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Throne of Blood is perhaps the first film I can ever remember seeing. I’m sure I’d been to the cinema before, and I’m sure I’d seen other films. But getting taken to the Pictureville to see a touring print of Throne of Blood represents my first cinematic memory. And as such I’ve always had affection for the film, largely fuelled by my mother’s excitement at getting to see the film, even though I’d never really watched it after this initial viewing.

As such watching it again recently was an oddly nostalgic moment for a person who really is too young to feel nostalgic for anything.

I’m certainly not an authority on Kurosawa, I’ve seen 4 of his films, and as such I sought to watch his catalogue and did so by buying a box set of 17 films from China. The movie I used to start my sojourn into Kurosawa’s collection? Throne of Blood.

Despite irritations with the disc itself, immaculate picture but with horrible Engrish subtitles, it’s safe to say I was blown away. I’d always been a fan of Macbeth and I have to say that for me Throne of the Blood is the strongest, most striking, cinematic adaptation around.

Kurosawa, knowing that Macbeth was somewhat engrained on the public’s psyche, does very to narrate the story. You have the bare bones of the tale but a lot of detail is left up to the viewer to ascertain. The film instead focuses on Toshire Mifune’s incredible performance as Taketori Washizu (the Macbeth of the piece). Telling the story from his perspective the character is made a lot more sympathetic than any other Macbeth. Noted as an honourable warrior the film does little to display his virtues as a soldier and does more to humanise him. Mifune is simply wonderful in the role, his eyes expressing more than pages of prose ever could. He brings the physicality of his older roles (particularly the Seven Samurai) and combines it with a stoic calm.

The film itself is wonderful to look at, darkness and fog used in truly astounding ways throughout. The framing of many shots is simply stunning, and certain set pieces are wondrously iconic. None more so than the finale which looks to have been done largely with real arrows.
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Kurosawa said he once had a dream about soldiers riding horses in the fog. When he was making Throne he decided he absolutely had to use that imagery.

Which set did you get from China and what were some of the funny Engrish bits?
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The Boying one, this http://www.dvdaficionado.com/price.html?dvd=79447 . Part of 20 film set which seem to be all kinds of illegal. I'm going to get the BFI Throne of Blood, crapper picture, decent subs. The plan is to find which Kurosawa movies I want decent copies of and which I don't.

Anyways. Engrish stuff included Enemy becoming Predator. Mifune imploring his rebelling troops to not be mean. His baby dying, but getting better, but then dying. Various missed words, and bizarre Chinese names. Like Chow, Chin, Chek and Sam. And the ghost demanding Mifune build a mountain of CROPSES.
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I watched the Criterion edition thanks to Netflix, and I defy anyone to find a better performance than the one Mifune gives in this. It's highly stylized but also absolutely titanic. And Isuzu Yamada as his wife is just as good -- her version of the "out damn spot scene" is downright chilling.

I especially liked the way the film opens and closes, with the chanting chorus and the way the castle appears then disappears into the mist, like the whole thing has been some kind of fevered dream.

Add on an ending that's as good as it gets (especially when you consider those were real arrows being fired at Mifune) and it's one hell of a film.
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I thought they were real. I guess he was scrambling at the Arrows to indicate which way he was going. Yeah, Mifune is incredible in this film. He seemed to tone himself down somewhat after this, he never seemed to rekindle the energy of his early movies and instead just became a stoic and metodical powerhouse.
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This is one of 2 Kurosawa Samurai flicks that I haven't seen in its entirety(the other being Sanjuro), but I've obviously seen the classic ending shown in the picture, with Mifune being shot by arrows.

And Macbeth is my favorite Shakespeare play (along with Lear) so it's an oversight that will be corrected sooner or later.
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Originally Posted by Lee Harvey Cobblepot
And Macbeth is my favorite Shakespeare play (along with Lear)
I take it you've seen Ran then?
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I thought they were real. I guess he was scrambling at the Arrows to indicate which way he was going.
Exactly. He would flail with his arm to show the archers which way he was going, and they'd fire into the spot he left. Kurosawa wanted to capture a genuine look of fear, and having actual arrows fired at you is one way to get that.
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I bought the BFI dvd recently and although the picture quality isn't perfect, the film still looks really stunning. Every frame is shot and composed with great elegance and gives the film a good, distant atmosphere, which acts as a great counterpoint to Mifune's energetic and wild portrayal of the Macbeth character.
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I just loved how he used the fog. That first shot where the fog breaks to reveal the castle is just incredible. And the times when Lady Washizu goes through a door and is smothered in darkness and then emerges again is quite brilliant.

My favourite shot is just after the feast, when Mifune kills the assassin and rushes back against the wall, the assassin desperately reaching out to him. It is just wonderfully composed.

I also like the changes to the characters. Mifune being killed by his own people works far better than an epic battle with a man not born of a woman.
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I also loved how Kurosawa pulled off the Birnam Wood bit. There's a surreal quality to the way the trees seem to be moving which just emphasizes the dream-like tone of the whole film.
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Yeah I really liked the fog and the fact it's not revealed to be soldiers until the end. Like you said it just really enhanced the dream factor of the whole film.

I also thought the witch was quite brilliantly done, genuinely spooky and unnerving and his/her house was a great piece of set design.
post #13 of 20
I remember my only disapointment being that Mifune didn't lop off a few more heads before his demise. Thought it would have course been incorrect for the tone of the film. I was wrong is what I'm saying. Damnit.
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The Boying one, this http://www.dvdaficionado.com/price.html?dvd=79447 . Part of 20 film set which seem to be all kinds of illegal. I'm going to get the BFI Throne of Blood, crapper picture, decent subs. The plan is to find which Kurosawa movies I want decent copies of and which I don't.

Anyways. Engrish stuff included Enemy becoming Predator. Mifune imploring his rebelling troops to not be mean. His baby dying, but getting better, but then dying. Various missed words, and bizarre Chinese names. Like Chow, Chin, Chek and Sam. And the ghost demanding Mifune build a mountain of CROPSES.
Yeah, wait until you see seven samurai from this set. When in the opening credits they describe it as a time when "men are teased very badly", "the robbers will sneeze on us", or when they translate Kikuchiyo's name to "Kuk".
hilarious shit. but im still waiting on that 3-disc criterion dvd. do they have those in the U.K. or is the BFI in charge of releasing all those fine films.
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I second the love for Isuzu Yamada's performance. She plays, hands down, the creepiest Lady Macbeth ever. The traditional Japanese style of painting eyebrows roughly halfway up the forehead has never been used to more chilling effect.
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I take it you've seen Ran then?
Yes, I have the excellent 2D R2UK DVD which I think is more or less the same as the Criterion edition that came not too long ago. Fantastic film.
post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by Spike Marshall
The Boying one, this http://www.dvdaficionado.com/price.html?dvd=79447 . Part of 20 film set which seem to be all kinds of illegal. I'm going to get the BFI Throne of Blood, crapper picture, decent subs. The plan is to find which Kurosawa movies I want decent copies of and which I don't.

Anyways. Engrish stuff included Enemy becoming Predator. Mifune imploring his rebelling troops to not be mean. His baby dying, but getting better, but then dying. Various missed words, and bizarre Chinese names. Like Chow, Chin, Chek and Sam. And the ghost demanding Mifune build a mountain of CROPSES.
I think these are guys that did the DRUNKEN ANGEL transfer, which was absolutely horrible when I rented it. Their probably behind both of the crappy CHINESE ODYSSEY discs I tried to watch.
post #18 of 20
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One of my early Christmas presents was a bunch of Criterion DVDs of which I got several Kurosawa flicks. After putting up with the wretched subtitles of my first purchase for so long it was a genuine joy to be able to understand what was going on and marvel at the beautiful picture. What I realised when reading a proper translation is how lyrical the language is, it's a really wonderful script almost to the point where the proper translation was like watching a new film.
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Doesn't the Criterion disc have two different subtitle translations, though?
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Oh yeah, and they're actually quite impressively different. I prefer Linda Hoagland's translation purely because it doesn't degenerate into 16th Century English like Donald Richie's translation does.
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