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King Kong '05 Extended Edition - Due 11/14

post #1 of 85
7/21/06 at 12:58am
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Digital Bits reports Kong: EE release on 11/14.

What PJ could possibly flesh out with a new cut is beyond me.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#kongext
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post #2 of 85
7/21/06 at 1:07am
The theatrical release was extended enough for me.
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post #3 of 85
7/21/06 at 1:20am
They actually had cut footage to put back into this?
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post #4 of 85
7/21/06 at 1:26am
We had better get "Herb, get the camera!" this time.
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post #5 of 85
7/21/06 at 1:31am
This movie was horribly disappointing to me. Adrian Brody's nose bugged the ever lovin' shit out of me.
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post #6 of 85
7/21/06 at 1:42am
Full details and cover art for people to continue griping about, from DVDActive: http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/king-kong3.html
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post #7 of 85
7/21/06 at 1:59am
I'm really excited about this release. I hope that the documentary Jackson put together for the third disc is even half as stunning as the one he assembled for the '33 Kong DVD. That remains the most comprehensive and entertaining doc I've ever seen on DVD.
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post #8 of 85
7/21/06 at 2:01am
Goddammit. I knew springing for the 2-disc edition was a bad idea.
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post #9 of 85
7/21/06 at 3:48am
Youuuu fool. Have ye not learned?
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post #10 of 85
7/21/06 at 3:51am
I might be one of the few, but I'm curious to see the EE. There was one sequence in the trailer that took place on a lake or river that looked promising. And maybe some of the character arcs will work better. The last act probably doesn't need any added scenes though.
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post #11 of 85
7/21/06 at 3:57am
It would be nice to see some payoff, and the aforementioned water scenes (I know they did a toy called Piranhadon or something). Agreed on the last act, too. I thought that was total perfection.
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post #12 of 85
7/21/06 at 4:01am
I hope they fix that damn ending, God that was depressing.
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post #13 of 85
7/21/06 at 4:09am
I never picked up the previous one, so I guess I'll go with this. As long as none of the good stuff is mucked up by the additions, I'll be happy, I can always fast forward the other parts. Plus, I like commentaries.

The cover art looks fine to me, it's got a giant ape on it.
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post #14 of 85
7/21/06 at 4:34am
If ever there was a movie that didn't need more footage, it's this one. It's extremely overweight as it is, and more fat can't help.
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post #15 of 85
7/21/06 at 6:11am
Altough I love the movie, I don´t think any extra scenes are necessary. But I still think I´ll buy this DVD (even tough I have the 2 Disc already) because those extra's look really interesting.

also, I'm surprised by the negative comments about the film in this thread, a lot of people liked it when the movie came out.
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post #16 of 85
7/21/06 at 6:17am
It's the TITANIC precedent. Over time the movie goes from people saying "it's pretty good, but not THAT good" to "hahaha OMG this film sucks!".
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post #17 of 85
7/21/06 at 6:38am
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Originally Posted by Murrow
It's the TITANIC precedent. Over time the movie goes from people saying "it's pretty good, but not THAT good" to "hahaha OMG this film sucks!".
If anything, I like it more now than I did the first time I watched it. The Jimmy/Mr. Hayes bullshit and the ludicrously overdramatic typing of SKULL ISLAND don't annoy the piss out of me now that I've watched it a few times(they still aren't "good" though). There are still a bunch of scenes and sequences that go on far too long though.

I have to agree with everyone who loves the third act though. It really is great and totally saved the film for me. Except the bullshit Jack Black line standing by KONG's carcass. Just seemed out of character, plus KONG just ruined his career by going on a rampage. He should have kicked him or something instead. That might have ruined any emotion the previous scenes had just built up, but fuck it, it would have been funny.
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post #18 of 85
7/21/06 at 6:42am
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Originally Posted by Nexus-6
Except the bullshit Jack Black line standing by KONG's carcass. Just seemed out of character, plus KONG just ruined his career by going on a rampage.
You do know where that line comes from, right?
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post #19 of 85
7/21/06 at 6:48am
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Originally Posted by Charlie Brigden
You do know where that line comes from, right?
Yes, but it still doesn't change the fact that it came off as rather cheesy in the remake, which I doubt Jackson was going for.
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post #20 of 85
7/21/06 at 6:50am
Cheesy or out of character?
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post #21 of 85
7/21/06 at 6:54am
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Originally Posted by Charlie Brigden
Cheesy or out of character?
A bit from column A and a bit from column B.

I'm not able to edit my posts tonight for some reason, but I was going to add, "Maybe if he had said the line, THEN kicked KONG..."
I don't know man, maybe it's just me. That's probably the case actually.
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post #22 of 85
7/21/06 at 7:02am
The line doesn't quite match the new, super-bastard version of Denham, I'll give you that. But it needed to be delivered, and if not him then who? Colin Hanks? Naaaah.
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post #23 of 85
7/21/06 at 7:13am
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Originally Posted by Murrow
The line doesn't quite match the new, super-bastard version of Denham, I'll give you that. But it needed to be delivered, and if not him then who? Colin Hanks? Naaaah.
Hey, I didn't say I had a good alternative or anything. Well, except the kicking.

You guys have reminded me that it's been far too long since I've seen the original. I need to pick up that DVD.
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post #24 of 85
7/21/06 at 7:16am
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Originally Posted by Murrow
It's the TITANIC precedent. Over time the movie goes from people saying "it's pretty good, but not THAT good" to "hahaha OMG this film sucks!".
Or it could just be that once the initial rush of spectacle is gone, the film suffers on repeat viewings and smaller screens. Kong is a flawed movie. First time around it's a really fun flawed movie. Second and third times, not so much.
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post #25 of 85
7/21/06 at 7:27am
I think despite the flaws (mainly the padded out stuff and the Jimmy/Hayes stuff) it works everytime. Some of the background spectacle I think is lessened - the brachiosaurs for example - but I think it rides on Kong's coattails and just works. I still think it's an amazing and beautiful work, and I'd say it's one of a few exceptions to Bob's blockbuster complaining.
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post #26 of 85
7/21/06 at 7:44am
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Originally Posted by Murrow
The line doesn't quite match the new, super-bastard version of Denham, I'll give you that. But it needed to be delivered, and if not him then who? Colin Hanks? Naaaah.
Adrien Brody. He was the playwright, after all. Sure, nobody would have heard it, but it would have come across far more believable. Three non-geek friends of mine actually suggested this before it came out of my mouth.
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post #27 of 85
7/21/06 at 7:47am
I think it fits with Denham. He's broken at the end, his dreams are dead, and it's his final realization that maybe what he did wasn't such a good idea. Added to that he came up with the whole Beauty and the Beast angle in the first place, and it's a bittersweet callback to that whole shenanigan in the theatre.
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post #28 of 85
7/21/06 at 7:48am
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Originally Posted by Dan Whitehead
Or it could just be that once the initial rush of spectacle is gone, the film suffers on repeat viewings and smaller screens. Kong is a flawed movie. First time around it's a really fun flawed movie. Second and third times, not so much.
That's true, but I would wager that many now bashing KONG haven't even watched it a second time. With movies like this-some love it, some hate it, a lot are indifferent-the bile and vitriol grow over time, til the criticisms are almost totally divorced from the things the critics felt whilst watching it. In five or six years' time, I'm sure there will be people voting KONG as one of the worst movies ever made, just like there are with TITANIC today.

That's not to say the movie is without flaws-it's overlong, mawkish at points, and crowded with superfluous characters. But there seems to be a tendency for the hatred towards it to grow in order to match the praise it gets from some quarters.
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post #29 of 85
7/21/06 at 7:57am
With the extended editions of the Rings trilogy the scenes added back in added to the film as a whole. I'm not sure adding anything to Kong will make it better.

What we need is a recut shorter version.
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post #30 of 85
7/21/06 at 7:59am
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Originally Posted by Murrow
That's true, but I would wager that many now bashing KONG haven't even watched it a second time.
So you're just making it up then.
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post #31 of 85
7/21/06 at 8:08am
No, I've had conversation with people who've seen it once, and who've gone from "yeah, it was okay I guess, but pretty long" to "man, that movie was a total waste of time and money". Maybe when people who aren't enamored with it hear others embrace it unconditionally they feel the need to reinforce their opinion with a stronger stance. I don't know.

And I don't say this as a KONG lover. The movie has some serious shortcomings. But the steady decline in support for it seems less to do with quality and more to do with outside factors. People wanting to see PJ's comeuppance, people battling the gushing KONG goons with their own anti-KONG stance, whatever. I'm saying, you sit and watch that movie objectively, and it deserves neither unbridled praise nor burning hatred, and yet those two unconditional reactions are all that it's getting in some quarters.
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post #32 of 85
7/21/06 at 8:13am
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Originally Posted by ServantOfDagon
Adrien Brody. He was the playwright, after all. Sure, nobody would have heard it, but it would have come across far more believable. Three non-geek friends of mine actually suggested this before it came out of my mouth.
Good call, would have worked.
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post #33 of 85
7/21/06 at 8:14am
I've yet to see "unbridled hatred" for the movie anywhere.
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post #34 of 85
7/21/06 at 8:17am
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Originally Posted by Dan Whitehead
I've yet to see "unbridled hatred" for the movie anywhere.
I've seen more indifference than anything. Same thing when it came out in theaters.
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post #35 of 85
7/21/06 at 8:18am
Well, maybe me taking rants from AICN, the Empire forums, and my cinematically-stunted group of friends isn't the best random sample to use.
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post #36 of 85
7/21/06 at 8:26am
It's anecdotal evidence. You can't use that assume what "many" people criticising the movie are thinking. Especially when the movie is, as you admit, hardly immune from criticism.

I enjoyed Kong in the theater, but unlike the original most of its appeal is in the spectacle and the sheer size of the thing. Each time I've watched it since, the opening drags more and the spectacle impresses me less. I've also come to feel that Jackson's take on the story fundamentally misses the point of the original, and why Kong's death is tragic.

The original Ann Darrow doesn't fall in love with Kong. She's terrified of him throughout the whole movie. But Kong loves her, and can't understand why she keeps trying to run away. And he dies - sacrifices himself - knowing that it's futile.

Jackson throws more into the pot, but chooses the wrong ingredients to add. The result is a movie that I quite like, but have no burning desire to watch again. The idea of an even longer cut does nothing to change this.
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post #37 of 85
7/21/06 at 8:35am
Oh, I'm in complete agreement with it missing the point of the original. By creating a bond-romantic, maternal, whatever-between Kong and Ann it destroys the dynamic of the tragedy. It's not supposed to be the tale of a gentle giant, doomed by an uncaring world-to me it's about unrequited love, and how it changes the beast. Kong's a violent, misunderstood simpleton, not a big cuddly toy. His life was never going to end anything other than the way it does-except in Jackson's version, where we're to believe that they could've donated Central Park to him as a big playground and suffered few problems outside of containment.

Still, I do thoroughly enjoy it. It's not half the movie that KONG '33 is, but it has its own charms.
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post #38 of 85
7/21/06 at 9:05am
That first third prior to Skull island, while there's good stuff in it, becomes more of an endurance trial every time. As long as the bulk of the extra footage is after they get to Skull Island, which is the stuff that continues to thrill me, it should be fine.

But primarily, I just want the extras.
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post #39 of 85
7/21/06 at 9:20am
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Originally Posted by g-dude
Goddammit. I knew springing for the 2-disc edition was a bad idea.
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Originally Posted by Stormin
Youuuu fool. Have ye not learned?
Slightly off topic, but please teach this young padawan the minimum required waiting time before buying a DVD these days? V For Vendetta is coming out soon...*fidgets*

Well, back on topic...I didnt like King Kong and think it was the most bloated indulgent bore-fest of the year, but I really like PJ so instead of vomiting bile over the film I just kind of shrug my shoulders at it all. Nice gift for fans though, huh?
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post #40 of 85
7/21/06 at 10:10am
I really hope we see more of Anne's old acting troupe. I often wonder what became of saucy lady and old man. They were definitely the heart of the movie.
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post #41 of 85
7/21/06 at 10:24am
Oh you miserable cunt.
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post #42 of 85
7/21/06 at 10:34am
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Originally Posted by BobClark
I really hope we see more of Anne's old acting troupe. I often wonder what became of saucy lady and old man. They were definitely the heart of the movie.
Definitely.

I'm also hoping for more between Ann and Jack. Something that'll make me not hate how fast she jumps into his arms after Kong dies.
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post #43 of 85
7/21/06 at 10:56am
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Originally Posted by cognizant
Slightly off topic, but please teach this young padawan the minimum required waiting time before buying a DVD these days? V For Vendetta is coming out soon...*fidgets*
Hmm with HD discs now, you can always know that your disc is gonna be outdated in some sort of way, plus on top of it, discs have SEs so I'm more if I like the film as is, I'll go for it.

If Kong has more scenes added to it, I'll feed Peter Jackson pig lard and make his family watch. When he was huge, he moved slower and thus took more time to think.
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post #44 of 85
7/21/06 at 11:18am
I know a guy who thinks Kong was far and away the best movie of '05, and he's actually a movie geekish kind of guy too. But what's even weirder to me than his unbridled love for Kong is how much he hated the new Pirates for being long and boring.
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post #45 of 85
7/21/06 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by Wadeisdead
Full details and cover art for people to continue griping about, from DVDActive: http://www.dvdactive.com/news/releases/king-kong3.html
Am I reading those specs right? Is it going to be an extended version plus 40 minutes of deleted scenes, or will the deleted scenes be the same stuff edited back in?
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post #46 of 85
7/21/06 at 12:24pm
I thought it was a really good, overlong spectacle in the theater.

Then I rented it and upon second viewing it became more of an endurance test to stay awake and make it through than most movies in recent memory (I suppose it was harder for me to get through Night Watch). An Extended Cut of this bloatfest is laughable - but I am interested in the previously unseen footage - I just don't want to sit through the whole thing again. hmm. Maybe Netflix.
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post #47 of 85
7/21/06 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by Dan Whitehead
I've also come to feel that Jackson's take on the story fundamentally misses the point of the original, and why Kong's death is tragic.

The original Ann Darrow doesn't fall in love with Kong. She's terrified of him throughout the whole movie. But Kong loves her, and can't understand why she keeps trying to run away. And he dies - sacrifices himself - knowing that it's futile.
I don't know how much of anything Kong knows in the original. He's a one dimensional monster who likes to kill people and stare at Ann. We understand the tragedy but its debatable that he does.

Jackson's remake is upfront on the changes to Kong's character. In fact, I think in remaking Kong, he took advantage of the one part of the film where he had the creative freedom to make the most improvements. Instead, Kong's death is tragic for different reasons. Part of it is that he's lived his whole life on that island in harsh combat and Ann is the first thing that has given him a reason to fight and live in a long time. You might not like the change but I don't think Jackson simply misses the point. He spends most of the 2nd & 3rd act actively working towards something else.
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post #48 of 85
7/21/06 at 1:21pm
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Originally Posted by cognizant
Slightly off topic, but please teach this young padawan the minimum required waiting time before buying a DVD these days?
You wait as long as you used to have to for the videotape to come out. That's the rule, and that's the sacrifice you must make in order to not get screwed.
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post #49 of 85
7/21/06 at 1:29pm
this dvd would only be worth if it they cut about an hour out of the movie. i don't care what parts, it wouldn't make a difference.
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post #50 of 85
7/21/06 at 1:32pm
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Originally Posted by Boogen
this dvd would only be worth if it they cut about an hour out of the movie. i don't care what parts, it wouldn't make a difference.

See, THIS is what I'm talking about.
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