info on a TCM2 fansite. Not sure how reliable it is.

MGM intends to release a special edition DVD in the fall of 2006, just in time to celebrate the 20th anniversary of The Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2. Caroline Williams has confirmed that it is slated for release & that it will contain extra scenes, interviews, commentary, etc., and Bill Johnson has stated that it will most likely be released around or near the end of September 2006 and should, at the very least, contain interviews with the cast and crew.

Yeah, I rented it a couple of years back. It's the one with The Breakfast Club motif on the cover.

He talked pretty fondly about it on the TCM: The Shocking Truth documentary on the R2 TCM DVD, so maybe he's changed his mind.

I fully enjoy moments of it, and understand it's fun - but I have some trouble loving it completely.

I remember seeing it in the middle of the night on cable when I was about ten years old and feeling sickened. I still love those really gory parts with the face skin. The endless running around in tunnels - not so much.

Can anyone explain how TCM3 fits into the Sawyer family tree

In all fairness it's been a while since I've watched it. You know how some sequences in movies stick in your head as being different than they truly are if it's been a while...

They don't explain that, but they're related in some way, maybe cousins.

I enjoyed TCM and TCM 2, TCM 3 was kinda middle-of-the-road for me, but I couldn't bring myself to enjoy TCM: The Next Generation. The only somewhat redeeming factor was Matthew McConaughey as the crazy hick Vilmer, and that even soured halfway through (if even halfway). If you're going to watch it, do so with extreme caution, because it blows.

Also on the R2 DVD documentary, Jeff Burr makes it quite clear that the original version of TCM3 was really much darker and more graphic, and that it was subsequently cut to ribbons. I'd love to see the original version of that film, but I seem to remember Burr saying that much of the additional footage was destroyed. I could be wrong, though.

Return has absolutely no redeeming features whatseover. It makes the unforgivable sin of rendering the TCM concept boring.

I read an interesting theory here once (may have been Charlie's)-
TCM2 is a parody of the first. It's Hooper making the excessively gory movie everyone thought they saw the first time around.
"Incoming mail!"

'[B]NAM LAND! NAM LAND! NAM LAND!

after you check out chop top's BBq, buy a Corbugs cd. It's chop's band with bucket head. Moseley sings in character. priceless!!!

BTW... WHERE IS THE CHOP TOP FIGURE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've read the same regarding Hopper's thoughts on TCM2. In some ways the over-the-top gore can be interrupted as a raised middle finger to all the criticsm heaved at TCM over the years by quasi conservative groups that had never actually seen the movie.

Not to mention the fact that a sequel to TCM, no matter how well done, would suffer by comparison. Hopper has stated that he intended TCM as a straight forward horror movie whereas TCM2 was meant to be largely satirical.

Which, I believe, is why TCM2 received so much critiscm upon release. Expectations were for a sequel in the vein of the original and, when the movie subverted those expectations, many panned it outright.

Personally I think TCM2 is great - ridiculously gory but layered in a twisted sense of humor that makes it impossible to take seriously.

That's the vibe that I got from a few people's reviews when TCM2 first piqued my interest several years back. A sizable handful of reviewers mentioned that they had high hopes, and those hopes were dashed when TCM2 proved to be an entirely different breed of animal than what they had hyped themselves up for.

I'd even wager that TCM2 is more widely accepted nowadays due to the gradual rise of the popularity of the horror-comedy genre. Plus it's just a fun, disgusting movie.

I love the fact that the movie features a store that only sells chainsaws. Only in Texas I guess.

I have this film on Laser Disk and it has the cut scenes as special features. The quality was really bad, so I'll be curious to see how this all comes together. I loved the "Dr. Strangelove" joke in the tunnels (The bomb with the skeleton cowboy on it)

Do you ever get mistaken for Bill Johnson from TCM2?

Yep. I've been asked that quite a few times. I can understand since Bill Johnson is such an uncommon name.

TCM 2 is a classic if only for the scene where leatherface forces the DJ to wear her friend's face. Awful.

And blatantly ripped off in Devil's Rejects, might I add.

http://www.creature-corner.com/?type=news&id=1551

Wow. This is hitting the same day as Dark Sky's new version of the original. Course, it's right before TCM: The Beginning comes out...

About damn time. Now if there can be good DVD of The Hitcher I'll be happy. Hopefully with the remake that will be happen.