Wrestling Discussion Thread (WWE, TNA, ECW, WCW, etc.) - Page 216

Hornswaggle as GM is made worth it, if only for the devastation wrought upon IWC Boards. Haven't laughed so hard in a while.

Crappy show for the most part, squashes and the like. Loving Tyson Kidd. He's my new underdog fav. I think he could do well as long as they don't just make him the new Shelton Benjamin.

Eve dropped a bomb on Punk. If this leads to him losing the belt, and regaining it with his snake promo and heel turn. be awesome. I just don't see them doing it very soon. Punks merch sales are way to high to lose now. I could only dream of a WM heel turn to close.

also, kudos to Aries for winning the belt on sun. It was a good to great show with some minor things here and there, but the crowd lost it when AA hit that spine buster and the the pin. I must say, so did I. well done TNA.

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Eve dropped a bomb on Punk. If this leads to him losing the belt, and regaining it with his snake promo and heel turn. be awesome. I just don't see them doing it very soon. Punks merch sales are way to high to lose now. I could only dream of a WM heel turn to close.

 

I'd like to think that they are building something where Punk grows resentful of his title reign being disrespected.  If Cena held the belt that long, Cole and Lawler would be beating off at the announce table, and he'd damn sure close the show every single night. 

I'd like to think that something's coming for Punk.  But then, I thought that Jericho and Stephanie were going to team up to destroy Punk at the start of the year, and that went no-fucking-where.

After watching and enjoying DESTINATION X. I'm going to be DVRing IMPACT for the first time in a long time. If DX is any indication, TNA might just be going in the right direction again. Yes, even with the AJ/Dixie thing, which I'm sure will be resolved sooner rather than later.

I love the BOUND FOR GLORY Series Tournament for the fact that it runs for about three months or so and that the overall winner gets a title shot at BFG.  It's all about the wins, losses and the World Title. Which actually means something in TNA.

I haven't been this interested in TNA for quite a few years.

I'm now 100% convinced that Punk's title reign ends Sunday.  It's MITB, the same PPV that was the site of his crowning achievement last year, so there's the symmetry of being on top last year and losing it all this year.  There's the issue of him being overshadowed by everyone, as stated by Eve on RAW.  There's the "nice guys finish last" thing when it comes to AJ.   The crowd hates Bryan, and taking the belt and AJ will only make him even more hated.  Finally, Punk's been sending out some incredibly cryptic texts referring to his big promo in ROH where he made his heel turn.  Bryan wins, and Punk gets his balls back by reverting back to his nastier anti-hero status.

I think he will lose his title, and stay a babyface, chasing Bryan with it thru to either Survivor Series or even the Rumble, then he wins and everyones all happy and cheery and BOOM cross-legged snake promo. He has the title as a heel and (god willing) Austin comes back to chase him to WM with Punk going over as a heel champion.

A man can dream can't he?

Yeah I think Bryan is winning at the PPV, or another heel cashs in MITB so Punk is chasing the tile into Summerslam. Don't see him turning heel until the road to Wrestlemania, as they don't have too many Main event faces.

Am I the only one who'd like to see Punk vs Rock at WM more than Austin-Punk?

The only guy who could be added to the Punk/Bryan feud would be Teddy Hart. Yes I know he has a bigger ego than the HBK of 97. You have the  guy that can get under the skin of CM Punk so much. Bring up the fact he was the last guy trained in the famous Hart Dungeon and how Bryan was a top student of Shawn Micheals.  Push him for who he is a spoiled brat who thinks he is intitled to everything just because of his last name

Not gonna happen in this lifetime.

Teddy seems to enjoy wrestling in the ashes of the bridges he burns. 

How awesome is TNA's Bound For Glory Series? Check out the series matches on tonight's show:

KURT ANGLE vs KEN ANDERSON

SAMOA JOE vs ROB VAN DAM

I picked a good night to watch TNA it seems.

yeah wow, looks like I know what I WON'T be watching

WWE FUCKING FIRED KHARMA!

Oh, good.  I was freaked the fuck out.

Don't breathe easy just yet.. even Meltzer is saying it's a possability:

From http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2012/0712/554268/kharma/

"Dave Meltzer addressed Satin's claim on the F4WOnline.com message forum and stated that WWE had planned to finalize her termination on Friday. However, he speculates the organization may switch course due to the news prematurely surfacing online—similarly to how they briefly reinstated Florida Championship Wrestling tapings in March to save face after news leaked prematurely that they were ending and because they weren't ready to announce the changes to NXT."

Oh boy.

Hmm. Weeeeird. If they fire her, there' got to be something that brought it on. I hope they haven't, though.
 

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Originally Posted by Headless Fett 

After watching and enjoying DESTINATION X. I'm going to be DVRing IMPACT for the first time in a long time. If DX is any indication, TNA might just be going in the right direction again. Yes, even with the AJ/Dixie thing, which I'm sure will be resolved sooner rather than later.

 

I love the BOUND FOR GLORY Series Tournament for the fact that it runs for about three months or so and that the overall winner gets a title shot at BFG.  It's all about the wins, losses and the World Title. Which actually means something in TNA.

 

I haven't been this interested in TNA for quite a few years.

Excellent PPV, Aries beating Roode for the title is my favorite TNA moment ever. Roode was a great champ but it's A Double's time!

Now I just want to see a Aries-Styles match for the title. Two best wrestlers in the world right now.

Two best in North America maybe

Daniel Bryan laughs at you.
 

Wasn't Austin Aries the first to end a Samoa Joe undefeated streak in R.O.H? It might be cool to have those two feud and bring up their past. In general, it's stupid for TNA to rely on history from other promotions to heat up their story lines, but in this case it may not be such a bad idea. Joe trying to win the title as revenge for that past humiliation makes sense.

I wouldn't put it past them to put her on the Alumn page just to get people talking about her again.

I think they should keep her there, and then have her come out to face Heath Slater.   

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Originally Posted by Andrew Merriweather 

Daniel Bryan laughs at you.
 

I'm too busy laughing at Bryan and Punk fighting over a psycho woman playing both of them whereas they could just have a straight up rivalry over the WWE title instead.

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Originally Posted by Headless Fett 

 

I'm too busy laughing at Bryan and Punk fighting over a psycho woman playing both of them whereas they could just have a straight up rivalry over the WWE title instead.

You're laughing at them for something that's outside of their control?  That's not very nice.  Meanwhile, when it comes to being the best wrestlers in the country right now, they still both laugh at you.

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I'm too busy laughing at Bryan and Punk fighting over a psycho woman playing both of them whereas they could just have a straight up rivalry over the WWE title instead.

Even the best in the world are confounded by pussy.  Way of the world, baby.

While no official announcement has been made, WWE officially moved Kharma to the alumni section of their site now.  Doesn't bode well.  

http://www.wrestlinginc.com/wi/news/2012/0713/554289/kharma/

Really wanted to see her triumph after what happened with that baby.  Perhaps it's for the best.  Going out on the road after that sort of trauma might not be in her best interest.  Wish her well.

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You're laughing at them for something that's outside of their control?  That's not very nice.  Meanwhile, when it comes to being the best wrestlers in the country right now, they still both laugh at you.

I've seen them at their absolute best...just not in the WWE.

Well, there goes my hopes of a heart broken Punk finding comfort in the arms of Kharma. 

Heh, maybe AJ's next obsession can be Kharma. THAT would be interesting.

They've said for sometime, that's she ready to come back but WWE doesn't know what to do with her, which I find strange.  They had a perfect chance to bring her back the night the Bella's left.  Come in, squash them, make them leave in an ambulance.   WWE hasn't issues a statement regarding her being released, so maybe her profile move is just for the time being considering she isn't technically on the active roster right now. 

I hope it's to just drum up some interest, I mean they just hired Buggy and Sara Del Rey, why give up another great female wrestler? Doesn't make much sense to me.

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Originally Posted by Monster Pete 
WWE hasn't issues a statement regarding her being released, so maybe her profile move is just for the time being considering she isn't technically on the active roster right now. 

You don't go to alumni unless you're gone.  They don't put injured/hiatus people in the alumni section, which is why everyone flipped out when they saw that Kharma was there.

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You don't go to alumni unless you're gone.  They don't put injured/hiatus people in the alumni section, which is why everyone flipped out when they saw that Kharma was there.

Doesn't mean your gone gone.  What about Stephanie McMahon, Brock Lesnar, The Rock, John Laurenatius, Mick Foley, Paul Heyman, Road Dogg... they are all on the Alumni page and are still on the "WWE Payroll".  I wouldn't put it past WWE as a way of getting people to talk about Kharma again.  There's been no official announcement and there have been plenty of times where the website has been used to push storylines.  Wasn't that long ago that Cena was put on the Alumni page when he did that that angle with Wade Barrett. 

Chances are, you are right and she is gone.  But, I'm hoping she isn't, unless she asked for her release (which doesn't seem to be the case if you read her twitter).  I just feel like this might be another prime example of WWE failing to captialize on someone who could make a positive influence in their product. 

The main event (Bryan VS Punk) is now no dq. Please don't fuck it up by having people interfere, the only interference I need is AJ when she screws Punk over. Apparently, they're starting the night off with the World Heavyweight Money in the bank match which is perfect. We all know it'll easily be the better of the two by a landslide.

Well fuck my ass and call me a bitch, Punk retained.  Was sure he'd lose tonight.  AJ's flashes of sadism were fun, but Bryan/Punk not being the main event is fucking LAUGHABLE to me.   Punk's reaction to AJ post-match was very telling.  99 problems but a ref ain't one.

Ziggler winning is without a doubt the highlight of the night (besides that awesome sunset flip by Kidd who looked mighty impressive) but I kinda don't want him to cash it on cheaply on Sheamus, it makes him look really weak that he's failed to beat him numerous times one on one and can only win by cashing it via a distraction or a run-in. Be smart about his reign, build him up for the next couple of months, make him look like a legit threat to the main event. THEN have him cash it in.

Punk and Bryan were great as usual, those kicks to the chest were brutal. I'm a hardcore Danielson fan to the bone so I always feel like he should win but I really thought he was gonna take the belt tonight. I like this AJ thing but this has to be over by Summerslam, she should be in a clear corner by then, and if you want to continue it fine, but continue it based off the merits of something else than this girl's love and affection. Wait! Here's an idea, how bout just being the WWE Champion?

I hate Cena winning but we all knew it was gonna happen so there's not really much to say there. Would of been awesome to see The Miz win it and retain some credibility. Finally, can I saw how peeved I am that this was the main event. In the history of Money of the Bank, not one actual Money in the Bank match has main evented. Not surprisingly, Cena has been in the main event for the previous two (vs Sheamus and then Punk) and now magically the Wwe championship mitb match just happens to be main event. This is just getting ridiculous. We got it.

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Ziggler winning is without a doubt the highlight of the night (besides that awesome sunset flip by Kidd who looked mighty impressive) but I kinda don't want him to cash it on cheaply on Sheamus, it makes him look really weak that he's failed to beat him numerous times one on one and can only win by cashing it via a distraction or a run-in. Be smart about his reign, build him up for the next couple of months, make him look like a legit threat to the main event. THEN have him cash it in.

 

Punk and Bryan were great as usual, those kicks to the chest were brutal. I'm a hardcore Danielson fan to the bone so I always feel like he should win but I really thought he was gonna take the belt tonight. I like this AJ thing but this has to be over by Summerslam, she should be in a clear corner by then, and if you want to continue it fine, but continue it based off the merits of something else than this girl's love and affection. Wait! Here's an idea, how bout just being the WWE Champion?

 

I hate Cena winning but we all knew it was gonna happen so there's not really much to say there. Would of been awesome to see The Miz win it and retain some credibility. Finally, can I saw how peeved I am that this was the main event. In the history of Money of the Bank, not one actual Money in the Bank match has main evented. Not surprisingly, Cena has been in the main event for the previous two (vs Sheamus and then Punk) and now magically the Wwe championship mitb match just happens to be main event. This is just getting ridiculous. We got it.

Ziggler's cash-in will be his face turn.  He won't cash in until Sheamus loses to Del Rio, probably at Summerslam, and then ditch Vickie. 

Punk yanking the belt from her hands and ignoring her was a clear signal to me that he is sick of her shit.  Be interesting to see how Bryan treats her on RAW.  Will we get a Vegas wedding?

Would it not have made sense to have Cena win MITB, then have Punk/Bryan go last, and then as Punk is celebrating, have Cena's music hit?  He doesn't cash in, but he stands at the entrance, holding the briefcase and smirking at Punk, as if to say, "Your ass is mine".  That way, you set up that Punk might be on borrowed time while getting your precious Cena closing shot.  The threat of Punk potentially getting cashed in on was non-existent because the MITB RAW match hadn't happened yet.  Just stupid stupid booking there.

Agreed about the match order - utter bullshit - but a pretty great show.

I'm beginning to suspect the Kharma release may be a mutual thing. She doesn't seem that broken up about it, she's said she's not taking bookings, and she's had a fucking awful year of stuff happen to her. If it's not a work - and I'm pretty sure it isn't - I think she might be walking away for a while.

Glad to see Cena win.  I read his win/loss stats this year, and counting his MITB win, he has ONLY won 101 matches out of 109 this year. 

Here's hoping Cena is the first MITB champ to lose when he cashes it in. 

I'm sure there's a large contingent of people who are thrilled right now that CM Punk has dropped out of the AJ story.  I'm not one of those people.  Pretty bummed out right now. 

ETA: If they want him out of the story, so be it.  But doing it this way with ZERO closure on Punk's end really pisses me off.  I was into that story, and they dicked me over.  Not so much as a "gee, wonder what punk thinks of that proposal earlier tonight" from the commentators? Come the fuck ON.

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Originally Posted by HarleyQuinn22 

I'm sure there's a large contingent of people who are thrilled right now that CM Punk has dropped out of the AJ story.  I'm not one of those people.  Pretty bummed out right now. 

 

ETA: If they want him out of the story, so be it.  But doing it this way with ZERO closure on Punk's end really pisses me off.  I was into that story, and they dicked me over.  Not so much as a "gee, wonder what punk thinks of that proposal earlier tonight" from the commentators? Come the fuck ON.

You're assuming Punk won't interrupt the wedding in a fine old fashioned wrestling tradition.

So help me, if Cena leaves next week with the title, he better damn well have turned heel in the process.  I cannot stomach the thought of another face Cena title run.

Does Dolph HAVE to go after Sheamus' title, or is he free to go after either belt?  I'd much, much rather see him feuding with Punk.

 No, the briefcase is brand specfic, I believe.

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You're assuming Punk won't interrupt the wedding in a fine old fashioned wrestling tradition.

I sure am.  We'll see.

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So help me, if Cena leaves next week with the title, he better damn well have turned heel in the process.  I cannot stomach the thought of another face Cena title run.

 

I think Cena is going to lose.

I think Cena is going to lose too, it's been stressed over and over that he doesn't need the briefcase to win. Also, at least it'll allow someone to lose their briefcase cash-in without it actually hurting the wrestler in the long run, Cena can do no wrong, Cena will never be looked down on as anything other than main event quality. Someone's got to lose it eventually, and if Dolph loses, I riot.

And yet again, another heel commenting that Punk isn't the cream of the crop, this has got to be going somewhere. Please no heel turn, not yet. Give me a pipebomb, speak your mind buddy. I also agree with A-Pathetic that Punk could possibly have something to say about that wedding. Has any wedding ever been successful from beginning to end? All I know is I want Bryan and AJ together. Yes. Yes. Yes.

Cena has been advertised for an upcoming Raw here in Milwaukee with him going up against Show and Johnny Ace.  Something tells me they are going to interfere on Monday and cost Cena. 

I can't sit through any of RAW anymore. I usually just watch some highlights on youtube and only watch to see what wrestler returns. I'm tired of this AJ/Bryan/Punk storyline. I don't know why everyone is saying how great it is. CM Punk, last year at this time, was making history and dropping "pipe bombs" and supposed to be against this type of storyline. Now here he is in some lame soap opera style love triangle. I mean I really just don't give a crap who AJ goes with. Yeah, she's incredibly hot. But I'll go watch some teenage drama on the CW or ABC Family if I want to see that type of storyline. 

I hope it gets better next week with Lesnar and The Rock returning. 

I really don't know how they expect people to stay interested in 3 hour RAW's when they have trouble filling up two hours with quality entertainment. I can see this turning out really bad and they'll be back to two hours soon.