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post #1 of 107
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After reading a lof of different threads in this forum, I have to say, I'm really interested in trying to dive into the comic book world. I just have no idea where to begin, what back issues to start with, what series' are essential reading, and all that.

Those complete sets of Fantastic Four and X-Men I saw mentioned a while back sound really cool, but I'm not sure about starting off with much an investment.

As for what I'm interested in reading, Batman has always been my favorite superhero, but I'm also interested in something more light like the Fantastic Four.

Or is it foolish to try to start reading superhero comics if I have no kind of nostalgia attached?
post #2 of 107
Good idea for a thread, I'm looking forward to the answers because I'm not a comic reader.
post #3 of 107
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I was reluctant to make the thread because I figured it'd be one that gets made all the time and people would be sick of it or something ubt I'm glad I'm not alone.
post #4 of 107
Look for some older Batman trades, such as Batman : Venom or Batman : The Long Halloween. Check out some of the Marvel Essentials books for classic Fantastic Four, or some of the Visionaries books for more contemporary stuff, like Byrne's run on the title.
post #5 of 107
I also suggest the Marvel Ultimate line. i really dig just about all of it, but the great thing about is is, they're relatively new series that don't get bogged down by major continuity issues (yet) and they're a newer/fresh take on the heroes you already know. I really dig Ultimate Spider-man, The Ultimates, and Ultimate Fantastic Four... not such a big fan of Ultimate X-men.

I'd really recommend getting away from the superheroes, too, though. Try picking up some Y:The Last Man or Ex Machina trades. You won't be sorry.
post #6 of 107
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Well the whole reason I'm interested in superheroes is because the mythology and larger than life kind of storytelling really interest me.
post #7 of 107
I've never more than dabbled, but a year ago I read The Watchmen tpb (from Chud's suggestion) and recently tore through The Dark Knight Returns and The Dark Knight Strikes again, and both were incredible. Anyone who has more than an inkling of comic book history I'm sure is yawning while reading this, cause both are OFN, but still blew me away.
I remember back in high school my best friend was a collector, and he had some great obscure books. One I remember was a Wizard of Oz book from an indie company that was a lot of fun to read, does anyone remember that, or is it still in print?
post #8 of 107
And for that reason, you should read Y: The Last Man and Ex Machina. You might want to dig into Watchmen and Sandman, too.

I'm not saying DON'T read superheroes, I'm saying that there's some great (and I think even many times, better) stuff out there than superheroes. But I have to admit, Spider-man will always be my favorite.

Since you said you were a Batman fan, try Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns. I'm not much of a Batman fan, but I really liked that.
post #9 of 107
If you like Batman, Dark Knight Returns, and Year One are must reads. I wasn't such a fan of The Long Halloween myself.
post #10 of 107
The first batman comic I ever remember reading was the Judge Dredd/Batman crossover. I've never quite looked at either character the same way since. So yeah if you're a bat fan, go for that for pure head fuckery. It even has the Scarecrow in it.
post #11 of 107
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The Dark Knight Returns and The Killing Joke are the two Batman graphic novels I have read.

I really should pick up Year One, though.
post #12 of 107
Astro City is worth reading. Just pick up the first trade and start going through them. The only thing bad about it is the wait between things. I'll also second the Ultimate lines, although if you only read one make it Ultimate Spider-man.
post #13 of 107
I know you're interested in superheroes foremost, but if you are interested in a historical perspective, take a look at Little Nemo's Adventures in Slumberland by Winsor McCay - bizarre fun stories with artwork that blows everything else, before and after, out of the water.
post #14 of 107
The only comics that I still (re)read are Rom: Spaceknight and Elfquest.

retarded, I know
post #15 of 107
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Originally Posted by Boomstick
And for that reason, you should read Y: The Last Man and Ex Machina.
There goes $25 to Amazon.
post #16 of 107
Sweet. You won't be disappointed.
post #17 of 107
Preacher, by Garth Ennis. It has its ups and downs, but generally it's great. And of course the obvious ones like Watchmen and The Dark Knight Returns, as already mentioned. My girlfriend got me the entire Sin City collection for Christmas and there's some very good stuff in there as well (although the best story has already been filmed).
post #18 of 107
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Originally Posted by Patrick Ripoll
The Dark Knight Returns and The Killing Joke are the two Batman graphic novels I have read.

I really should pick up Year One, though.
I don't know if it's still in print, but I have a hardcover book called the Complete Frank Miller Batman that is pretty snazzy. While it's far from complete, it's got both Year One and Dark Knight Returns. It also includes a throwaway single issue story(Wanted: Santa Claus- Dead of Alive), which is notable because I think it's the first time Miller worked on Batman(he penciled it).
It's worth getting, if it doesn't cost an arm and a leg now.

I say stay away from Miller's Dark Knight Strikes Again, personally. That was a big let down.
post #19 of 107
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette
Batman : Venom
Tell me that has something to do with Poison Ivy's plant venom or something instead of... that other option.
post #20 of 107
It has to do with the drug, Venom, which later became the basis for the character of Bane. It has nothing to do with symbiotes in any shape or form, but more about Batman becoming addicted to the performance enhancing drug.
post #21 of 107
WATCHMEN is beyond comics. It's literature. That's a must read.

As far as superhero comics go, yeah, THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS is a big yes.

I was always a huge fan of Miller's DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN, although that may have too many arcs that you won't get.

FABLES, Y: THE LAST MAN, and SIN CITY are also great.
post #22 of 107
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Yeah. Watchmen is my all-time favorite for sure.

I really like V For Vendetta as well.

And that about covers my comic book experience.

Oh wait, I also like the Far Side.
post #23 of 107
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette
It has to do with the drug, Venom, which later became the basis for the character of Bane. It has nothing to do with symbiotes in any shape or form, but more about Batman becoming addicted to the performance enhancing drug.
Sounds interesting, might pick up.
post #24 of 107
Read pretty much anything Vertigo. Challenging, unusual, fun. Y, Ex Machina, Fables, Human Target (a fave), etc. Also try stuff from Wildstorm. The Authority, Planetary, etc.

Both companies deal with the fantastic without worrying about all that messy continuity.
post #25 of 107
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I was always a huge fan of Miller's DAREDEVIL: BORN AGAIN, although that may have too many arcs that you won't get.
I reread BORN AGAIN every year. Frank Miller was Quentin Tarantino before Quentin Tarantino was Quentin Tarantino.
post #26 of 107
Also, Scott Pilgrim.

Seriously, you guys.

Scott Pilgrim.
post #27 of 107
I'm loving 100 Bullets right now. It might be better than Sin City.
post #28 of 107
By far, and I know someone mentioned this one earlier, my favorite comic out there right now has got to be FABLES. I enjoy the hell out of that thing.

Someone also mentioned Preacher. Is it messed up? Sure. Is it damn good? You bet your ass.

And, even though I catch a lot of crap for it, I have to give some love to the Silver Surfer. No one else can make surfing around the galaxy in a silver speedo look so cool.
post #29 of 107
I wonder -- to someone who is relatively new to comics and not as steeped in the lore that some of us are, would titles like Watchmen and Kingdom Come and Astro City and Dark Knight be as impactful without the background in the comics those stories sort of turn on their heads? Is Dark Knight as much of a revelation if you're not familiar with the previous Batman incarnations and can appreciate what a departure it is? Does the way Astro City plays with super-hero tropes have the same meaning if you're unfamiliar with those tropes to begin with? Does the deconstruction of Watchmen hit as hard if you don't have the conception to deconstruct in the first place?

I'm not sure myself, just wondering aloud.
post #30 of 107
Watchmen and Dark Knight Returns, yes. They're just good stories, particularly Watchmen. It's a very deep work, and it only requires the reader to know the CONCEPT of superheroes and vigilanteism, not any specifics.

Kingdom Come and Astro City are much more in the vein of homages to eras past, or some pseudophilosophical wankery about the state of superheroes in Kingdom Come's case.
post #31 of 107
I pretty much pick up everything DC has to offer every week, so I can definitely recommend the following titles.

All-Star Superman, Action Comics & Superman: Superman is being written properly for the first time in a long time, by different creative teams to boot. Not and easy task, and these guys are making it look easy.

Detective Comics & Batman: Again, what was said above. The One Year Later concept has paid off in spades, resetting the characters to what they were to begin with. Fun.

Superman/Batman (or is it Batman/Superman, damn logo title): 28 issues into this title, and it really hasn't failed. Ok, the last Loeb McGuinness arc was fucked, but it was still and entertaining read.

Outsiders: DC's X-Men, in my opinion. Outcasts who work outside the law.

Green Lantern: Geoff Johns has really pumped life into this title since it's relaunch, and I have yet to hear one complaint about it.

Teen Titans: When written by Geoff Johns, TT is pretty much one the strongest titles they have right now.

52: A weekly fill in the blanks between the conclusion of Infinte Crisis an the One Year Later re-launch. Works on many levels, and makes the weekly trip to the comic shop worth while. Problem is that it's set in real-time, so trying to catch up to the current week 13 may be more of a headache than its worth. BUT, they ARE fleshing out Black Adam, and that is pretty sweet.

Justice League of America: I picked up #0 which was released two weeks ago, and is intended as a set-up for the coming series, and as far as team books go, why not go with the best of the best?

I can really go on and on, but I don't wanna end up in the Trolls thread
post #32 of 107
Oh, and avoid Flash: The Fastest Man Alive.

They got it right with Wally West, then they pissed on it all over again. Christ, I'd rather it be Jay Garrick.

Edit: Oh, and ION is pretty craptacular too.
post #33 of 107
Check out the complete Frank Miller Daredevil run if you can, I believe it's in three graphic novel volumes.

The Marvel Masterworks are the ultimate resource if you're looking for classic Marvel mayhem. They don't go as far into the years as the Essentials do, but the paper quality is better and they're in color. The Visionaries TPBs are good too, but a lot of time they're just collections of various issues and don't follow one another especially well. I just wish they'd keep makng Marvel Masterworks all the way through their years up to present.
post #34 of 107
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With a list of titles, I'm off to Barnes and Noble!

Is it bad to just read it there and not pay for it? I mean, if I really dig it, like the Watchmen, I'll buy it because I want to be able to own the artwork and be able to refer to it at any time.

But to get accustomed to all these, it's ok just to read, right?
post #35 of 107
Patrick, about 3 months ago I was exactly where you are now.

You can hardly go wrong following the recommendations you see repeated here. Even if some of it isn't your cup-o-tea (The Long Halloween didn't work for me, I was surprised), ALL of the recommendations I've picked up have been quality books worth my time for one reason or another.

Meanwhile I've really gotten into Sandman, Ex Machina, and Claremont-era X-men. I'm surprised to find that I dig a lot of the classic Superman stories (All-Star Supes, here I come) and am looking forward to Preacher and Animal Man. Cheers!
post #36 of 107
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See that's why I switched to my real name. When people start posts with "Patrick,..." it's like a warm arm around the shoulder.
post #37 of 107
I go to Barnes & Noble and Boarders to just sit down and read all the time. I can afford one meal a day, never mind buying comics or books. Nobody ever cares or even seems to notice I never buy anything.
post #38 of 107
I'd also recommend League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen if you liked Watchmen and V for Vendetta. It takes a load of classic literary characters from the 19th century and builds this crazy mythology around them and the stroies they come from. It's really fun, especially if you love the larger than life aspects of comic books as you've already mentioned.

Top 10's another fun book. Basically anything from Alan Moore.

And I'll second the Scott Pilgrim recommendation too. Having read the first volume I was left with a big goofy grin on my face for the rest of the day.
post #39 of 107
y: the last man is a wonderful comic, i ended up buying all the trades in the space of a couple of weeks a while back.
scott pilgrim. scott pilgrim. scott pilgrim.

oh, and civil war has been pretty decent so far, and could work as an introduction, too.
post #40 of 107
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I forgot to mention that I DID read League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, or at least, I own the first trade.

I can't seem to find it at the moment though...
post #41 of 107
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I'd also recommend League Of Extraordinary Gentlemen if you liked Watchmen and V for Vendetta. It takes a load of classic literary characters from the 19th century and builds this crazy mythology around them and the stroies they come from. It's really fun, especially if you love the larger than life aspects of comic books as you've already mentioned.
I liked the first series much more than the second one, even though I thought the second one had a much better backdrop with the whole Mars invasion. I probably need to read it again though.

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Top 10's another fun book. Basically anything from Alan Moore.
Top 10 is fantastic, especially looking at all the background details for all the in-jokes. There's one panel set in what's basically the inter-dimensional version of Grand Central Station, and the number of references in the background is just phenomenal.

And if you want a good sampling of Moore, I highly recommend the Stories of Alan Moore trade that recently came out. It's got "The Killing Joke" and "Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow" in it, which justifies the price right there.
post #42 of 107
My now-warm Patrick,

I actually only jumped into comics about three years ago, also because of CHUD. I'll give to the blatantly obvious ones (some which have already been listed) that I immediately went out and read, which eventually got me into the nerdcircle talks at 3 a.m. with my fellow students.

The Long Halloween and Dark Victory, Spider-Man: Blue, Superman for All Seasons, The Killing Joke

Dark Knight Returns I loved, but I hated Strikes Again, mainly because I felt alienated and confused. I think you have to be a bigger comics fan to know what the hell is going on. I still don't.

Watchmen, Kingdom Come, Sin City, Batman Year One

There's also a Batman Halloween collection by Tim Sale and Denny O'Neill that I really, really enjoyed reading at Books-A-Million, but the name escapes me. I think it's Haunted Knight. Brad, is that right?

Also, this is more of a peripheral fun book - has anyone read The Batman Handbook: The Ultimate Training Manual? I recently grabbed it at BAM and absolutely loved it. It's worth picking up.

Again, this all comes from a comics newbie, but for me, it's the stuff that confirmed the Chewers knew what they were talking about.
post #43 of 107
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I liked the first series much more than the second one, even though I thought the second one had a much better backdrop with the whole Mars invasion. I probably need to read it again though.
I really loved the second series, particularly the first issue that takes place entirely on Mars and with almost no dialogue. I also think Moore brings a certain degree of pathos to characters, which I thought was lacking in the first volume. The quality of the art increases exponentially in the second volume as well, which is saying something because it was fantastic to begin with.
post #44 of 107
Shit, I forgot a big one.

SANDMAN.

Start with "Preludes and Nocturnes."

Oh man, that's good stuff.
post #45 of 107
Last Christmas I recieved a trade of Astro City, which I'd already read but wanted to own. My brother-in-law, who's French and as far as I know has almost no experience with superhero comics, found it lying around and read it, then asked me if I had more. He's now devoured the entire series, and his eyes lit up when I showed him the recent AC special with Infidel. So, yes, I can verify that Astro City succeeds with non-superhero fans. (I'm planning on giving him Watchmen next, to see his reaction.)

I'll second Morrison's run on All-Star Superman; yeah, it's got the same "homage" quality, but I'd say it can stand alone as a great series. Another good one might be Alan Moore's run on "Supreme", which is basically the pseudonymous history of Superman in 22 issues. And Tom Strong is a lot of fun as well.

If you really want to dig into the history of the comics, there are a couple of books I'd recommend: the "Origins of Marvel Comics" by Stan the Man are kinda fun if you can find them, though VERY self-aggrandizing and a little light on insight (and, some might say, facts). Still, they reprint the classic introductory issues of all the Silver Age Marvel heroes, so it's a great orientation to that world. You can find a lot of the classic storylines, like the Death of Gwen Stacy and the Dark Pheonix saga, collected in trades as well, and of course there are the "Essentials" series, though I kinda feel they lose something in black & white. DC has it's own version of these as well.

For a more broad history, "The Comic Book Heroes" by Gerard Jones and Will Jacobs is indispensible. There are a number of things that annoy me about it, but it's unquestionably THE exhaustive overview of superhero comics (with a sprinkling of other genres) from 1956-1996. You could use it as a textbook for a course in comics history. The other great overview, which provides a good contrast (focuing less on straightforward history and more on gossip and anecdotes) is Comics: Between the Panels by Steve Duin and Mike Richardson--and it's got some spectacular full-colour reprints of artwork.

Most of these might be a little costly to buy (though Between the Panels is definitely worth it for the artwork) but you can find them in a lot of libraries.
post #46 of 107
Some great recommendations. Let me add a few that I don't think I've seen mentioned (apologies if any of them are redundant):

Alias (no relation to the TV series). Brian Bendis and Michael Gaydos’ masterwork—superhero “deconstruction” told with as much heart as Astro City and as much wit as Hellblazer. Jessica Jones, one-time supeheroine trying to make it as a detective, is one of the few great female characters that either of the Big 2 comic companies have ever produced. It ran 28 issues, available in trade and in a beautiful hardcover collection.

On the subject of Mr. “Love Him or Hate Him” Bendis, his series Powers, with artist Michael Avon Oeming, is a groundbreaking attempt to bring the sensibilities of TV police shows like Homicide or The Wire to superhero comics. It occasionally seems to lose its way over the years, but the first few trades (or hardcover collection) are don’t-miss.

Oh, and since Daredevil’s been mentioned, Bendis with (mostly) artist Alex Maleev just wrapped up the best run on the title since Frank Miller’s (available in trade and hardcover), and the character seems to be headed for possibly even greater heights, currently, in the hands of writer Ed Brubaker and artist Michael Lark.

Brubaker’s also doing a very nice job with Captain America these days—people who’ve never cared for the character at all still seem to be enjoying it.

Invincible. Imagine a teen superhero story told without the need to nurture corporate merchandising. A story that can basically take its characters anywhere it wants to go, and pull surprises of a kind rarely seen from the Big 2. Imagine that it's written with wit, attention to detail, and a strong sense of family; and that it's eye-poppigly colorful, with art so elegantly simple and straightforward that anyone who's read a Sunday newspaper strip can parse it immediately. That would be Robert Kirkman and Cory Walker's Invincible. I read it in trades, so I forget exactly what issue number it's up to. Start with trade #1 and you're hooked.

The Goon. Written and drawn by Eric Powell, it’s like every great issue of EC Comics and Kurtzman-era Mad distilled into one hulking helping of bad attitude. Funniest book on the stands, and one of the most beautifully illustrated.

Bone. If you’ve ever enjoyed any kind of fantasy storytelling, you must try Bone. Imagine, say, The Lord of the Rings written by someone with the sharp wit (and gorgeous brushwork) of Walt Kelly (that would be writer-artist Jeff Smith). Though it’s currently being reissued in color format, the original issues are some of the most beautiful black and white artwork you’ll ever see. For a while, you could get the entire series in one thick, insanely-cheap volume, but even if that’s not available any more, many libraries carry the original trade collections.

Runaways. Brian K Vaughan’s reimagining of the teen superhero as real teens, in a recognizably real world. Never skimps on the action or the laughs, and he’s the master of the cliffhanger. First series ran 18 issues, second series just hit issue 18.

Supreme Power. J. Michael Straczynski’s depiction of the emergence of supeheroes in a world completely unprepared for them (a theme also worth exploring in Straczynski’s earlier Rising Stars series). Artist Gary Frank renders it as something approaching a horror comic (and it was published under Marvel’s adults-only MAX line). 18 issues, available in trades. It’s currently being continued in a non-adults-only form as Squadron Supreme; I’d say the jury’s still out on that one.

Planetary. The “secret history” of the 20th century (the oft-delayed book was supposed to be completed several years ago) turns out to be built from elements as diverse as pulp heroes, Hong Kong movies, incredible monsters, and legendary gunfighters... and the occasional superhero. Writer Warren Ellis can be an acquired taste (some people worship his Transmetropolitan, I find it overrated), but paired with the insanely talented artist John Cassaday, every issue of this series is a compelling read. The final issues should be out later this year. I would also mention that the Planetary/Batman crossover story “Night on Earth” was one of the few decent crossover stories ever written.

Ellis is also writing (with artist Ben Templesmith) a series called Fell: a hard-boiled detective story that brushes up against the supernatural. 16 stunning pages per issue, a complete story each time, for only $1.99.

Cassaday is also doing the art for Joss Whedon’s Astonishing X-Men. There’s nothing unusual enough about it to sway X-haters, but it’s an engaging read that embraces the best of the series’ convoluted past with a nice modern feel.

Garth Ennis’ Preacher has been suggested, and I agree. In addition, he’s currently wriitng the best (only?) Punisher series anyone ever needs, and I recommend all its trade collections. His other great series was Hitman, the story of a hard-drinking gunsel who can’t stand those damn spandex boys, which DC has sadly collected only sporadically. Check your quarter bins—it sometimes turns up there.

Oh, and remember the name Dan Slott: He’s a man besotted with love for comics, and writes stories that both tweak and revere Marvel comics history simultaneously, provide great characterization and engaging plots… and he’s one of the funniest guys around. His short-lived Thing series comes out in trade soon, and his ongoing She-Hulk series is in its second “season”, and may be Marvel’s best current title. Sadly, his very best book, the Spider-Man/Human Torch miniseries he did last year, has been collected in a cramped “digest” format. Try to find the original five issues—Ty Templeton’s art demands it. It’s also the best Spider-Man story AND the best FF story I’ve read in many years.

There's more, but it’s getting late…
post #47 of 107
"Superman: Secret Identity" is a great read, and the only thing I can recommend that hasn't been already. Two creators at the top of their game is never a bad thing...
post #48 of 107
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette
Look for some older Batman trades, such as Batman : Venom or Batman : The Long Halloween.
I just recently aquired two big-ass boxes full of comic books- and Batman: Venom was included in there- it was definitely one of the better Batman storylines. Been reading through Spawn, because I got issues 1-40 in that box- and man does McFarlane suck as a writer. The best ones so far are the guest comics by Gaiman and Miller.

Oh and Patrick- Preacher, Preacher, Preacher. If you want mythology and larger than life characters you really can't do much better.
post #49 of 107
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Originally Posted by Brad Millette

Kingdom Come and Astro City are much more in the vein of homages to eras past, or some pseudophilosophical wankery about the state of superheroes in Kingdom Come's case.
Yeah, these are definitely not good starting points as they riff off of superhero history. What's the name of the Daredevil trade that reprints the Miller/Mazzuchelli storyline where Kingpin discover's DD's secret identity? That's pretty awesome.
post #50 of 107
Isn't that Born Again?

Also - Preacher : Good, but not that great.
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