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post #16101 of 16167
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Originally Posted by Martianman View Post
 

It is unbelievable. I yelled out loud a bunch of times at the spots. Holy cow it's great.

 Yep. They literally could have died in that match. I don't think we'll get that kind of match again without one of them literally dying in the ring tbh.

post #16102 of 16167

Everyone swooning over Kenny Omega while I'm sitting here watching Rey Hechicero vs. Negro Casas via skuzzy 380p resolution on my computer monitor for the 257th time and still having the time of my life really makes me want to reevaluate my life choices. I know I’m out of step with the times but geesh....

 

But then again I was always a bit of a contrarian when it came to Puro simply because I got more thrill out of a Mr. Gannosake match than anything from the vaunted Four Pillars. Although to be perfectly honest I’d take a 60 min Minami Toyota sprint over all of them combined...that girl was feckin’ nuts! I know it’s cool to mock her & that particular style now in certain smark circles but that woman makes people like Ricochet and Dolph Ziggler look like they’re on Valium even on their best night.

post #16103 of 16167

Hey man, you like what you like. I like lucha too, just have to be in the right mood for it.  Puro isn't my first choice either, British is. But man... you really, really, really owe it to yourself to watch Omega vs Okada as a wrestling fan in general. It sets a bar that maybe 10-15 guys alive today could match on their best nights. 

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Oh, I'll track it down eventually unlike the rest of my curmudgeon territorial days brethren I really do like wrestling in all forms and not just the wrestlers I like. I just have a hard time internalizing today’s go-go super Indy sprint style with what I grew up with and loved the most about this crazy little industry.

 

I want to like the new shit I and that’s the important part here I think, just have to work things out between my veteran eyes and enthusiasts heart is all. I really shouldn’t complain because the wealth of footage available today is like a dream to me, I just wish there was a more centralized industry effort other the Hartford monopoly as a means of commercial egress if not distribution.

 

Post script - This is also where I bemoan the lack of Lucha knowledge if not available footage because if more people were aware of hidden legends like Negro Casas or even Sangre Chicana it would seriously cause a reevaluation of everyone’s top ten if not the moveset of half the workers plying their trade today. But I’m not looking to start that kind of pissing match here, I just wish for more people to talk to about one of my greatest passions is all.


Edited by Cheepnis - 1/6/17 at 9:25pm
post #16105 of 16167

The legendary KENTA KOBASHI liked one of my tweets today.

 

 

Yes I marked out like crazy.

post #16106 of 16167
Super Kawaii Puroresu!

Someone was nice enough to upload the entire 5+ hour broadcast.

KENNYDAAAAAAAAAAAH!

TETSUOKADAAAAAAAAH!
post #16107 of 16167

Meltzer lulz hyperbole aside that Okada/Omega match was pretty decent...not so certain about calling it the greatest thing since sliced bread. Even with the prism of viewing it apart from the general consensus I don't think I'd rank it above some of the clipped footage from random Mexican indys I've been currently perusing.

 

But then I am of an insular mind on the subject so my opinion is circumspect. I’m also not up to date on the current scene in Japan so allot of this match took place in a vacuum divorced from the aura most have touted it possessed. Usually the only time I get to see Omega in a match is when I watch the odd PWG show, still despise the Bucks...but then again that’s their gimmick I suppose.

 

Not looking to ruffle feathers but what I saw was a technically competent, narratively extraneous match slightly marred by overachieving posterity. Maybe it’s just they way the kids work these days or maybe it’s just projecting on my part but I found the methodical opening to the match to be far more interesting than the spot monkey cruft of the latter cumulative sprint.

 

Despite it's high flying cliché Lucha is a more mat based artform than people are aware of so that portion of the match greatly spoke to my south of the border idolizing half. Kenny was his ever mugging self - Okada on the other hand almost seemed nonplussed. Maybe it’s because I’m not overtly familiar with him but it was like he was trying to smirk his way through this match at times.

 

I just wished they spent more time feeling each other out, grounding the psychology of their counterpoints before flipping the MOVEZ! switch so early on. As it stands if the match was shorn 10 minutes of “fat“, I'd be much more enthusiastic about it. And again this is just me, not trying to put anyone in the wrong for enjoying something more than myself. It’s just that these were the things going through my mind as I watched this.

 

Also this is a really random thing to ask at this juncture but whatever became of BxB Hulk, Cima and the rest of the Dragons Gate Crew? I still have those first US PPV's on tape in my basement stash and god help me I miss 'em - they still around in some capacity or are they retired?

post #16108 of 16167

Odd arguments against puro coming from a lucha fan, frankly. The biggest criticism people level at lucha is its' completely unrealistic and choreographed nature. It's as much dance as it is combat simulation. There's nothing wrong with that, not at all... but it does make it more difficult for many to suspend their disbelief. That's one of the reasons I love Strong Style as presented in Japan and the UK: It's a LOT easier to pretend it's "real".  There are reasons behind moves beyond "this looks really cool on camera", and when they connect the workers make sure the whole crowd can HEAR it. It's a visceral experience!

 

I can get more invested in a character who is showing heart, will and determination (fighting spirit) than I can watching dudes perform multiple 450 splashes, senton bombs and topes... though watching the latter is definitely a lot of fun, too. If it wasn't, I wouldn't be here verbally fellating guys like Will Ospreay and Ricochet on a regular basis. :)

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From a raging luchaholic fan such as myself I know it seems hypocritical of me to point these things out but it’s times like these I’d truly wish people like Jun Akiyama or Akira Taue were bigger influences on their nation’s contribution to the business than anything Inoki & Strong Style.

 

Also not to harp on the matter but this is one of those instances where I truly wish lucha was more disseminated because the stylistic differences between a technico and rudo is a lot more nuanced than your typical good/bad/I’m the best jargon most fans are accustomed to.

 

If most of wrestling is about good and evil Lucha is more about a different codes of ethics—a subtle, but important distinction here. Another obvious aspect of it’s psychology that gets overlooked is showmanship. In mainstream thinking a guy will add twists & flips to his dive because it's supposed to hurt more; in Mexico dives and the such aren’t there to hurt your opponent as opposed to emasculate him and drive your fans into frothing excitement at your superior abilities.

 

Sure it’s a machismo thing but there is so much more to it that is deeply ingrained in Mexican culture that it’s literally takes a master class to fully explain it all. Something this board nor my wilted ego will abide by...god there’s so much stuff I want to yell at you right now...but in a good way you know?

 

Look I’m not really looking for a podium any more than I am a opponent here Anjin so I hope you don’t take this the wrong way or if I worded things too aggressively but this is what I meant about being an island unto myself with my tastes and when trying to discuss things with new acquaintances. Anyway it’s late here and I need to sleep some before my shift, nite all...

post #16110 of 16167
No please, you guys go ahead and have an elongated debate about Puro vs Lucha. I want to read it. I might learn some things.

LUCHA LIBRE! ODALÉ!

vs

PURORESU! SUGOI!

The heroes have both been chosen, the fight begins now, Round 1, BATTLE ON!
post #16111 of 16167

No offense taken, but if you're looking for a champion for the cause of puro... well, I'll tap out. It's not really a debate on which style is better, rather which style scratches your wrestling itch (so to speak).  If you want pure, fun, comic book-style storylines: Chikara.  If you want hard hitting spotmonkey, near fall laden workfests: PWG.  You want a more adult lucha-infused action soap opera: Lucha Underground.  If you want the mainstream, safe stuff: WWE.  If you want retarded stuff: TNA.  Etc... etc... 

 

I grew up loving the smaller guys who could fly, flip and wow.  I loved Owen Hart before I knew who Owen Hart was, as I was captivated by the moves he did as the Blue Blazer.  I cheered The Rockers when they went up against all the meathead big guy teams. As a kid I only had access to WWF, occasionally Global on ESPN where I got to see Lightning Kid for the first time and I loved his work and, to this day, hate that the wrestling community at large hates Sean Waltman. 

What I'm getting at is: I'm NOT a guy who is going to shit on high flying styles like lucha.  I fucking LOVE the beauty of movement those guys are capable of.  

 

It's just that in my current state of mind, a jaded 40 year old with real world problems, that I'm more easily invested in strong style and just stuff that has some psychology behind the moves. Where the moves MATTER.  

I love me some Young Bucks and PWG in general, but guys getting hit with 45 moves that would be finishers anywhere else and keep kicking out, only to get scooped up in a schoolboy?  I'd rather see some talented guys convince me that they're beating the holy fuck out of each other, so much that when one of them drops to his knees and takes a simple kick to the head, it's completely believable when he gets pinned. And he looks none the weaker for it.  Anyone should be out of it for more than 3 seconds after being kicked in the head.  It just makes it that much easier to get into each lock, each pin attempt, each loud and impactful strike.  

On the other hand, I love watching guys like Sabre bending like a pretzel and smoothly transitioning from hold to hold.  

There's something for everyone with wrestling. Hell, you can even watch guys dressed up in crazy outfits and stomping around mini city sets like a kaiju film at places like Kaiju Big Battel, or get a taste of the 20's-30's style with the tongue-in-cheek annual Olde Wrestling shows.  

Like comic books, wrestling is a far more versatile medium than most give it credit for.  I love that lucha exsists and it's an important part of wrestling history overall. So is puro. So is the US, Canada and the UK/Northern Europe. 

post #16112 of 16167
Erm...

And ANJIN forfeits the the first round! 1 point to Cheepnis, El Campioné de la Lucha!

The fighters have rested, here they come from their corners for round 2. F F F FIGHT!
post #16113 of 16167

I love puro and I love lucha. Dragon Gate is a great mix of the two and is one of the most consistently entertaining wrestling promotions in Japan.

 

Carry on gents. Remember, no foreign objects or outside interference!

post #16114 of 16167

I'm happy that there's people watching stuff outside of WWE.  It's not fun for me to jump in on discussions on RAW as of late as it's just not engaging me much beyond a few characters who are doing the best with the material given. I'm not up on lucha much these days so I don't have a lot to say about it specifically, but it's something different.  

 

I'm on a bit of a CHIKARA kick right now, which certainly isn't serious business like puro/strong style... but the action is fun and when a storyline calls for an intense match, that's what they give you.  Not pimping it, but I will say that if you haven't seen CHIKARA sin ce the mid aughts, they've upped their production values significantly and usually have fun, involved crowds. I consider it a hybrid of 80's WWE cheese, comic books, comedy and lucha libre peppered in with some indy/puro spices. 

 

WWE can be fun and they have some of the best talent in the world working for them. I just feel they lose a lot of steam when handed scripts and made to adapt to the "WWE style". With WWE opening things up a bit with things like NXT, the UK division and even the 205 Live (which is booked poorly), there's at least some variety being presented to the average fan who's bumming around on the WWE Network. 
 

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Oh, forgot to mention: Chris Hero back in NXT as Cassius Ohno. Hate the name, LOVE the worker. NXT needs some fresh blood to revitalize, that's a good start. 

 

He deserves to be on the main roster and treated like KO was when he was called up, but he'll be more fun to watch in NXT. I guess he's doing a couple of EVOLVE shows too, so it'd be cool if they allow him to keep doing those from time to time.  I would imagine he'll have to tone down his stiff-as-fuck shit kicker persona a bit under the WWE flag. 

 

 

On a side note, Chris Hero vs Rusev is a match I desperately want to see

post #16116 of 16167

I thought it was Kassius Ohno now.  He had "KO!" on his kneepads.  If he ever graduates to RAW, I can see them feuding KO with KO, because the Raw writers are so creative these days.

post #16117 of 16167

I probably mispelled it. It's a dumb name anyway. Better off as Chris Hero

post #16118 of 16167

If I simply must play the role of puro advocate, I present you exhibit A - Z 

 

post #16119 of 16167

Hell, while I'm at it, Naito vs Tanahashi was killer too.

 

post #16120 of 16167

Meh, might as well go whole hog, and with the Engrish commentary to boot;

 

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Just randomly tripped over a full set of Hoodslam shows. Dare I even attempt to watch them?

post #16122 of 16167
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Originally Posted by Cheepnis View Post

Meltzer lulz hyperbole aside that Okada/Omega match was pretty decent...not so certain about calling it the greatest thing since sliced bread. Even with the prism of viewing it apart from the general consensus I don't think I'd rank it above some of the clipped footage from random Mexican indys I've been currently perusing.

I have it at 5 stars yes, but I don't consider that some kind of rare feat.

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Originally Posted by Anjin View Post

I'm happy that there's people watching stuff outside of WWE.  It's not fun for me to jump in on discussions on RAW as of late as it's just not engaging me much beyond a few characters who are doing the best with the material given. I'm not up on lucha much these days so I don't have a lot to say about it specifically, but it's something different.  

You're a fucking saint for those youtube videos. I'm fairly well done with WWE. I'd been keeping up with the PPVs as an excuse for my best friend to come over for a couple of beers. But since he's become a father last November obviously that's on ice for a while.
post #16123 of 16167

If I can catch a decent webstream from work and I'm not actually busy with - you know...work - I'll catch some bits of RAW and Smackdown. Otherwise I just read about  the shows and catch up with the interesting bits. It's just so paint-by-numbers. I drive myself nuts thinking about what a great booker like Paul Heyman could do with the kind of roster WWE has. You've got KO, Nakamura, Balor, Joe, Lesnar, AJ, Rollins, Cesaro, American Alpha, The Revival, Neville, half the cruisers and I'll even grudgingly add Cena to that list. The guy can work when he's got good opponents and gives a shit. 

 

I'm probably going to look into CMLL in the near future, as my lucha experience is mostly limited to LU and AAA. 

 

RevPro out of the UK has a working arrangement with NJPW and bring in guys like Okada and Tanahashi a few times a year to work against some of the best UK guys. If you love electric crowds, those shows are off the hook if you have the means to check them out. 

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While I love LU, its not exactly the best representation of Lucha Libre. Its like a Taco Bell restaurant that hires some of the best cooks from Mexico, but then tells them to whip up their best stuff in half the time they usually do, because fast food nerds to be fast. I really wish LU was 2 hours, or at least 90 minutes. I want longer and more matches to go along with the nifty novela sequences.

Though at least its never been as bad as some old eps of ECW on TNN. "Your main event for the evening!", as the first and only match of the hour begins after 15 or more minutes of promos and PPV hype. 1 match is not a main event, unless its something like Aztec Warfare.
post #16125 of 16167

What have I unleashed?  God help Lucha if you all think I should be it's champion.  If anyone cares before we get any further down the rabbit hole I feel should further explain my tastes. You see my three favorite types of wrestling in this world are what I consider classic or "Southern" style as it's now called, Lucha Libre and Joshi. I grew up watching NWA/JCP/WCW on broadcast TV back in the day so that pretty much explains the first outright.

 

I fell in love with the second pretty much the same way through those old Santo/Samson movies they used to run during the late, late show and later on through WCW’s cruiserweight division and the tape trading scene of the 90’s.

 

And lastly I fell head over heels for the last because unlike it’s po-faced Puroresu brethren the combatants in Joshi weren’t afraid to show emotion, appear vulnerable or act like human beings instead of the grim faced titans of battle that strong style demands.

 

Pretty much all of my opinions on the matter are based off these contrasting viewpoints and of course my many, many years of watching this wild & wooly profession and encountering fans from all walks of life. For over 30 years, I’ve seen the highs and I’ve survived the lows and my love for this pastime is resolute.

 

Truth be told I only really started keeping abreast of the modern scene after The Rhodes/Shield match from Battleground in 2013, which no joke, I seriously consider one of the best of the new Millennium. Dustin’s renaissance has been phenomenal to witness and those early team-up’s with Cody were classically versed in a way this industry hasn’t indulged since the territory days. It also doesn’t hurt that for all intents and purposes The Shield were a Americanized version of your classic trio’s team from Lucha, which only served to double my enjoyment of their three vs. all antics.

 

Could I’ve been fairer to the Omega/Okuda match...probably, but it’d just be insincerity on my part. I’d like to think a dissenting opinion every once and a while actually helps discourses from getting too homogenized, not that I’m positing myself as some kind of iconoclast on the matter. I’ve seen way too many message boards turn to ash that way and I sincerely don’t want that to happen here. It’s just the way I truly felt on the subject and hope it didn’t come off as too provocative or rabble rousing for anyone.

 

If you guys really want some matches to pimp give me time on how to post youtube links, geesh I'm so sorry...

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FYI, Anjin if your really serious about dipping your toe into the sacred waters of Lucha please don't just cherry pick the best matches people might name off.  Lucha works best when you approach it on your own terms and have time to properly digest the narrative.  Like I said it's really a heitage thing with the genre and a lot of details get lost when trying to look at the 5 star big picture.

 

Also if your youtube bound you can do worse then checking out thecubsfan channel, that man is a godsend.  His blog is great too and has links to his best of the year of the stuff he uploads.  He's far more qualified to be Lucha's champion than a peon like me.  And for the love of god do not watch a maestros match your first time out! The last thing anyone needs as a introduction to lucha is two 70 year olds chain wrestling and exchanging rest holds for an hour and a half in front of three people in a half empty arena.

 

 

Since I keep harping about this match consider it a test, can you guys see this? Imagine if Eddie were still alive, 60 years old and the best in the world, that Negro.  Rey on the other hand has been making big waves and carries himself like the Legion of Doom version of Hijo Del Santo, that and he's called the freakin' Sorceror King!  What more could you want?

 

 


Edited by Cheepnis - 1/7/17 at 9:00pm
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My time and my mental headspace for wrestling isn't what it once was, and even when I had more time there's more wrestling available to me than I could watch in 5 lifetimes. (seriously, three external drives full of material, not accounting for streaming stuff).  About all I can really afford to do these days is cherry pick shows and matches, and watch whichever brand/style fits my mood best when the time is open to me. With all due respect, I have no intention of delving deep, deep into lucha (or any style, really) at the moment. 

I do like to check in on the pulse of wrestling overall though, so yeah... I think Triplemania or something like that is coming up. Might check that out.  I'm still 1.5 seasons behind on LU. I'll get to it when I get to it. 

 

Dissent on Okada/Omega, that's cool. If you were calling it a shitter of a match, I'd be the first to step up. I don't think it was as good as Steamboat/Flair, or Punk/Joe, or Ricochet/Ospreay for that matter. But it was a classic. It was a career match for both guys. Bra-f'n-vo! And I still think Tanahashi/Naito deserves to be in the same conversation.

 

When you say joshi shows the emotion strong style doesn't, THAT is a head scratcher to me though. I love me some joshi too, and as far as I'm concerned joshi is just strong style with cuties instead of dudes. There's emotion there, am I crazy?  I mean.. watch Nakamura, watch Omega's facials and reactions... no emotion?  Phah!

 

Hey, I've been watching since the early-mid 80's. I attended original ECW shows (was there for Mass Transit!). I've seen Sunny coked up in person and up close. I got told to fuck off by Perry Saturn when he was hitting on a 15 year old girl.  I've seen Abdullah the Butcher wrestle live (against Cactus Jack!), and I was there the night Razor Ramon won his first IC title. I was at the Survivor Series where they had that multi-Doink match that Lawler no-showed when he was accused of statutory rape. I traded tapes and collected Apter mags and watched BOTH shows through the Monday Nigh Wars, AND Thunder. And Shotgun Saturday Night and Sunday Night Heat.  I tuned into TBS on Saturday Nights and ordered the When Worlds Collide PPV.  I own four lucha masks, including a Pentagon and a Drago one. One , a generic red with blue trim one, was given to me by a friend who has family in Mexico and goes there regularly.  

 

There, now we've both established our Mark Credentials.   :)

post #16128 of 16167

Yeah I'm not really looking for a he said/she said kind of spiel here either, also no real pressure on the whole lucha front, just do what you do whenever it feels good...hobbyist ennui is very real thing so pace yourself my friend.  As for the whole Joshi/Puro conundrum I’ll be the first to admit my problems with the style are completely personal and is something I’m still trying to overcome to this day and is the topic for a heated debate that quite frankly I’m too tired to wage anymore.

 

Let’s just say it involves a certain He Who Must Not Be Named and the fallout from concussive trauma, so when I see people like Shibata literally trying to crack their opponents skull open night after night it just makes my blood boil. Also Puro seems to me to suffer the same fate as anime in that the fans who are convinced of their own superiority denigrated the genre for neophytes & veterans alike more than they will ever know.

 

Not that I’m pointing fingers here, for crying out loud I still have fansubbed VCD’s of Space Adventure Cobra & Giant Gorg in my possession. Also for some weird reason I just find Joshi more palpable, not just that but American women’s wrestling as well. God talk about a denigrated subject I could go on and on about Sherri Martel, Judy Martin & Wendi Richter and all the others from the 80’s that get no love today. Hell I used to watched GLOW religiously as a kid.

 

Also, I don't know if you ever heard of the following expression of if I'm just a lone weirdo for voicing this but it goes along the lines of...“a man can only hurt a woman's body, it takes another woman to truly break her spirit.” Or as my uncle Herman used to put it when he took me to matches back in the day, “When two men wrestle they’re just tickling each others ego, when two women go at it those bitches want to kill each other!”

 

You see I don’t actually hate Puro, my collection of M-Pro & FMW comps will attest to that. It’s just the myth of pure sports build one true wayism that sticks in my craw so. I hope this clears things up a little.


Edited by Cheepnis - 1/7/17 at 10:30pm
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-1 point to Cheepnis for the unexpected heel turn to Puro and Joshi, but +1 for the just as unexpected and immediate technico turn back to Lucha.

 

Anjin continues his aloof and apathetic strategy.  It doesn't faze Cheepnis, but it makes the fangirls swoon.  He's just so coooool.  ANJIN!  NOTICE ME SENPAI!

 

So...

 

Thats 2 and 0 to Cheepnis.  WINNER!

 

____________________________________________

 

Man, that bout was way overhyped.  The promoter should be fired.  I want a refund.

post #16130 of 16167

Damn it CD quit fanning the embers, wait...does this mean we have to go on youtube now for a disappointing tell all shoot vid that are all the rage now?

post #16131 of 16167

Hey why are you dragging me into this?  I only shoot from the hip if I get paid for it.
 

***EDIT***

 

Whoop, just read the above posts in more detail, and the joke I posted seemed in bad taste.  DELETE!

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Speaking of deletion has anyone been keeping up with the Broken Matt Hardy Saga, god that angle is carny as f*ck and I love it for it, must be the redneck in me.  TNA is a nuclear cockroach by now but I tolerate them just for the Hardy's alone...that and Rosemary.

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Speaking of deletion has anyone been keeping up with the Broken Matt Hardy Saga, god that angle is carny as f*ck and I love it for it, must be the redneck in me.  TNA is a nuclear cockroach by now but I tolerate them just for the Hardy's alone...that and Rosemary.


I don't know whether to hate TNA or respect the Hardys for getting a professional company to pay them money to film a segment that aired on national television with they set fire to a table to release Nero's deleted essence back to him and then a volcano explodes to tell Matt he's having a kid.

 

I think my IQ dropped five points just typing that

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Ambrose cutting the best promo of his life.

 

# BestShieldMember.  

post #16135 of 16167

TOTAL

 

NONSTOP

 

DRUG INFUSED BOOKED

 

PRE TAPED SEGMENTS

 

This... is Impact mehTNA

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I swear to god if we don't get a Dean & Renee match vs. the Miz and Maryse at the next PPV in the best Jimmy Garvin/Sunshine/Precious vein I'll explode...or just be really, really disappointed. I need more wrestling power couples in my life damn it, why did they have to fumble Rusev and Lana so spectacularly? Granted their still great but only because they put in double the effort despite the piss poor handling.

 

I’ve been watching Raw on repeats lately but I’ve been catching Smackdown live when I can. It’s just the better booked show in my opinion with actual characters allowed to evolved, at times it really does seem like an old territory style fed.  These days I take my graces where I find 'em.

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I spent the day laid up with a sinus infection, and watching Wrestle Kingdom 11. So it wasn't a totally shitty day.
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Omega vs Okada was stinkin great, I don't think it was the holy shit greatest match of all time that I think everyone's built it up to be but it was still a really great match. Also enjoyed Naito vs Tanahashi on the show.

Tbh I didn't want Dean to win the IC title from the Miz. I never wanted the Miz to win the title from Dolph, I thought Dolph deserved to win the rivalry and have a pretty good rub with the strap but that wasn't meant to be I guess.

Love Dean, but I would have rather had then try to build him up as Smackdowns potential Rumble winner than throw him in the IC picture.

A part of me was pulling for Heath Slater to get a go at Miz for the IC title. He's really over and has had a great turn around on Smackdown and he and Miz could have a good rivalry.
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I'm guessing they want to keep Dean relatively free of major entanglements in case they decide to do a Shield thing at Mania. Just my intuition though, not really basing it on anything in particular....

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 Bash at the beach, maybe?

 

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Post script - This is also where I bemoan the lack of Lucha knowledge if not available footage because if more people were aware of hidden legends like Negro Casas or even Sangre Chicana it would seriously cause a reevaluation of everyone’s top ten if not the moveset of half the workers plying their trade today. But I’m not looking to start that kind of pissing match here, I just wish for more people to talk to about one of my greatest passions is all.

 

Is Negro Casas really hidden thou? He's in the WO HoF.

 

Volador Jr, now there's a guy not getting his dues in the wider wrestling world. 

post #16142 of 16167
According to Meltzer, the Hall of Fame class of 2017 so far:

DDP
Natural Disasters
IRS
William Regal
Christian
Ravishing Rick Rude

It's rumored Taker will be headliner, but they say that every year.

Nothing against Christian, but HOF? Maybe as a team with Edge, but his singles runs in the company just aren't HOF material.

Natural Disasters probably doesn't belong either.
post #16143 of 16167

I really like Christian but I agree with you, his singles runs were average at best.  IRS probably shouldn't be there either.

 

A guy who most definitely belongs is William Regal.  There's someone who has devoted their entire life to pro-wrestling and could work with anyone.

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Christian as a singles has had a great career. 2 time world champion, 2 time ecw champion, 4 time intercontinental champion. He's a grand slam champion and a hell of a wrestler in his own right.

His series with Orton was phenomenal and vastly over looked in a time where everything was 'PUNK PUNK PUNK' he deserves it imo.
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Outside of the big tag team revival centered around E&C, Dudleys and Hardy's... I struggle to think of any lasting, memorable points of his WWE runs.  Sure he my have held gold, but that's not enough to be HoF worthy IMHO.  

 

Again, I don't dislike Christian. He was always just a player in other people's stories for the most part.

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IRS is on that list and we're questioning Christian's validity?

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No one wants to get audited!

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Kudos on Rude and Regal being included, at least.  Both could have and should have been bigger stars then they ended up being.  

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Outside of the big tag team revival centered around E&C, Dudleys and Hardy's... I struggle to think of any lasting, memorable points of his WWE runs.  Sure he my have held gold, but that's not enough to be HoF worthy IMHO.  

 

Again, I don't dislike Christian. He was always just a player in other people's stories for the most part.

 

Eh, if they can induct Koko B. Ware.  Never worked a main event.  Never worked a major feud with a top star.  Never won a title or even really challenged for a major one on WWF TV. Never won a match on a WWF pay-per-view.  Often worked opening match. There really doesn't seem to be some "cream of the crop" criteria for HOF induction. 

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Anyone watch the UK tournament?  I really enjoyed it a lot.  Sure, the wrestlers were clearly all told to tone it down a bit, so none of them put on the kind of matches they typically do in RevPro, Progress and ICW... but for a WWE branded show it was really cool to see the focal point being the WRESTLING. 

 

HHH's projects, even when they don't mean much to the product overall, are usually more fun to watch than Vince's stuff.  Say what you want about HHH, but the man's ideas for pro wrestling are infinitely less condescending than the shite Vinnie gets off on.  

 

It looks like they'll be doing an Asian title (maybe just Japanese?), and a Mexican title.  If they do, I'd like to see the WORLD Champion travel between the territories and defend against the local champions from time to time.  

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