Wrestling Discussion Thread (WWE, TNA, ECW, WCW, etc.) - Page 209

 

 

Get tickets, just not for the floor.  You'll have a better viewer in the lower level seats as opposed to the floor anyway, because everyone on the floor will be holding up fucking signs all night long.

I had decided not to get tickets, and then each night this week we've been watching ladder match DVDs because he got a set for Christmas.  Now he really wants to see a ladder match live.  So I'm sure I'll break down and get them.

Triple H walked Floyd Mayweather to the ring (with Justin Bieber and 50 Cent) for his fight with Cotto.  He even sold his "broken" arm by holding up Mayweather's title belt with his "unbroken" arm.

Say what you like about Triple H (and I would say almost entirely bad stuff), you have to give him 2 things:

1. He will work through any injury to the best of his ability. Quad tears, crushed trachea, etc., he will finish the fucking match.

2. He is willing to sell an angle HARD. A lot of pictures have come out with him wearing an arm brace just walking around.

Lesnar quitting better be a work.

Um, did you forget you were watching pro wrestling?

Bleh show. They better do more to build that Bryan/Punk feud.  Should have been Bryan that got the pin to make him a threat to Punk's reign. 

 

ETA: If Punk wants to be the face of the company, telling a fan to kill himself on Twitter isn't going to help his case.  He got on Twitter after RAW to apologize, but he has got to be smarter than that.  You don't do a PSA for an anti-bullying organization and then tell a kid "kill yourself".  Come on, dude.

Edited by HarleyQuinn22 - 5/7/12 at 11:27pm

I can sympathise with his response. Dude said "homos made him sick", I'd be just as irate at somebody like that,

Weak ass raw. Always fun to watch Punk mess with Johnny, but I really could care less about seeing the Human Rasp 'wrestle'. Also, Lord Hentai needs to go away. Please?

Lord Albert is slowly killing Monday nights.

 

1. Very true, I always give him credit for that.

 

2. Orthopedic devices make Stephanie hot.

So reports say that last nights Raw had at least 3 rewrites before it went on air and everything was a scramble. 

 

You don't say?

 

Last nights was underwhelming to say the least, but I do like that Paul Heyman is back and next week being in Phily, that could be explosive.

That crowd was AWFUL, btw.

There's three reasons that Lord Tensai is failing:

 

1. Crappy as hell evil foreigner gimmick just doesn't work with big, powerful guys like Albert.

 

2. The return of Brock Lesnar a week later.

 

3. WWE Creative.

 

 

Also, this completely watered down Diet Punk is just another face on the WWE roster now. No surprise there.

 

 

I keep hearing people whine about, "Why didn't the crowd explode for Paul Heyman?!"  Why the fuck were people surprised by this?  His time with Lesnar was ten years ago.  Majority of the fans in that crowd weren't even fucking alive ten years ago.  Also, this wasn't Philly, MSG, Chicago, etc.  It was fucking Greensboro, NC.  Not known for piping hot crowds.  I don't know why the hell they were there, anyway.  They usually hit Charlotte, Raleigh, and Fayetteville.  Greensboro sucks. 

 

 

Look who he was cutting the promo with.  Even the best dancer in the world will stumble with a shitty partner.  Ace is the drizzling shits on the mic, Punk has nothing to say to Ace that he hasn't already fucking said fifteen times, and coming out there to be Cena's head cheerleader felt all kinds of wrong.

It is a crappy gimmick. I was giving it a chance but he needs to just become A-Train or Albert again. But I'm just happy to see him back in the WWE so I'll take what I can get. 

 

Lesnar and A-Train actually returned on the same night. 

It's 100% a work. Lesnar is only signed on for a limited amount of appearances so this is a way to write him off TV for a while. If I had to guess he will probably be back around July to start his feud with Triple H and they can have a match at SummerSlam.

That's part of what is so confusing, why have Heyman make his return there?  They will be in Phily  next Monday, how would that not be the best place?  But then, I guess it could be argued that the Phily crowd expecting Heyman will make them even better.  Here's hoping Lesnar and Heyman are on next week, good memories.

They're in Philly next week? Oh man, I hope Heyman and Lesnar are there. 

 

Well exactly. I half expect Heyman to get predigreed as the show goes off the air.

 

Speaking of Philly, anybody else get really depressed reading the Observer report on the Extreme Reunion show last week? 

Well you can only beat a dead horse so many times before the bloated skin splits and you end up showered in Franchise.

Cena's divorcing the missus.  People close to it are saying it's gonna rival Hogan's split in terms of nastiness.  

 

BRING IT.

"Rock saw Cena making out with Eve
Grabbin' on her thigh, tuggin' on her weave
Cena was havin' the time of his life
I guess he didn't tell her that he's got a wife
Let's rock, everybody let's rock
Divorce lawyers right up the block
But we're dancing 'cause Cleveland rocks"

This was in March. Pipe bomb comes at 5:00 minutes in.

It's The Rock's 'Sunny Days' moment...

 

Of course I've also read she cheated on him so if that's the case, she'll get jack.

Nah, her lawyers are saying it's going to make the Hogan divorce look pretty. I don't think there's a story here.

Her lawyers are Linda Hogan's divorce attorneys. Cena had better hope the Five Moves of Doom work in a courtroom, or he is boned.

*Really*? I think he's pretty safe. He's got a prenup and the entire corporate machine of WWE behind. This is heading for a quiet settlement.

Well, in TNA news, it looks like they have used up all of Matt Morgan's appearances, and he could be a free agent.

 

I really hope WWE brings him in (and uses him right), he is a great talent and could be a nice fit for them. 

 

You're no fun.

So we aren't going to hear about steroid parties and Cena having an affair with Randy Orton?  Why am I watching this stuff then?

That was a shittier choke slam than taker vs hogan at judgement day 2002.

I am so goddamn glad I didn't buy a ticket for Over The Limit.

Go puck yourself. I think that says it all. And to think many people thougt the loss to The Rock was going to lead to Cena changing it up a bit, or getting hurt by Lesnar was going to alter some booking. Orton and Sheamus, is that the only full time wrestler program that seems to have steam?

Fuck Cena. God, that was horrible.

 

And here we are...after a huge loss to Rock on the biggest stage of them all ("I HAVE to win") and then Brock absolutely destroying him and making him bleed all over the place and almost breaking his arm....we have come full circle back to 2006-2011 Cena.

 

 Way to resort to doing bad Jim Carrey impressions (18 years after the fact).

 

My only hope for Over The Limits (no way in hell I'm ordering that PoS) is that in the main event, after the bell rings, Johnny pulls a gun on Cena and we get this:

 

 

 

Fade to black. Then I might actually tune into Raw on Monday.

Cena, in his defence, doesn't book this shit. Stephanie and her goons should shoulder most of the blame.

 

Hell, WWE in the late spring is usaully pretty listless.

I think Cena has a very strong say in how he is booked, and how the storylines progress.

 

I can't see Cena going "No Steph, I need to evolve my character".  It's all about pandering and selling T-Shirts.

But hey, June is around the corner and we will get the YELLOW CENA SHIRT!!!!!  YES!

There's no doubt Cena is a 100% company man, (and frankly he deserves a lot fo credit for much of what he does), but at the end of the day, the Creative team deserve our scorn and praise at what ends up on our screen week in, week out. I doubt Cena was demanding a PPV program with Johnny Ace and the Not-So-Great Muta after all....

Of course he didn't demand it, but he didn't "poo poo" it either.

 

Didn't you learn anything from First Class?  Men following orders and such.  LOL

 

I'm still shocked at the whole Cena/Lesnar thing.  Why they pushed it so fast?  It could have easily been a 2  fued.  Lesnar wins the first match, injures Cena.  Lesnar gloating that he took out their top guy, Cena wants to fight Lesnar injured.  Cena uses a bit of trickery by using Brock's ego against him, getting the 2nd PPV win.  Cena could be play up the "injury angle" and leave for a little bit to handle his "marriage" stuff, and then come back a fully recharged after a month or two.  He deserves some time off, and lord knows so does the audience.

 

Cena really is the new mid 90s Hogan.  Same old crap, yet everything revolves around him.  Hopefully this WWE Revolution thing is something interesting. 

They don't have enough dates in Brock's contract and they're scared Brock's going to bolt again.

What exaclty is his contract status?  2 live programs a month and the big 4 ppvs? 

 

IMHO this would have been worse than what they ended up doing. At least Cena came out stronger, and Brock, while he could have drawn huge as the unstoppable heel upto clashing with Taker/Rock at WM2013, will still draw well if kept strong until then. Losing at SS to Cena would have done more harm than losing at ER.

 

The reason they are so keen for Cena to be on every week, is simple. He's their top ratings draw, and one of the few who makes viewers turn the channel for. Until the WWE find/make a more over top star Cena is here to stay.

 

Something like 30 dates in a 12 months period. They've already used 5, and no doubt want to use the others over SS, RR and WM. Oh so you'd figure.  

Hey guys, I'm just getting into wrestling after about a twenty year hiatus. I know a lot of the big tentpole events and stuff from the last twenty years, but I didn't keep up with it. In fact, I never actually "kept up" with it, just watched on Monday nights when I was a kid. Now, my own son has taken an interest in wrestling, and so have I. But now I'm much more interested in the behind-the-scenes/historical aspect of the sport (particularly the WWE). So, I was wondering if anyone can point me to a book that would fit my condition - Sex, Lies, and Headlocks looks the most interesting to me out of what I've found so far. Anyone have any suggestions?

 

Horrible, but I think they let him act extra-goofy in light of the real-life fuckery surrounding him right now.  They're trying to keep him from slitting his wrists backstage.

 

Cena came out stronger?  That is the last thing his character needs.  When DC wanted to draw interest into Superman, what did they do?  They killed him off.  Audiences get apathetic when they are spoon fed the same shit over and over again.  I just read an interesting report at pwinsider, about how the ratings keep on going down.  They did a three year comparison and WWEs key demo is down 30% from 2009. 

 

Cena may be their biggest rating draw, but the character of Cena right now, and his booking are also the reason people are getting tired of the product.  I was excited after Wrestlemania, thinking they were going to do something interesting, but it quickly went right back to the same old.

 

HHH talking on Monday, put it in perspective.  He came out, and talked about his match with the Undertaker, and basically used that match as a way to mock Brock's claims that WWE isn't legitimate.  And that's the problem, HHH = WWE, and it's obvious they can't see out their own ass.  They do one thing right, and they automatically ignore the 20 things they did wrong before it. 

Bret Harts book is a really interesting look at the history of wrestling and the like. His ego tends to poke through a bit too.

 

Jerichos books are really interesting reads, tho half of the second one is him focusing on his Rock Band, which, while interesting, has nothing to do with the business.

 

I'm reading Bischoffs book right now, and its a really interesting look in regards to how he ran the business (marketing, advertising, the mechanics behind wrestling promotions), tho I'm about half way through and he just signed Hogan so I'm curious as to how the rest plays out.

 

Mick Foleys Have a Nice Day is amazing (and the standard by which all other wrestling books are measured), and I really enjoyed Countdown to Lockdown.

 

Also, I posted previously in this thread in regards to some docus to watch as well (Beyond the Mat, Wrestling with Shadows, Monday Night Wars, Rise and Fall of ECW, Rise and Fall of WCW)

 

 

Also, for a really interesting look at the regional business pre-WWF days, Stu Harts Biography is a really interesting look.

I ran into CM Punk right outside Wrigley Field tonight after the Cubs game (I'm a Sox fan, for the record).  He was about to drive off on his motorcycle by the time I got close by, but I was able to call him "the man" before he left.  He turned around and said, "Hey, are ya, buddy?"  My story pretty much ends there,  Awesome, though!

 

Awesome! Thanks, man.

So Raw is officially 3 hours according to a tweet by John Cena. Hmmm, I'm all for it but the WWE has shown that they don't seem to know how to keep you interested for a good solid 3 hours. Here's an idea for starters, stop having the same 4 people wrestle twice every week and make use of the 10 midcarders you have on RAW.

IMPACT is going live and RAW is going 3 hours every week.

 

This isn't going to end well.