Wrestling Discussion Thread (WWE, TNA, ECW, WCW, etc.) - Page 2

DJ hippie im with you on the no count out and no dq rule, as for the rest of it I think you pretty much echoed what I said.

I do have some comments on the subjects above, but I thought this took precedent (precedence?):

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For me, TNA is what WCW would be today if it had never been bought and sold to a smaller company. Very good wrestling with storylines that run in circles.

As for Monty Brown and Killings, if they can get out and want to be on Heat then all the best. There is no way Killings is anything more than a high profile jobber. Monty Brown could have mid-card success, but its very rare for a guy to come in from another promotion and be successful.

Brown would be interesting, because he'd essentially be acting as a test balloon to see how well TNA-grown stars would fare if they decided to jump. I could see Vince treating him a lot better than most would think, if only to stick it to TNA.

Murrow, while I agree with you line of reasoning, saying "Hey look what we can do with this guy," McMahon likes to do it using his gimmicks. That would leave an over guy like Brown having to pick up a new gimmick, which is probably going to be lame (i.e. a tag team with Shelton).

Actually a tag team with Shelton would be pretty cool.

There's that possibility. There's also the possibility that Vince'd get all combative, look at Brown and say "we'll show those upstart assholes how to push this guy!" and get behind him from day one. He's a fickle guy.

If Shelton and Brown were to tag together I gurantee black power salutes would be involved.

When I first wrote it, I thought the same thing, maybe as a couple of super-cocky athletes, with Monty handling the mic, but then I thought of this:

But a new team that had the same style as Harlem Heat would be awesome.

(Yes, Yes, Yes. No, No, No.)

I don't think anyone is going to that extreme at this point so let's not throw a Baba label on everyone who has an opinion. And I think others clarified what I meant about the Extreme Rules Matches in that it's lame to have one specific match pointed out as THE extreme rules match in a company called EXTREME championship wrestling. They can still only do one "extreme" match a week, just don't point it out like they do and have the rest of the matches supply good workrate and NO dq's or countouts as others expressed.

It's not that I want this ECW to be the same as the old one, but some things could be done in the spirit of the old ECW such as threeway dances involving TWO pins not one as WWE has been doing forever. Again don't get me wrong, ECW is moving in a good direction and I am enjoying a large part of it, but there's just a few things I'd like to see changed and if I can't discuss that here then where can I?

For those discussing Monty Brown and Killings I too thought the first thing Vince would do is stick them with Shelton in a very deplorable "afro-centric" gimmick. Vince is so blatantly racist in some of his gimmicks that I'm surprised the NAACP hasn't taken him to task for his portrayal of black men. It's disgusting that a guy like Ron Simmons had to go by Farooq, the man was a WORLD CHAMPION.

I do have a question for all, How old is Batista actually?? I have heard everywhere from 30 to 45 and I have no clue, plus my wife wants to know. :-)

He's 40, or thereabouts.

And I think Vince has gotten the racism out of his system again for the near future. The Playa's Club was only a little while ago, and they haven't gone there with Shelton yet. If Brown formed a tag team with Benjamin they're more likely to get Coach as a manager than become Nation 2.0.

I don't know Vince loses him some "controversy."

(As an aside, wwECW is a term I've seen all over in columns.)

I just hope whatever they book Brown as they don't let him yell "Poooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooounce" it's the only thing about him that irks me. Of course that's if he ends up in WWE anyway.

Anybody think something is up with sting dropping the "crow" sting mask several times in that Video montage from TNA? Please tell me he's not gonna go back to surfer Sting.

I can't picture Monty Brown being anything more than a midcard wrestler if he was on RAW. However, if he went to SmackDown I could see him starting off as a midcard wrestler but moving his way up and if he were to go to ECW he'd dominate right away.

Not a criticism, I just think we should try and aim for a nickname free wrestling thread. Lest we start adding tard to every noun we disagree with.

I see what you're saying but the WWECW thing is all over not just here so I'm sure it wasn't anything like Baba. Also I say anyone that adds Mc to the front of ANY word where it doesn't belong, or says wwe-tards instead of retard should get banned as well. :-)

And Martian I bet you're spot on even if you were joking. But if "crow" sting doesn't draw I doubt "old man Stevie B" will either. That's what peeves me about TNA, they have people who could draw but would rather let oldtimers have topspots. I do however enjoy pretty much 90% of what TNA does so I can't complain to much.

How about "retired and not here tonight" Sting. The shit end of it all is that Steve Broden from all that I've read is a pretty stand-up guy who tries, but also isn't dumb enough to turn down a good contract. So its tought to bash on him.

As for TNA, the wrestling is pretty-good, sometimes its chain-wrestling with a pause to say "hey look, were chain-wrestling" and a band-box ring, but their storylines go no where. I mean its pro-wrestling, their needs to be a story.

I was a huge Sting fan when I was eight, but that was fourteen-years ago. I'm sure he's a nice guy, but I'd rather see Samoa Joe or AJ Styles going for the world title.

I don't think Sting's that bad in the ring right now. He's still pretty decent and I'd like to see him take the belt off of Jarrett and drop it Christian. This would put Christian over as the top heel of the company until he eventually drops it to Joe.

I don't see where calling it WWECW is anywhere near the "Mc" everything that baba added.....and Baba didn't invent the term.....Most every wrestling website and message board refers to this company as WWECW.....it's not a insult.....it's not a babaism.....it is what it is.....The wwe version of extreme championship wrestling

As for sting.....it's over....he needs to let it go.....I was a huge fan of the crow wrestler sting but part of what made that gimmick work was the fact that he hardly spoke for a year......he hung out in the rafters, dropped down into the ring and cleaned house....But as soon as he started talking again he was doing the old "surfer" sting stuff and those two gimmicks just don't mesh well.....for me that gimmick was dead the moment he joined the wolfpac.

Kurt Angle granted an early release due to personal issues.

Fuck.

I really hope the Kurt can get whatever problems he has worked out.

Kurt Angle is gone? Sounds like great news for TNA, if this is real.

Man Kurt must have some fucked up stuff going on. Either that or he quit and they don't wan't the world thinking they lost the best wrestler they have(imho) due to their own incompetence Of course I've been reading a lot of conspiracy threads today so take that last part with a grain of salt. :-)

How is this great news for TNA.....Kurt is in really bad shape.....his neck is a mess.....his marrage is a mess....the guy needs to take some serious time off......and i'm sure there was a serious no compete clause added.

Plus there is this sentence.

"WWE looks forward to establishing a new relationship with Kurt in the near future."

There is no question that TNA would probably be better for Kurt personally.....Less travel means less of a workload......but don't count on seeing him in TNA any time soon.

There is NO WAY that Kurt will land in TNA. As said above, his has a bunch of injuries, there are way too many rumors of drug problems and his family is a mess. He needs the time off. Just like Stone Cold leaving for awhile, hoepfully Kurt sorts things out.

As for SD! I feel bad for Vicki Guerrero, horrible. And I guess Kid Kash is back.

As for Sting, his matches haven't been great since his return. I don't care if he and Jarrett feud, but it shouldn't be for a title. Leave that for the future talent, not the past.

EDIT: Jimmy "Wang" Yang just cut a promo saying "There's nothing yellow about me. I'm just a little red, a redneck." A guess Vince couldn't stay away from race for too long.

I know he's banged up and this was probably the WWE's decision to release him more than it was Kurt Angle's decision just to walk away. I think Angle still wants to "go" in the ring but the WWE won't let him. TNA won't work him nearly as much as the WWE and they'd probably offer him a pretty good deal. Again, this is only if Angle still insists on wrestling. He's too banged up to even try the UFC but going to TNA or Japan seems realistic.

According to Dave Meltzer, Kurt Angle was fired. So it wasn't like both Angle and the WWE agreed to part ways.

http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/....asp?aID=17197

As for Sting... I'd like to see him go to the WWE even if it's just like Bret Hart did only to get a DVD made for him.

When I was looking through some old tapes of Nitro yesterday I found one where Sting had just started changing into "The Crow" gimmick. He was sitting in the rafters and Jeff Jarrett (who was part of the 4 Horsemen) said something about Sting. So Jarrett's in the ring and Sting comes out through the crowd and takes Jarrett out in like 2 seconds. It was funny because nowadays Jarrett's the world champ and Sting's jobbing to him. But 10 years ago a match between them wouldn't have gone more than a minute with Jarrett jobbing.

I don't think Angle's career is over......But I think it will be at least a year before we see him again.

But He really doesn't have anything else to prove....The way TNA is being booked right now he'll just end up being to them what Bret was to wcw....If he was smart with him money I can see him just walking away for a while.

I don't think it was that messed up with the nWo and nWo Wolfpac. But yeah the LWO and OWN (One Warrior Nation) ruined it. The Wolfpac was very over with the crowd and probably as popular as DX.

DX was way more popular than the wolfpac.......It was ok when the nWo split into two groups......but by the time the sliver and black nWo appeared it was pretty much over.

In 1998, WCW was still just as popular as the WWF. Just watch some of the old Nitros from back then The Wolfpac got huge pops from the crowd. I'm not saying they were more popular than DX but for a while The Wolfpac was right up there.

WCW crowds in '98 were heavily papered, and the pops heavily sweetened. WCW was starting to fall apart by mid-late '98, with Jericho relegated to jobbing to Bobby Duncum Jr. while Nash booked himself to end Goldberg's streak. It was fast becoming a disaster zone, and getting its ass handed to itself in the ratings.

And if TNA swoop in and snap up Angle, they're just as crass and callous as Vince could ever be. His body is falling apart, his personal life is a mess and he's got a serious painkiller addiction. Booking him as a wrestler would be horribly irresponsible.

OK, so... the "belts" that all the wrestlers carry cannot be referred to as the objects they actually are, because it'd remind people of when wrestling was more than sports-entertainment? Or because it'd remind them of a time when Vince and his cadre of familial relations weren't on TV all the time?

fucking hell......I think that is without question the dumbest thing that Vince has ever done......even surpassing WBF and XFL.

Do any of you think it would be a good idea to bring back WCW? Since they've brought back ECW why not turn SmackDown into a WCW show? They wouldn't have to change the rosters that much because guys like Booker T, Regal, Finlay, Mysterio, Benoit are already there. They can keep guys like Lashley, Kennedy, Sylvestor Turkay, Elijah Burke, Paul London and Brian Kendrick. Just send Batista, Undertaker and Matt Hardy to RAW. Bring back Eric Bischoff and put him in charge of WCW and you've got WWE, ECW and WCW. I'm sure they can sign guys like DDP, Chuck Palumbo, Sean O'Haire, Mark Jindrak, Norman Smiley, Kidman, etc. If booked right, do you think it would work out?

I'll keep this real short.

I can't fucking believe Kurt Angle has been released by WWE.

What are they supposed to call it? The championship bling?

He wants them called Titles or the world title or wwe title. I do think he's losing his mind though. Also about WCW coming back in short, NO. To many fans today are hip to wwe being the only company and when Vince is the only boss then all shows will reflect his wants and changing the name of any of the shows isn't going to change that. Not in my opinion anyway. I'd like for TNA to get its shit together and become a wrestling power on par with WWE(exposure and promotion wise that is) and force McMahon to change some of his ways. That'd be my hope anyway.

They brought back WcW.......it's called TNA.



But seriously........No......because most of the names your mentioning have zero connection to wcw.

the name WcW doesn't hold the same kind of relevance as the ECW does.....ECW embodies everything that people loved about wrestling in the 90's......WcW embodies everything that was wrong about wrestling in the 90's....Yes the beginning of the nWo angle was great......the Hogan/Sting feud was classic(although it featured little to no wrestling in it for a year) but soon we got the out of control contracts......the creative control.....the old guys keeping the young and upcoming stars down....the mismanagement of the company.

Plus Vince tried to make wcw a seperate brand and it failed before they could even get a house show schedule going.....wwf fans hated wcw.....I still think whoever the idiot was that thought it was a good idea to give wcw the final 15 minutes of raw and have Booker T and Buff Bagwell as a main event needs to be shot.....that trainwreck of a match killed any chance of WcW working.....It also didn't help that the main stars of wcw at that time sat at home being paid......and then by the time alot of those guys(Hall and Nash, Steiner, Goldberg) showed up in wwe no one gave a shit about wcw anymore.

It's been 6 years.......few care about WcW anymore......you didn't see WWE fans chanting "WCW" at raw......it's dead.......and like Fred Gwynne once said....."Dead is better"

Seriously, ECW was good but it's overrated. They had their cult following of hardcore fans but it wasn't like it was the biggest thing in wrestling in the 90's. The nWo, Goldberg, Austin, DX, The Rock and the WWF during the Attitude Era were the "big" things in wrestling in the 90's. Did ECW put on great matches? Sure. I'm not going to deny that. ECW was awesome. But to say it was the best thing about wrestling in the 90's... that's too much.

Not really, not to some people it isn't. A whole lot of people thought Goldberg was shit from day one, and honestly some people thought WCW was shit as well. So I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to say that some thought ECW was the best thing in the 90's. You can disagree but that's because it's all up to ones personal taste.

Where exactly in that post did I say that ECW was "THE BEST"

Oh and your quote of "ECW was good but it's overrated" ranks right up there with your comments about how funny it was for David Arquette to win the WcW title.

Not Sure

No matter how we spin it, Kurt Angle leaving is a bad thing. If I can, I had no beef with Baba either and he does have a welath of knowledge. There are good reason to have differences, but if they are done right, they can lead to grat things.

Oh it true.....It's damn true.

But it's for the best.......I would rather Kurt be gone from the wwe for a year than have to sit through Kurt Angle Tribute episodes of raw/Smackdown/ECW

If TNA could redeem themselves, hell, Christian and Rhino are not so bad. At least this was entertaining.

I haven't watched TNA in weeks.....I wish they could get it together but it just seems like everytime they are about to do that they pull a total wcw move and go right back to step one.

I said ECW had a cult following of hardcore fans who thought it was great. I didn't deny that.

Even though some people thought it was shit doesn't take away from the fact that they were very popular in the 90's. It doesn't take away that Goldberg/Hogan drew 36,000 people at the Georgia Dome and beat RAW in the ratings. Or what about the replay of the match between Goldberg/DDP from Halloween Havoc '98 getting a 7.2 in the ratings? Yeah that Goldberg was "shit". Sure, not everyone liked him but you can't say he wasn't popular. But my point was that Goldberg was more popular in the 90's than ECW was.

Again, I never said that no one thought it was the greatest thing about wrestling in the 90's. I just said, in my opinion that it's overrated by their hardcore fans. It was good but not great and again that's my opinion. Some people thought it was the best wrestling promotion in the 90's. But it wasn't the most popular and it wasn't as big as the WWF or WCW and there's no denying that.


I didn't say that you said ECW was "the best". But I was talking about your quote here...

David Arquette winning the title was funny, imo. He pinned Eric Bischoff for the belt not a real wrestler. It was treated as a complete joke. He even got Kurt Russell and Courtney Cox to film a segment for Nitro on the set of 3,000 Miles to Graceland. It was done to get people talking about WCW.

But it didn't. It was a stupid idea that devalued what was once considered the ultimate accolade a wrestler can receive for his work.

The reason bringing back WCW is just a dumb idea is that, in terms of mission statements, it was exactly the same as WWE: Sports entertainment crossed with wrestling. It was the same ethos. ECW is a completely different approach topro wrestling. Bringing back WCW would only amount to a needless name-change for one of the two-hour shows, as almost all of WCW's old stars are either with the company or have been in the past few years. Who do you bring back? How do you differentiate it from Raw? Moreover, after five years off TV and even longer since the WCW product was worth a damn, who would come rushing back to watch a reheated version? It's a pointless exercise, and it wouldn't get any old fans watching.